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Post by rygher3 on Apr 11, 2010 22:05:04 GMT -5
brax, I'm sorry but your logic seems to fail partially. Saying that it is a "gotta have" does not mean it is the greatest thing since sliced bread. It means that for what it is, where it is priced, and if you are looking for something in that range of a product, it is likely to be an excellent performer. Take this analogy: Say Samsung was to change the price on one of their 32" 720p LCD tvs that normally sells for about 500 to 250. That would be a "gotta have", even though a) its not necessarily the best tv in the world b) its not the cheapest tv in the world.
Has anybody seen any detailed reviews yet because I am quite interested in seeing peoples thoughts on how they sound.
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Post by brax on Apr 12, 2010 8:45:08 GMT -5
If the sub lives up to 90% of it's claimed spec's, I'd call it a best buy in it's class. I would reserve a got to have for a product that score high in all of it's requirements. The one thing the 12 is lacking is low bass output.
This is inherent in the design, even my 18" in a sealed design has the same issue. I get around this by having two subs. Maybe that would be the answer here too,but then you lose the price advantage.
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Post by sinnott on Apr 12, 2010 15:29:20 GMT -5
Say Samsung was to change the price on one of their 32" 720p LCD tvs that normally sells for about 500 to 250. That would be a "gotta have", even though a) its not necessarily the best tv in the world b) its not the cheapest tv in the world. So if Bose lowered the price of their Acoustimass 10 system from $1000 to only $400, would that be a "gotta have"? ;D
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Post by flamingeye on Apr 12, 2010 15:38:49 GMT -5
Only if you ignorant , but I do not think that is a fair comparison
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Post by monkumonku on Apr 12, 2010 16:03:18 GMT -5
Say Samsung was to change the price on one of their 32" 720p LCD tvs that normally sells for about 500 to 250. That would be a "gotta have", even though a) its not necessarily the best tv in the world b) its not the cheapest tv in the world. So if Bose lowered the price of their Acoustimass 10 system from $1000 to only $400, would that be a "gotta have"? ;D The thing has to be good to begin with, though.. so that disqualifies the Bose. ;D
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Post by BillBauman on Apr 13, 2010 11:53:07 GMT -5
I think the "Gotta Have It" rating has been taken out of context. It seems many of the individuals questioning it aren't familiar with Audioholics. Audioholics has always had their first impressions of gear that they've never seen/heard/touched. They said the same about a new Onkyo or Pioneer AVR recently, that wasn't released yet, "Gotta Have It." It's an early impression of how they expect it will perform once it reaches the market. It is not intended to be indicative of a final review or anything like that, it's merely a first impression, and sure, gets people to stop back regularly in anticipation of an upcoming review. Some products get things like "Mildly Interesting" or something like that. As stated several times here, it is based on past experiences with the manufacturer, etc. For regular followers of the magazine, it is no way misleading at all. Of course, for any first timer reading any publication, the subtle nuances of what different sections mean can be confusing or lost out of the context of the regular body of readership.
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Post by monkumonku on Apr 13, 2010 11:58:55 GMT -5
I think the "Gotta Have It" rating has been taken out of context. It seems many of the individuals questioning it aren't familiar with Audioholics. Audioholics has always had their first impressions of gear that they've never seen/heard/touched. They said the same about a new Onkyo or Pioneer AVR recently, that wasn't released yet, "Gotta Have It." It's an early impression of how they expect it will perform once it reaches the market. It is not intended to be indicative of a final review or anything like that, it's merely a first impression, and sure, gets people to stop back regularly in anticipation of an upcoming review. Some products get things like "Mildly Interesting" or something like that. As stated several times here, it is based on past experiences with the manufacturer, etc. For regular followers of the magazine, it is no way misleading at all. Of course, for any first timer reading any publication, the subtle nuances of what different sections mean can be confusing or lost out of the context of the regular body of readership. Thanks for the clarification. Based on the specs and reputation, I can see why they said the new sub is a "must have." I can imagine some of the manufacturers aren't very happy if their product gets a "mildly interesting" or "ho-hum" ranking. ;D I just got a new sub that I am very happy with but I am really interested to read their actual review when released.
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Post by BillBauman on Apr 13, 2010 12:01:53 GMT -5
Thanks for the clarification. Based on the specs and reputation, I can see why they said the new sub is a "must have." I can imagine some of the manufacturers aren't very happy if their product gets a "mildly interesting" or "ho-hum" ranking. ;D I just got a new sub that I am very happy with but I am really interested to read their actual review when released. I think a lot of us are really interested to hear what Audioholics says. I think it's also safe to say that, while they try to be fair and nice, they don't pull punches. They did not exactly gush over the MPS-1, and in fact challenged its power output rating. They published Emotiva's numbers, but stood by their own. I think if the sub doesn't measure up, they're going to tell us.
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Post by artiek on Apr 13, 2010 13:49:19 GMT -5
Which sub did you pick up MonkuMonku? Happy with it?
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Post by Pauly on Apr 13, 2010 16:19:17 GMT -5
Is it the HSU VTF-2 listed in the sig? Or did you replace that?
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Post by monkumonku on Apr 13, 2010 16:36:58 GMT -5
Which sub did you pick up MonkuMonku? Happy with it? Is it the HSU VTF-2 listed in the sig? Or did you replace that? Yes, the new sub is the Hsu VTF-2 Mk 2. I am not an expert on subs but I think it does a great job and was well worth the money. According to Pete Hsu, it goes down to 16 hz -1 db when measured outside. I played a 16 hz tone through it and it shakes the house.. so it isn't something I want to do too loudly or too often. ;D The official specs are very good: down to 18 hz +/- 1 db. It definitely goes deep enough and loud enough for my needs, and it puts out clean, well-defined notes. The first movie I watched after I got it was Dark Knight on Blu Ray. It was stupendous.
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Post by Pauly on Apr 13, 2010 17:25:15 GMT -5
Sweet! I'm running dual Outlaw LFM-1 plus subs, which are basically the same thing as your HSU. I used to run four, but sold two of them to help fund new audio purchases. They are great subs, and I've really enjoyed them. I'm about ready to sell the other two here soon, as I've gotten the bug again, and feel that I need new subs. The Outlaws are great, but I've wanted sealed subs for a while now. Good purchase monku, I'm sure the HSU will please you for a long time. Happy listening.
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Post by husker43 on Apr 13, 2010 18:01:59 GMT -5
Sweet! I'm running dual Outlaw LFM-1 plus subs, which are basically the same thing as your HSU. I used to run four, but sold two of them to help fund new audio purchases. They are great subs, and I've really enjoyed them. I'm about ready to sell the other two here soon, as I've gotten the bug again, and feel that I need new subs. The Outlaws are great, but I've wanted sealed subs for a while now. Good purchase monku, I'm sure the HSU will please you for a long time. Happy listening. Which subs are going to be your next toys Pauly? Emotiva or Rythmik.... just wondering
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Post by monkumonku on Apr 13, 2010 18:10:35 GMT -5
Sweet! I'm running dual Outlaw LFM-1 plus subs, which are basically the same thing as your HSU. I used to run four, but sold two of them to help fund new audio purchases. They are great subs, and I've really enjoyed them. I'm about ready to sell the other two here soon, as I've gotten the bug again, and feel that I need new subs. The Outlaws are great, but I've wanted sealed subs for a while now. Good purchase monku, I'm sure the HSU will please you for a long time. Happy listening. Thanks, Pauly. Of course you never know when upgraditis will hit but I can't imagine wanting to replace the Hsu for a long time - it does the job very well. I think that's a company that sometimes doesn't get the attention it deserves because it just puts out solid performers at good prices without much flash. They don't put out too many new products that get everyone excited. I also have their bookshelf speakers which are pretty darn good, in my opinion!
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Post by Pauly on Apr 13, 2010 18:21:49 GMT -5
Yes, HSU is never respected enough IMO. Great subs at wonderful prices.
husker...I'm just not sure yet. If I have enough patience, I might wait for the ERS subs, but right now, I'm considering dual F15's, Dual Empires, or Dual PC13s. The SVS subs will put me a bit over budget, but my gosh, they would be killer in my 1,900 cubic ft room. So, we'll see. I've been going crazy over this for a month now, and might actually make a decision this weekend. I just need to figure out whether or not I want to wait for the ERS from Emo. AHHh, it never ends!
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Post by BillBauman on Apr 20, 2010 13:04:43 GMT -5
I think the "Gotta Have It" rating has been taken out of context. It seems many of the individuals questioning it aren't familiar with Audioholics. Audioholics has always had their first impressions of gear that they've never seen/heard/touched. They said the same about a new Onkyo or Pioneer AVR recently, that wasn't released yet, "Gotta Have It." It's an early impression of how they expect it will perform once it reaches the market. It is not intended to be indicative of a final review or anything like that, it's merely a first impression, and sure, gets people to stop back regularly in anticipation of an upcoming review. Some products get things like "Mildly Interesting" or something like that. As stated several times here, it is based on past experiences with the manufacturer, etc. For regular followers of the magazine, it is no way misleading at all. Of course, for any first timer reading any publication, the subtle nuances of what different sections mean can be confusing or lost out of the context of the regular body of readership. Thanks for the clarification. Based on the specs and reputation, I can see why they said the new sub is a "must have." I can imagine some of the manufacturers aren't very happy if their product gets a "mildly interesting" or "ho-hum" ranking. ;D I just got a new sub that I am very happy with but I am really interested to read their actual review when released. I thought I'd leave a quick follow-up, trying not to stray too far from the topic. Audioholics also tends to love Yamaha gear, but look at this first impression on Yamaha's latest entry-level receiver offering. First Impression: Mildly Interesting In general, they call it as they see it. I'm not saying they aren't a little biased too companies they sell, etc., but they generally don't hold punches for anyone.
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Post by moveout on Apr 22, 2010 22:42:55 GMT -5
I could use some advice: I'm in the process of building my first home theater, and I'm at the point of choosing a sub.
My question is this: How important is it to have a sub that performs well below 20Hz?
I'm considering the Ultra 12 (goes down to 22Hz) or a Rythmic F12 (goes down to 14Hz). The difference is less than an octave in musical terms. Is that worth the extra $$$?
Mostly we'll be watching movies & TV, some gaming (Wii), with occasional music listening.
As far as the rest of the gear: UMC-1 with UPA-7; Magnepan MMG & MMGC for L/C/R; Orb Audio for surrounds (7.1); 58" plasma; BR player; old-tyme Dish 522 PVR (no HD at this point).
I look forward to your advice.
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Post by rick240 on Apr 23, 2010 0:21:25 GMT -5
I could use some advice: I'm in the process of building my first home theater, and I'm at the point of choosing a sub. My question is this: How important is it to have a sub that performs well below 20Hz? I'm considering the Ultra 12 (goes down to 22Hz) or a Rythmic F12 (goes down to 14Hz). The difference is less than an octave in musical terms. Is that worth the extra $$$? Mostly we'll be watching movies & TV, some gaming (Wii), with occasional music listening. As far as the rest of the gear: UMC-1 with UPA-7; Magnepan MMG & MMGC for L/C/R; Orb Audio for surrounds (7.1); 58" plasma; BR player; old-tyme Dish 522 PVR (no HD at this point). I look forward to your advice. -Todd The two subs are in different classes. If you decide that you can't afford the Rythmik then the Ultra12 looks like a great choice. If you can afford the Rythmik then it will outperform (note that the Rythmik spec is -2dB and is I believe an anechoic measurement whereas the Ultra is in-room with no -X dB spec). I think the Ultras are an incredible deal and great value for the money (based on specs and limited end user reviews, sure would like to see a pro review).
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Post by roadrunner on Apr 23, 2010 3:31:15 GMT -5
I could use some advice: I'm in the process of building my first home theater, and I'm at the point of choosing a sub. My question is this: How important is it to have a sub that performs well below 20Hz? I'm considering the Ultra 12 (goes down to 22Hz) or a Rhythmic F12 (goes down to 14Hz). The difference is less than an octave in musical terms. Is that worth the extra $$$? Mostly we'll be watching movies & TV, some gaming (Wii), with occasional music listening. As far as the rest of the gear: UMC-1 with UPA-7; Magnepan MMG & MMGC for L/C/R; Orb Audio for surrounds (7.1); 58" plasma; BR player; old-tyme Dish 522 PVR (no HD at this point). I look forward to your advice. -Todd Which sub would better fit your needs? That depends on a lot of variables. How big is your listening room? What sort of acoustical properties exist in your listening room? What is the placement of you equipment in relation to the room's furnishings? What are your listening habits? How loud do you play your sound system while watching movies? ...while listening to music? What genre of movies/music do you enjoy? Do you want to hear your sound effects or do you want to be knocked down by them? Do you start looking for the elephant's foot prints after a movie stampede? ;D For most people, the difference between below 20 Hz versus slightly higher than 20 Hz is negligible -- SPL at 20 Hz is far more important. If you are a bass-head, get the Rhythmic F12 and don't look back. If you are looking to hear and feel realistic sounding special effects either sub woofer will provide them in spades. Based on your comments about your budgetary restrictions, I would recommend you get the Ultra 12 and see if it lives up to what you want from a sub woofer. After 30-days, if the Ultra does Not satisfy you send it back for a "no questions asked" refund and buy the F12. Chances are good that the Ultra 12 will put a big grin on your face and allow you to save some big $$$. There are so many good subs out there to choose from, and only you can tell if any particular sub fulfills your expectations. No one on the forum can tell you which sub is best for you, so you will have to listen and evaluate which one will find a home in your system. ;D
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Post by moveout on Apr 27, 2010 1:16:22 GMT -5
I appreciate your advice. Before ordering I asked my wife, since if I were to blow this she'd be the first to let me know....
She didn't think the price difference was too much (we've already spent quite a bit), so I bought the Rythmik. In fact, I got the F15! For some reason, the pricing for the F15 in black is the same as the F12 in black. Go figure. ;D
The MMG's really need a sub, so I'll be very excited to get mine installed. BTW, I'm loving the UMC.
-Todd
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