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Post by Porscheguy on Mar 29, 2010 14:15:37 GMT -5
So I've narrowed my choices down to the either (2) Rythmik F-15 or (2) SVS PB12-Plus. But which? The prices are nearly identical and I'm sure they both are great performers. The SVS in particular has one great review after another, and has tremendous street cred in my view. I think the SVS is better looking, but it's real big and 30-40 lbs heavier that the F-15
The Rythmik is very highly spoken of here - but I've not been able to find much on the web from any pro reviewers about their products - in fact nothing. So that gives me a little pause. I also wonder a bit about Rythmik as a company - are they decent size? Will they be around for parts and service if need be?
So I'd like the owners (or anyone really) of these products to make their best case for one or the other and help me make a decision. A polite rumble!
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Post by turbo on Mar 29, 2010 14:39:10 GMT -5
I know what I would do if I had the $$$ Buy 1 of each at the same time.. listen to both....music and HT....Make decision on which one you like better.....return other one within 30 day window......order a mate for the one you like..... Results would be you have heard, felt, and seen each of the options so you know that the one you picked is the one you want (no Curiosities). All you would be out is the return shipping costs for one sub
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Post by Porscheguy on Mar 29, 2010 14:40:41 GMT -5
Thats a good point Fugs, but a lot of work lugging one of those bad boys over to the freight company
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Post by monkumonku on Mar 29, 2010 14:42:15 GMT -5
So I've narrowed my choices down to the either (2) Rythmik F-15 or (2) SVS PB12-Plus. But which? The prices are nearly identical and I'm sure they both are great performers. The SVS in particular has one great review after another, and has tremendous street cred in my view. I think the SVS is better looking, but it's real big and 30-40 lbs heavier that the F-15 The Rythmik is very highly spoken of here - but I've not been able to find much on the web from any pro reviewers about their products - in fact nothing. So that gives me a little pause. I also wonder a bit about Rythmik as a company - are they decent size? Will they be around for parts and service if need be? So I'd like the owners (or anyone really) of these products to make their best case for one or the other and help me make a decision. A polite rumble! Before NTrain steps in to give you the definitive, absolute answer ;D, I bet you would be happy with either one of those. If you like the looks of the SVS subs more, I say go with those. So much depends on your room, and I bet both get the job done. The only drawback is if you decide to return them since they weigh 30-40 lb more than the Rythmik, you'll have a higher freight charge.
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Post by turbo on Mar 29, 2010 14:43:31 GMT -5
I think it would be worth it then you will know for sure then you can help me decide on getting a Rythmik CI sub or not ;D
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Post by Porscheguy on Mar 29, 2010 14:50:05 GMT -5
So I've narrowed my choices down to the either (2) Rythmik F-15 or (2) SVS PB12-Plus. But which? The prices are nearly identical and I'm sure they both are great performers. The SVS in particular has one great review after another, and has tremendous street cred in my view. I think the SVS is better looking, but it's real big and 30-40 lbs heavier that the F-15 The Rythmik is very highly spoken of here - but I've not been able to find much on the web from any pro reviewers about their products - in fact nothing. So that gives me a little pause. I also wonder a bit about Rythmik as a company - are they decent size? Will they be around for parts and service if need be? So I'd like the owners (or anyone really) of these products to make their best case for one or the other and help me make a decision. A polite rumble! Before NTrain steps in to give you the definitive, absolute answer ;D, Thanks Monku, he wouldn't do that now would he? I'm actually waiting.........
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Post by Porscheguy on Mar 29, 2010 14:52:59 GMT -5
I think it would be worth it then you will know for sure then you can help me decide on getting a Rythmik CI sub or not ;D I knew there was a underlying reason there Its more involved because I'm having veneers done to match my speakers and I just want to get it over with. Yep I'm lazy because I think I'm choosing between Porsche's and BMW's, not much on the downside with either..........
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Post by jraffety on Mar 29, 2010 14:55:14 GMT -5
Just curious if you'd considered the new emo 12" sub and why it didn't make the cut?
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Post by Porscheguy on Mar 29, 2010 14:59:22 GMT -5
Just curious if you'd considered the new emo 12" sub and why it didn't make the cut? Well, its unproven (no track record) at this point so I'm not sure about that. Its also black which I don't want and it's rather "pedestrian" in it's appearance. And where are they??? If it follows the same circuitous journey as the UMC-1 it won't be around until October or November..........
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Post by funboy on Mar 29, 2010 15:09:52 GMT -5
You could do what I plan on doing soon - buy two Rythmik F-15 A300's for $699 each...
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Post by Porscheguy on Mar 29, 2010 15:13:36 GMT -5
You could do what I plan on doing soon - buy two Rythmik F-15 A300's for $699 each... I want the PEQ....
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Post by jraffety on Mar 29, 2010 15:15:51 GMT -5
Just curious if you'd considered the new emo 12" sub and why it didn't make the cut? Well, its unproven (no track record) at this point so I'm not sure about that. Its also black which I don't want and it's rather "pedestrian" in it's appearance. And where are they??? If it follows the same circuitous journey as the UMC-1 it won't be around until October or November.......... Got it. I've been looking at a DIY rythmik F15 so curious to see how this discussion goes.
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Post by RadTech on Mar 29, 2010 16:03:33 GMT -5
Where is ntrain , he must be held up in his pleasure palace . I have neither, I went with 2 eD A5s-300. I was looking at both of those subs, it is a hard decision. I think you should hear some decent comments on this, I hope. Owners of both of these subs will chime, I would expect.
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Post by bigred7078 on Mar 29, 2010 16:10:43 GMT -5
You could do what I plan on doing soon - buy two Rythmik F-15 A300's for $699 each... spend the extra and get the 370 watt amps with PEQ. Better transformer and you get the PEQ.
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Post by ntrain42 on Mar 29, 2010 16:19:37 GMT -5
Where am I eh? Haha. Couple things. Rythmik is a one man company. The amps and drivers are custom built to Brian's specs. Brian, like many people is a true audio fanatic with a very good ear. Porscheguy: If you really think about it, just do yourself a favor, buy a PAIR of both of them(if you can afford a Porsche, then Im sure you can tie up your CC with a few extra grand for a few weeks. ) and audition them yourself. I can garentee you send the SVS units back, if absolute sub detail/resolution is your main goal. A pair of either of them will shake the house and output isnt going to be the issue. The rythmik is geared and marketed towards ACCURATE bass. The SVS is market'd and geared for HT effects and output. A pair of 15" drivers though in 6 cubic feet total cubes and powered with REAL class AB servo amps totaling 750 watts isnt going to have any problems shaking your wall fixtures down though. Tell ya what. Get yourself a D15se for the comparison, if you don't like it as much as the SVS, then Ill buy it off you directly(minus the shipping )in cash. Just make sure you get the XLR version so I can daisychain it to the other 2 I have.
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Post by bigred7078 on Mar 29, 2010 16:23:26 GMT -5
So I've narrowed my choices down to the either (2) Rythmik F-15 or (2) SVS PB12-Plus. But which? The prices are nearly identical and I'm sure they both are great performers. The SVS in particular has one great review after another, and has tremendous street cred in my view. I think the SVS is better looking, but it's real big and 30-40 lbs heavier that the F-15 The Rythmik is very highly spoken of here - but I've not been able to find much on the web from any pro reviewers about their products - in fact nothing. So that gives me a little pause. I also wonder a bit about Rythmik as a company - are they decent size? Will they be around for parts and service if need be? So I'd like the owners (or anyone really) of these products to make their best case for one or the other and help me make a decision. A polite rumble! Honestly, would be happy with either one. Both are good quality well made subs. The SVS is a much larger company and its been around for a longer period of time and they have a few more options. Bryan at Rythmik is a one man operation as far as I'm aware of but he uses Ascend Acoustics as a point of distribution as well. He's catered to the DIYers since like 2003ish and recently made the jump to the pre-made subs. I had never heard of Rythmik until this year and after reading so much about their ability I decided "ehhhh what the hell". I'm extremely happy with my choice of the F12SE. I think it is a heck of a buy. I work at a Paradigm, B&W, Klipsch, and Velodyne dealer and I just have not been that happy with any of their offerings (Well actually I like some of the higher end Paradigm reference and signature models but those are waaay beyond the price of the Rythmik.). I took a chance a few months back and tried out a AV123 MFW-15. It was cool and first, but after awhile I just was not impressed with it in my room. I sold it and searched for a few months. I almost pulled the trigger on the new Paradigm Sub 1, but I really wanted a small form factor sub that really fit my needs. The Rythmik has been it. I was scared at first since people said it may lack output for HT, but it definately rocks my HT world.... I've never owned SVS, so I can't compare. But I do know they are a great company with more happy owners than you could count. Again...i'm sure you would be happy with whatever route you decide to take.
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Post by RadTech on Mar 29, 2010 16:24:11 GMT -5
I think that is a vote or two for Rythmic!
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Post by Porscheguy on Mar 29, 2010 16:44:29 GMT -5
This is kind of like looking at plasma TVs at Best Buy. When they are all on the wall next to each other, one looks brighter, another more saturated, another sharper and yet another has better black levels.
But in the end, anyone of them will probably look and perform great when its viewed all by itself in your house. Whats the moral of the story?
I have no idea.......... :-)
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Post by jlafrenz on Mar 29, 2010 16:58:10 GMT -5
I am in the same boat as you. I have 2 different subs in mind and can't decide. I don't see a wrong choice. It seems to be like your pushing yourself towards the SVS. Also, having 30-40lbs doesn't seem like a bad thing in a sub (except for your back). To me it would seem that there is either a bigger amp (power supply) or the weight is in the driver. Both are good places to have weight.
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Post by ntrain42 on Mar 29, 2010 16:58:54 GMT -5
So I've narrowed my choices down to the either (2) Rythmik F-15 or (2) SVS PB12-Plus. But which? The prices are nearly identical and I'm sure they both are great performers. The SVS in particular has one great review after another, and has tremendous street cred in my view. I think the SVS is better looking, but it's real big and 30-40 lbs heavier that the F-15 The Rythmik is very highly spoken of here - but I've not been able to find much on the web from any pro reviewers about their products - in fact nothing. So that gives me a little pause. I also wonder a bit about Rythmik as a company - are they decent size? Will they be around for parts and service if need be? So I'd like the owners (or anyone really) of these products to make their best case for one or the other and help me make a decision. A polite rumble! Honestly, would be happy with either one. Both are good quality well made subs. The SVS is a much larger company and its been around for a longer period of time and they have a few more options. Bryan at Rythmik is a one man operation as far as I'm aware of but he uses Ascend Acoustics as a point of distribution as well. He's catered to the DIYers since like 2003ish and recently made the jump to the pre-made subs. I had never heard of Rythmik until this year and after reading so much about their ability I decided "ehhhh what the hell". I'm extremely happy with my choice of the F12SE. I think it is a heck of a buy. I work at a Paradigm, B&W, Klipsch, and Velodyne dealer and I just have not been that happy with any of their offerings (Well actually I like some of the higher end Paradigm reference and signature models but those are waaay beyond the price of the Rythmik.). I took a chance a few months back and tried out a AV123 MFW-15. It was cool and first, but after awhile I just was not impressed with it in my room. I sold it and searched for a few months. I almost pulled the trigger on the new Paradigm Sub 1, but I really wanted a small form factor sub that really fit my needs. The Rythmik has been it. I was scared at first since people said it may lack output for HT, but it definately rocks my HT world.... I've never owned SVS, so I can't compare. But I do know they are a great company with more happy owners than you could count. Again...i'm sure you would be happy with whatever route you decide to take. I have to add here, SVS and a number of other companies like Epik, eD etc. get alot of "younger" customers that used to be car audio SPL fanatics. So I think alot of reviews that I see from people praising these companies tend to be skewed a bit. The younger HT crowd seems to be more enamored with absolute spl and how low a sub can play with output below 20hz. I was very big into car audio myself(still am actually), but never cared about spl levels in my car. I was all about SQ, balance and detail. I remember at an IASCA soundshow in Burlington Mass, all kinds of kids were blown away with my install, seeing 3 Phoenix Gold ZPA 0.5 amps, 3 balanced TBAT line drivers, 3 EQ232's, nice custom door pods, fully active system, etc, but then they always would have that puzzled look in their eyes and ask me the SAME QUESTION: WHere are all the subs!?!?!? LOL! I had one single 12" driver in a stealth enclosure. That was it, and then came the questions, like why I was ONLY using one single 12" sub for an amp capable of 1000watts rms(I ran my 12" at 8ohms mono which gave me 500 watts rms), and why I wasnt driving my amp down to rediculously low impedances, etc etc. Hell even with my single 12" sub I was able to crank out CLEAN SPL levels of 125db in cabin......... Even with the windows cranked down at highway speeds I have plenty of clean music output for my tastes. But anyway, yeah, even a 12" rythmik can churn out surprising output. Rythmik though, just doesnt post "sexy" subwoofer specs, show big honking inefficient driver magnet assemblies, monster 1000watt plus class D amp specs(many times driven to 10% distortion #'s or beyond),augment the output with ported bass reflex designs, etc etc. They go with what I consider substance. Good high quality well designed efficient drivers, servo control, good quality custom built class AB and H amps(With REAL Toroidal PS's that are bigger than what you would find in a UPA-1,2,5)with excellent USEFUL room tailoring controls. If Rythmik has fault with anything, its their lack of advertisement and promotion. Their products are vastly understated.
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