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Post by Lonnie on Mar 17, 2010 9:49:01 GMT -5
My, my feel the anger. Direct has always been a "Direct" path with no post processing which EQs are. If you want to play SACDs, MCPCM or anything else and use the EQs then run it in its native mode or any of the other supported modes for the given input type. Direct was always there to give you the purest path if you want to use it. Lonnie, I think owners of the UMC-1 have a right to be frustrated with the issues with the UMC-1. I have spent several hours with my UMC-1 trying to get MCH PCM from my Panasonic BD30. I could not get it to work no matter what settings I ultilized. That is frustrating to me as I should be spending that time watching movies or listening to music not trouble shooting the UMC-1. I put my 886 back in my system and I get MCH PCM fine in its native form with the use of Audyssey and bass management options. Going through the options in the menu of the 886 for Multich PCM is an option for Multch which is maybe an option that could be added to the UMC-1. I feel MCH PCM is a format such as DTS-MA and TrueHD. So I feel that owners of the UMC-1 should be able to decode that format and be able to ulitilize all the Emo-Q and bass management options without having to use DD PLII or one of the DSP options. I'm sure someone will say "if you do not like the UMC-1 then return it" which is not what I want to do as I feel the UMC-1 has excellent SQ. But if issues like the one with MCH PCM are not corrected a feature that is on every other AVR/prepro I have owned recently then I will most likely return the UMC-1. Personally I have not gotten angry over this as I feel that this is the way Emotiva decided to configure the UMC-1. Not a big deal but if a number of UMC-1 owners or prespective owners feel the same way then Emotiva might want to consider adding an option to the MCH PCM mode. Bill Thank you for your post and right now I am getting clarification from the code guys on exactly what is active and not when in Direct mode for HDMI sources. I know exactly how it working for normal Digital sources and analog sources, but I want to follow up on the HDMI and find out, so I will post additional info when I get it. In regards to the Multi-channel PCM on your unit. I have a Panasonic BD-65 and it ports out Multi-PCM and the UMC reads it as muti-pcm with no issues. It has always worked from day one. In your case when you press the Info button for hte UMC what does it show you? Does it show a multi-pcm or 2 channel pcm? This will tell you what your Panasonic is sending to the processor. If it shows 2 channel pcm, then the Panasonic is not sending Multi-pcm and a setting within the Panasonic needs to be changed. If it is showing Multi-pcm but you are only getting 2 channel then we need to change one of hte settings in the UMC. Just let me know what you find out.  |
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Post by billmac on Mar 17, 2010 10:12:42 GMT -5
Thank you for your post and right now I am getting clarification from the code guys on exactly what is active and not when in Direct mode for HDMI sources. I know exactly how it working for normal Digital sources and analog sources, but I want to follow up on the HDMI and find out, so I will post additional info when I get it. In regards to the Multi-channel PCM on your unit. I have a Panasonic BD-65 and it ports out Multi-PCM and the UMC reads it as muti-pcm with no issues. It has always worked from day one. In your case when you press the Info button for hte UMC what does it show you? Does it show a multi-pcm or 2 channel pcm? This will tell you what your Panasonic is sending to the processor. If it shows 2 channel pcm, then the Panasonic is not sending Multi-pcm and a setting within the Panasonic needs to be changed. If it is showing Multi-pcm but you are only getting 2 channel then we need to change one of hte settings in the UMC. Just let me know what you find out. Lonnie, Thanks for your quick response . I tried every setting with both the UMC-1 and my BD30. When I put my 886 back in my system I tried the two discs I have with MCH PCM (Casino Royale and The Presitige) and it played MCH PCM fine with no setting changes to the BD30 after I tried it with the UMC-1. I tried the Info button and it showed 2 CH PCM 48kHz 2.0. So unless I have a setting set incorrectly with the UMC-1 it has to be an issue with the UMC-1. The setup menu of the UMC-1 is very straight forward so I am not sure what other setting could be wrong. When I change the settings for MCH (Direct, Stereo, PLIIx and DSP) they all show on the UMC-1s display but I am still only getting 2 CH PCM. Seeing others posting that they are having issues as well indicates that my problem is not an isolated one. Bill |
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Post by DYohn on Mar 17, 2010 10:22:08 GMT -5
That's simply incorrect. "Direct" is ONE way the unit can handle PCM. If you don't own one yet I suggest you download the owners manual from the main Emotiva product page and look it up. Can you please answer post #90 then? What's post #90? Lonnie is in this thread now and he is the proper one to answer your questions. Ask him. Peace. |
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Post by sawdust on Mar 17, 2010 10:47:18 GMT -5
Thank you for your post and right now I am getting clarification from the code guys on exactly what is active and not when in Direct mode for HDMI sources. I know exactly how it working for normal Digital sources and analog sources, but I want to follow up on the HDMI and find out, so I will post additional info when I get it. In regards to the Multi-channel PCM on your unit. I have a Panasonic BD-65 and it ports out Multi-PCM and the UMC reads it as muti-pcm with no issues. It has always worked from day one. In your case when you press the Info button for hte UMC what does it show you? Does it show a multi-pcm or 2 channel pcm? This will tell you what your Panasonic is sending to the processor. If it shows 2 channel pcm, then the Panasonic is not sending Multi-pcm and a setting within the Panasonic needs to be changed. If it is showing Multi-pcm but you are only getting 2 channel then we need to change one of hte settings in the UMC. Just let me know what you find out. Lonnie, Thanks for your quick response . I tried every setting with both the UMC-1 and my BD30. When I put my 886 back in my system I tried the two discs I have with MCH PCM (Casino Royale and The Presitige) and it played MCH PCM fine with no setting changes to the BD30 after I tried it with the UMC-1. I tried the Info button and it showed 2 CH PCM 48kHz 2.0. So unless I have a setting set incorrectly with the UMC-1 it has to be an issue with the UMC-1. The setup menu of the UMC-1 is very straight forward so I am not sure what other setting could be wrong. When I change the settings for MCH (Direct, Stereo, PLIIx and DSP) they all show on the UMC-1s display but I am still only getting 2 CH PCM. Seeing others posting that they are having issues as well indicates that my problem is not an isolated one. Bill Bill, just for arguments sake, can you check this out:  This is from the BD30 users manual. I know you said that the 886 worked right out of gate, but can't hurt to check. Never mind. I see you are using hdmi from another post. |
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Post by broncsrule21 on Mar 17, 2010 10:57:48 GMT -5
Can't understand why someone would want anything else when listening to music... Have you ever listened to music in your car? Do you have just 2 speakers? BTW I would vote for both options, IF possible. If not possible 2 channel and use the other multichannel solutions that the UMC-1 does have. |
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Post by atczero on Mar 17, 2010 11:42:08 GMT -5
Thank you for your post and right now I am getting clarification from the code guys on exactly what is active and not when in Direct mode for HDMI sources. I know exactly how it working for normal Digital sources and analog sources, but I want to follow up on the HDMI and find out, so I will post additional info when I get it. In regards to the Multi-channel PCM on your unit. I have a Panasonic BD-65 and it ports out Multi-PCM and the UMC reads it as muti-pcm with no issues. It has always worked from day one. In your case when you press the Info button for hte UMC what does it show you? Does it show a multi-pcm or 2 channel pcm? This will tell you what your Panasonic is sending to the processor. If it shows 2 channel pcm, then the Panasonic is not sending Multi-pcm and a setting within the Panasonic needs to be changed. If it is showing Multi-pcm but you are only getting 2 channel then we need to change one of hte settings in the UMC. Just let me know what you find out. Lonnie, Thanks for chiming in. Unlike Billmac...I AM receiving Multichannel PCM correctly over HDMI EXCEPT I have to use Direct mode and lose my eq and bass management, or PLIIx and the sound is not right, or stereo and get just 2 channels. What mode does your UMC-1 show when you say it is working correctly and do you still have the ability to use your bass management and EQ settings?? Thanks, Brent |
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Post by red5ive on Mar 17, 2010 11:56:36 GMT -5
Lonnie, I think owners of the UMC-1 have a right to be frustrated with the issues with the UMC-1. I have spent several hours with my UMC-1 trying to get MCH PCM from my Panasonic BD30. I could not get it to work no matter what settings I ultilized. That is frustrating to me as I should be spending that time watching movies or listening to music not trouble shooting the UMC-1. I put my 886 back in my system and I get MCH PCM fine in its native form with the use of Audyssey and bass management options. Going through the options in the menu of the 886 for Multich PCM is an option for Multch which is maybe an option that could be added to the UMC-1. I feel MCH PCM is a format such as DTS-MA and TrueHD. So I feel that owners of the UMC-1 should be able to decode that format and be able to ulitilize all the Emo-Q and bass management options without having to use DD PLII or one of the DSP options. I'm sure someone will say "if you do not like the UMC-1 then return it" which is not what I want to do as I feel the UMC-1 has excellent SQ. But if issues like the one with MCH PCM are not corrected a feature that is on every other AVR/prepro I have owned recently then I will most likely return the UMC-1. Personally I have not gotten angry over this as I feel that this is the way Emotiva decided to configure the UMC-1. Not a big deal but if a number of UMC-1 owners or prespective owners feel the same way then Emotiva might want to consider adding an option to the MCH PCM mode. Bill Thank you for your post and right now I am getting clarification from the code guys on exactly what is active and not when in Direct mode for HDMI sources. I know exactly how it working for normal Digital sources and analog sources, but I want to follow up on the HDMI and find out, so I will post additional info when I get it. In regards to the Multi-channel PCM on your unit. I have a Panasonic BD-65 and it ports out Multi-PCM and the UMC reads it as muti-pcm with no issues. It has always worked from day one. In your case when you press the Info button for hte UMC what does it show you? Does it show a multi-pcm or 2 channel pcm? This will tell you what your Panasonic is sending to the processor. If it shows 2 channel pcm, then the Panasonic is not sending Multi-pcm and a setting within the Panasonic needs to be changed. If it is showing Multi-pcm but you are only getting 2 channel then we need to change one of hte settings in the UMC. Just let me know what you find out. Hi Lonnie, I'm not sure if this is what you're trying to verify with the "code guys". Therefore, sorry if it's a rehash, but I just wanted to be sure the concern is clear. While I'm not having any issue getting Multi-CH PCM from my blu-ray player, one of the other issues Bill is trying to address is that there is no Multi-CH post-processing option for PCM 5.1/7.1 encoded blu-rays other than PLIIx and DSP. The UMC-1 defaults to Direct mode with Multi-CH PCM material, which obviously bypasses post-processing such as bass management. A lot of earlier Disney and Sony blu-ray titles were encoded in Multi-CH PCM format (not DTS HD MA or Dolby TrueHD). Titles such as Casino Royale (initial release), Pirates of the Caribbean, and Underworld use this format. What we're looking for is some type of multi-channel post-processing of the Multi-CH PCM format, the same as DTS HD MA and Dolby TrueHD. Prior to the 2-CH PCM only change with the first firmware release, Multi-CH Stereo would apply post-processing without having to engage DPLIIx or a DSP option, which either IMO are not doing the format any justice. I'd like to see the Multi-CH Stereo option added back in conjunction with 2-CH Stereo, or perhaps a "Mode" for Multi-CH PCM the same as DTS HD MA or Dolby TrueHD. Just my 2 cents. Thanks! |
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Post by marius on Mar 17, 2010 13:13:12 GMT -5
back when i had a receiver capable of doing both direct stereo and 7-channel stereo, I listened to direct stereo when i'm alone sitting in the sweet spot but changed the mode to all channel stereo when i had guests over. It's nice to have the option.
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Post by LCSeminole on Mar 17, 2010 17:09:46 GMT -5
Lonnie has been kind enough to participate in this thread and answer questions as well as research problems. I've deleted the car stereo posts so that all members participating in this thread don't have to weed through the "off topic" conversations going on. If you want to talk car stereo, try the "Green Room" or PM each other. Thanks for everyones cooperation. Now back on topic please!!!  |
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Post by Mike Ronesia on Mar 17, 2010 17:17:41 GMT -5
Back on topic please!!! Thank you! |
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Post by DYohn on Mar 17, 2010 17:26:56 GMT -5
Back on topic please!!! Thank you! Yea, there was some idiot in here talking about all sorts of off-topic crap... oh wait, that was me. Sorry!  |
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Post by solidstate on Mar 17, 2010 18:12:42 GMT -5
I want to chime in with a little Emotiva butt kissing!!!
Really though have you guys ever seen an outfit that will participate with endusers regarding firmware issues in a public forum like this!
What an open classy bunch of ppl at Emo...
I have never ever seen an electronics outfit be so thoughtful and transparent.
You have a fan for life here guys!!!
FOR LIFE!
PS Sorry to be off topic here... Those UPA-1s almost brought tears to my eyes when I heard them! I'm going to test them out at a boutique "high end" audio shop a friend owns with all kinds of speakers. I feel they are going to be shocked! and I intend to joke around about the price... $279 bucks... INCREDIBLE! I'm gunna tell them $1200 as a joke at first... I'm most certain they will not believe it until I give them a URL ROTFL... literally TEARS as I'm not of the economic class to ever afford a mono block rig but thanks to emo just about anyone is! I expect as word gets out it will be the greatest selling Emo product of all time IMHO It really is that good! To take that nice toroid and DC board from XPA and couple it to a modified UPA module with a quazi balanced input board was sure genius to get that absolute most for the best price around. And that fantastic heatsink solution!!! man that darlington prob run at room temp with that thermal solution! It should give DECADES of service! Hat's off to the engineering team on that unit! HAT'S OFF! It will be a legend people! jump on them fast!
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Post by snodog on Mar 17, 2010 18:59:05 GMT -5
Thank you for your post and right now I am getting clarification from the code guys on exactly what is active and not when in Direct mode for HDMI sources. I know exactly how it working for normal Digital sources and analog sources, but I want to follow up on the HDMI and find out, so I will post additional info when I get it. In regards to the Multi-channel PCM on your unit. I have a Panasonic BD-65 and it ports out Multi-PCM and the UMC reads it as muti-pcm with no issues. It has always worked from day one. In your case when you press the Info button for hte UMC what does it show you? Does it show a multi-pcm or 2 channel pcm? This will tell you what your Panasonic is sending to the processor. If it shows 2 channel pcm, then the Panasonic is not sending Multi-pcm and a setting within the Panasonic needs to be changed. If it is showing Multi-pcm but you are only getting 2 channel then we need to change one of hte settings in the UMC. Just let me know what you find out. Hi Lonnie, I'm not sure if this is what you're trying to verify with the "code guys". Therefore, sorry if it's a rehash, but I just wanted to be sure the concern is clear. While I'm not having any issue getting Multi-CH PCM from my blu-ray player, one of the other issues Bill is trying to address is that there is no Multi-CH post-processing option for PCM 5.1/7.1 encoded blu-rays other than PLIIx and DSP. The UMC-1 defaults to Direct mode with Multi-CH PCM material, which obviously bypasses post-processing such as bass management. A lot of earlier Disney and Sony blu-ray titles were encoded in Multi-CH PCM format (not DTS HD MA or Dolby TrueHD). Titles such as Casino Royale (initial release), Pirates of the Caribbean, and Underworld use this format. What we're looking for is some type of multi-channel post-processing of the Multi-CH PCM format, the same as DTS HD MA and Dolby TrueHD. Prior to the 2-CH PCM only change with the first firmware release, Multi-CH Stereo would apply post-processing without having to engage DPLIIx or a DSP option, which either IMO are not doing the format any justice. I'd like to see the Multi-CH Stereo option added back in conjunction with 2-CH Stereo, or perhaps a "Mode" for Multi-CH PCM the same as DTS HD MA or Dolby TrueHD. Just my 2 cents. Thanks! YES this is exactly right redfive. A separate mode that is not only corresponding as a native source. Just something that distributes the sound to all speakers and the user has total EQ and bass management control to drop the rear levels a bit if need be or raise them as liked. IT has nothing to do with direct mode, I dont know why that was even brought up. |
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Post by Spiky on Mar 17, 2010 19:50:47 GMT -5
I want to chime in with a little Emotiva butt kissing!!! Really though have you guys ever seen an outfit that will participate with endusers regarding firmware issues in a public forum like this! Well, yes. But that doesn't change this: |
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Post by red5ive on Mar 17, 2010 19:54:03 GMT -5
IT has nothing to do with direct mode, I dont know why that was even brought up. It was brought up because the other issue billmac is having is that he's not able to get all speakers going on Multi-CH PCM encoded discs, even in Direct mode. If I understand correctly he's getting only 2-channel PCM from his Panasonic BD30, even in Direct Mode. However, without making any changes in the BD30 settings, reconnecting it to his 886, Multi-CH PCM works fine. Thus it seems to be something between the BD30 and the UMC-1. Did I get that right? ;D |
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Post by mick16 on Mar 17, 2010 20:00:06 GMT -5
What we're looking for is some type of multi-channel post-processing of the Multi-CH PCM format, the same as DTS HD MA and Dolby TrueHD. Prior to the 2-CH PCM only change with the first firmware release, Multi-CH Stereo would apply post-processing without having to engage DPLIIx or a DSP option, which either IMO are not doing the format any justice. I'd like to see the Multi-CH Stereo option added back in conjunction with 2-CH Stereo, or perhaps a Mode for Multi-CH PCM the same as DTS HD MA or Dolby TrueHD.
+1 here. This is going to be an issue for every one that has a blu-ray player that cannot pass the audio via bitstream (such as me with the 60GB Fat PS3).
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Post by billmac on Mar 17, 2010 20:10:28 GMT -5
It was brought up because the other issue billmac is having is that he's not able to get all speakers going on Multi-CH PCM encoded discs, even in Direct mode. If I understand correctly he's getting only 2-channel PCM from his Panasonic BD30, even in Direct Mode. However, without making any changes in the BD30 settings, reconnecting it to his 886, Multi-CH PCM works fine. Thus it seems to be something between the BD30 and the UMC-1. Did I get that right? ;D red5ive, Yes you do have the story correct . I had a thought that might explain why I am not getting MCH PCM as well as PS3 owners too. The BD30 does not have any onboard HBR audio decoding and from what I understand the early model PS3 players could not bitstream HBR audio (correct me if I'm wrong  ). Now I wonder if the UMC-1 has issues processing MCH PCM from players that do not have onboard HBR audio capabilities or from players that can not bitstream HBR? I wonder if Emotiva could get their hands on a BD30 or try a player without onboard HBR decoding (Denon 2500 comes to mind). I'd send mine in if they got me a replacement like....... a Oppo BDP-83, just trying to do my part for the team ;D. I could be barking up the wrong tree here but thought it could be a possibility . Bill |
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Post by butcher on Mar 17, 2010 20:26:59 GMT -5
I want to chime in with a little Emotiva butt kissing!!! Really though have you guys ever seen an outfit that will participate with endusers regarding firmware issues in a public forum like this! What an open classy bunch of ppl at Emo... I have never ever seen an electronics outfit be so thoughtful and transparent. You have a fan for life here guys!!! FOR LIFE! PS Sorry to be off topic here... Those UPA-1s almost brought tears to my eyes when I heard them! I'm going to test them out at a boutique "high end" audio shop a friend owns with all kinds of speakers. I feel they are going to be shocked! and I intend to joke around about the price... $279 bucks... INCREDIBLE! I'm gunna tell them $1200 as a joke at first... I'm most certain they will not believe it until I give them a URL ROTFL... literally TEARS as I'm not of the economic class to ever afford a mono block rig but thanks to emo just about anyone is! I expect as word gets out it will be the greatest selling Emo product of all time IMHO It really is that good! To take that nice toroid and DC board from XPA and couple it to a modified UPA module with a quazi balanced input board was sure genius to get that absolute most for the best price around. And that fantastic heatsink solution!!! man that darlington prob run at room temp with that thermal solution! It should give DECADES of service! Hat's off to the engineering team on that unit! HAT'S OFF! It will be a legend people! jump on them fast! Can we get this post removed? I feel myself getting sick  and I feel it has nothing to do with the good info being displayed by others. |
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Post by RayoVac on Mar 17, 2010 20:38:29 GMT -5
I want to chime in with a little Emotiva butt kissing!!! Really though have you guys ever seen an outfit that will participate with endusers regarding firmware issues in a public forum like this! What an open classy bunch of ppl at Emo... I have never ever seen an electronics outfit be so thoughtful and transparent. You have a fan for life here guys!!! FOR LIFE! PS Sorry to be off topic here... Those UPA-1s almost brought tears to my eyes when I heard them! I'm going to test them out at a boutique "high end" audio shop a friend owns with all kinds of speakers. I feel they are going to be shocked! and I intend to joke around about the price... $279 bucks... INCREDIBLE! I'm gunna tell them $1200 as a joke at first... I'm most certain they will not believe it until I give them a URL ROTFL... literally TEARS as I'm not of the economic class to ever afford a mono block rig but thanks to emo just about anyone is! I expect as word gets out it will be the greatest selling Emo product of all time IMHO It really is that good! To take that nice toroid and DC board from XPA and couple it to a modified UPA module with a quazi balanced input board was sure genius to get that absolute most for the best price around. And that fantastic heatsink solution!!! man that darlington prob run at room temp with that thermal solution! It should give DECADES of service! Hat's off to the engineering team on that unit! HAT'S OFF! It will be a legend people! jump on them fast! Can we get this post removed? I feel myself getting sick and I feel it has nothing to do with the good info being displayed by others. +1 Yes... if we are going to keep this thread clean... there is WAAAY to much "off topic" and advertising in the referenced post. |
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Post by snodog on Mar 17, 2010 20:39:36 GMT -5
LOL I have to agree there is no reason to post this here. Solidstate nothing wrong with feeling that way but how about posting in a separate thread. We are trying to get something resolved here that is affecting a lot of people.
Sorry redfive, I missed that bit on billmacs post.
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