NorthStar
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Post by NorthStar on Oct 17, 2010 3:16:07 GMT -5
Ny1pr2009, "Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King" is also one my fav movie (BD or DVD EE) on all aspects (Cinematic Value, Storyline, Acting, Video quality and Sound quality & Sub quality too...).  Matt, good one on that Michael Moore's link. ;D And Matt, I only use one finger for typing on my keyboard (my right index finger); totally true! Thomas, you are absolutely right. ...Hopefully Onkyo/Integra will bring this feature into their next products.
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Post by thomasd92 on Oct 17, 2010 13:25:23 GMT -5
I have an Onkyo 885, XPA2, and an XPA5. I am seriously considering buying the Denon 4311 and using the XPA2 to power my fronts and using the internal amps to power the other 9 channels. The price I got on the 4311 if I decide to buy it could almost be off set by selling the 885 and XPA5. This would save me rack space too. I am thinking off also selling my DVDO EDGE too. If I do this I break even by upgrading. I really want Audyssey DSX 11.1 sound . Everybody who has it has nothing but praise for it. I was not going to upgrade but I got the bug. I can justify it to myself if I sell other gear and not have to dip into my cash reserves. Does anyone here have a 4311 in a 11.1 setup? I would like your impression of it.
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Post by matt9669 on Oct 17, 2010 23:35:51 GMT -5
^ I'll be happy to get 7.1 going personally, as this is a small forum you'll be hard pressed to find someone who is both A) running the 4311 and B) in 11.1. I'm sure you're following the AVS thread though, SeattleHTGuy is the 11.X evangelist and he's using the 4311 currently. That said, as far as your equipment goes ... I'd hate to see you ditch the XPA5, for the sole reason that your center won't get the love and attention it deserves compared to the L/R. Since you're shooting for 11.1 I assume that must be for movies, so skimping on the center to get 11 channels may be a bad tradeoff. Would you consider selling the XPA2 instead? Sure, you may lose just a bit when it comes to music, but again it looks like you're most concerned about movie performance, and I really think the extra power from the XPA2 is a much smaller tradeoff. (Plus the wides/heights/rears will thank you for getting more power from the receiver.) Unless you're running SD sources on a very large screen (front projector) I think you can safely sell the DVDO EDGE, the Anchor Bay chip (ABT-2015 I believe) in the 4311 may not be 100% as good as the DVDO but it should be close enough to be completely imperceptible. (That is, unless you're running video tests on it, you really shouldn't notice any difference at all.) And Matt, I only use one finger for typing on my keyboard (my right index finger); totally true! That's actually rather impressive ... |
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Post by NorthStar on Oct 18, 2010 1:49:53 GMT -5
By the way guys, the Denon AVR-4311CI is an 11.2-channel receiver (with Audyssey Sub EQ HT for two separate subwoofer's EQ & Calibration). ...Not 11.1 like you said.  And yes Matt, the VP is the Anchor Bay Technologies VRS ABT-2015 VP. ____________________________ * Now here's a quick rear view of the AVR-A100, 100th Anniversary Edition:  |
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Post by thomasd92 on Oct 18, 2010 6:18:30 GMT -5
I need the XPA2 to run my setup in 2 channel with my ERC-1 and USP-1. If I find my center channel power is not enough I could buy a UPA1 for the center. The 4311 is rated at 170 watts all channels driven so it should be enough. Money is tight so the XPA5 must go to help pay for the 4311. I only have 1 sub an Epic Tower that is why I said 11.1 instead of 11.2. That one sub is enough for me. Well I placed my order for the 4311. It will be about 3 weeks till it arrives due to back order.The person I ordered from said he cannot keep them in stock and gets a new shipment every week. This weeks shipment is sold out so mine will be in next weeks shipment.
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Post by NorthStar on Oct 18, 2010 8:06:27 GMT -5
Gotcha on that single sub you own. ...Still though, it is an 11.2-channel receiver! * The 4311 is rated at 170 watts all channels driven (11 channels)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Where do you live??? ...Madagascar? ;D |
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Post by matt9669 on Oct 18, 2010 18:05:17 GMT -5
^ I know, it's technically 11.2 - which is why I said 11.X earlier. We're really concerned about the 11 speaker channels. The .2 is probably a misnomer anyway, as except for a time/phase shift, these aren't actually outputting unique audio. But I digress  I need the XPA2 to run my setup in 2 channel with my ERC-1 and USP-1. I've gotcha. So you've got the fronts on an A/B selector then? If I find my center channel power is not enough I could buy a UPA1 for the center. That's a possible solution ... I still think that the XPA5 would give you the maximum consistency across the front soundstage with minimal loss in power to the front L/R vs the XPA2, but you can certainly keep the XPA2. All about priorities! The 4311 is rated at 170 watts all channels driven so it should be enough. Not to be a bear but that's actually not correct ... tell me you don't believe inflated AVR power ratings! First off, the 4311 is rated 140W @ 8ohms and 170W @ 6ohms, so if your speakers are mostly 8ohm (most common) the rating is lower. Further, good luck finding an AVR that is truly rated at "all channels driven" - the 4311 is certainly not. In fact, I imagine the only Denon that is would be the 10-channel separate amp. That rating is usually good for two channels driven at best. Bottom line, AVR power ratings are notoriously generous/misleading. You're more likely to get ~50WPC all driven, and while the center will get the lion's share of available power, it will still be way less than 170W. By contrast, Emotiva's ratings are very conservative. You're in fact likely to see more than 200WPC (XPA5) or 300WPC (XPA2) in practice. So, a better comparison would be the 4311 @ much less than 100W for the center, vs. the XPA5 at more than 200W for the center, not to mention the difference dynamic capabilities and the quality of the power supplied. Just trying to make the point that the difference between the XPA5 and the 4311 on the center may be greater than you realized, and the center is the most important for movies ... Either way you're looking at tradeoffs, I would just make different tradeoffs than you would ... but I think you'll still be pleased.  Well I placed my order for the 4311. It will be about 3 weeks till it arrives due to back order.The person I ordered from said he cannot keep them in stock and gets a new shipment every week. This weeks shipment is sold out so mine will be in next weeks shipment. Sweet!! ;D Sorry about the delay, I actually had to wait about 2 weeks past when others got theirs to keep my preorder with WWS ... but it was worth it! |
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Post by djoel on Oct 18, 2010 20:45:35 GMT -5
I got mine ( well pre order) for 1500 from an authorized deal..And I can't wait to have it in hand, this is the closest you'll get a preamp ( signing off the amp section feature) from Denon sub 2K.....I'm psyched. DJoel Hey DJoel, may I ask you who's that good looking guy and gal in your AVS avatar?  Sorry about the extreme late response, I don't know my way around here yet  That happens to be my to be my GF of 10 years. Oh and me.. Dan |
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Post by Pantala Naga Pampa on Oct 18, 2010 22:53:54 GMT -5
I bought my Denon 4310 CI less than a year ago. Almost wish I would have waited for this. Oh well. There will always be something newer, better etc coming out down the road.
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Post by NorthStar on Oct 19, 2010 4:43:21 GMT -5
Hey DJoel, may I ask you who's that good looking guy and gal in your AVS avatar? Sorry about the extreme late response, I don't know my way around here yet That happens to be my to be my GF of 10 years. Oh and me.. Dan Thanks Dan, that's what I originally tought. You guys look super great. And I read several of your posts over at AVS Forum and I know how cool of a guy you are, a smart guy. I used to post quite a bit over there a while back, and I made several good friends along the way, plus some less friendly, so I search for my place in this cyber space world, and I discovered a new family right here at the Lounge, and so far so good, cause the people are quite mature and extremely intelligent overall. Good people are everywhere that's for sure, but on average there seems to be a much bigger percentage here from the total number of members, plus the mods here are much more relax and cordial with everyone, which I could not say the same from AVS as they seem often to not know who they're dealing with and try to show their egos in a powertrip manner, plus some of their rules totally sucks! Sorry to be so honest, but my vision is quite clear and blurry-free. I wish people like you and Bill and Michael and Roger would spend more time here at the Lounge with us. We like to laugh a lot and not take ourselves too seriously. Plus I'd like to see Kal, and Chris, and Larry and Jeff and Mark and the other Mark as well few other good shots from over there joined us once in a while. I bet they read but they don't post. Anyhoo, glad talking with you while I had the lucky opportunity. Regards and Cheers to both of you and your GF, Bob *TIP: When you like to see where's the action, just look at the top page for *New Topics, with a yellow star in front. Just by clicking on it, you're in! |
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Post by thomasd92 on Oct 19, 2010 6:14:56 GMT -5
Well the deal I had on my XPA5 is off due to shipping cost and I am considering keeping the XPA5. with the XPA2 . I will run my 2 pair or ERD-1's with the 4311 amps and my other 7 speakers with the Emotiva amps. My other speakers are all 4 ohm speakers and that is why I was a little concerned with the 4311 powering them. I like to play my concerts at high volume.
I wish Emotiva would make a 4 channel amp. It appears with 11.2 setups a 4 channel amp is a need to be addressed. I will in the future pick up an XPA5 or buy a UPA5 for the front heights and back surrounds then switch the 4311 to pre-amp mode. I really wanted the money for the XPA5 but in the long run I think keeping it is the wise thing to do.
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Post by ny1pr2009 on Oct 19, 2010 11:22:03 GMT -5
I am still waiting for my dealer to give me a call when they receive my new Onkyo PR-SC5508 Preamplifier Proccesor and the matching 9 Channel PA-MC5500 Class A/B amplifier to finally set up my system.
Today I am getting my pair of Definitive Technology BPVX (front main) and my CLR-3000 Center Channel to complete my 7.1 Surround sound system.
The great thing is that the Definitive Technology Speakers are rated at 6ohms and the new Onkyo PA-MC5500 amplifier puts out 220 watts ''Per channel" @ 6ohms and most of all is fully balanced.
I can't wait to get this system going. I can't say that i havent been happy with my Pioneer Elite SC-07 receiver used as a preamp processor with my Emotiva UPA-7 amplifier, but I know that the combination of the Onkyo PR-SC5508 Pre Amp Processor and PA-MC5500 Amplifier will bring my system to a much higher level.
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Post by matt9669 on Oct 19, 2010 12:24:03 GMT -5
Well the deal I had on my XPA5 is off due to shipping cost and I am considering keeping the XPA5. with the XPA2 . I will run my 2 pair or ERD-1's with the 4311 amps and my other 7 speakers with the Emotiva amps. My other speakers are all 4 ohm speakers and that is why I was a little concerned with the 4311 powering them. I like to play my concerts at high volume. I wish Emotiva would make a 4 channel amp. It appears with 11.2 setups a 4 channel amp is a need to be addressed. I will in the future pick up an XPA5 or buy a UPA5 for the front heights and back surrounds then switch the 4311 to pre-amp mode. I really wanted the money for the XPA5 but in the long run I think keeping it is the wise thing to do. I think you'll be much happier. The 4311 is one of few Denons rated stable into 4ohm loads, and considering the low power demand of the surround/height/wide channels I think you'll find you don't need a third amp. If that's all the Denon has to power it might actually deliver close to its rating, especially if you leave the impedance selector at 8ohms. +1 on the 4 channel amp - or at least an even number of channels (3+8, 5+6, or 7+4). Otherwise at least one channel goes wasted. |
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Post by thomasd92 on Oct 19, 2010 20:24:02 GMT -5
Well I will get another XPA5 sometime in the future and power my buttkicker with the extra channel. I would like to run the 4311 in pre-amp mode.
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Post by djoel on Oct 19, 2010 22:59:45 GMT -5
Sorry about the extreme late response, I don't know my way around here yet That happens to be my to be my GF of 10 years. Oh and me.. Dan Thanks Dan, that's what I originally tought. You guys look super great. And I read several of your posts over at AVS Forum and I know how cool of a guy you are, a smart guy. I used to post quite a bit over there a while back, and I made several good friends along the way, plus some less friendly, so I search for my place in this cyber space world, and I discovered a new family right here at the Lounge, and so far so good, cause the people are quite mature and extremely intelligent overall. Good people are everywhere that's for sure, but on average there seems to be a much bigger percentage here from the total number of members, plus the mods here are much more relax and cordial with everyone, which I could not say the same from AVS as they seem often to not know who they're dealing with and try to show their egos in a powertrip manner, plus some of their rules totally sucks! Sorry to be so honest, but my vision is quite clear and blurry-free. I wish people like you and Bill and Michael and Roger would spend more time here at the Lounge with us. We like to laugh a lot and not take ourselves too seriously. Plus I'd like to see Kal, and Chris, and Larry and Jeff and Mark and the other Mark as well few other good shots from over there joined us once in a while. I bet they read but they don't post. Anyhoo, glad talking with you while I had the lucky opportunity. Regards and Cheers to both of you and your GF, Bob *TIP: When you like to see where's the action, just look at the top page for *New Topics, with a yellow star in front. Just by clicking on it, you're in! Thank you Bob I completely understand what you're saying, as it can get a little strange on AVS from time to time..God knows I've had my scuffles ;D I try to be fair, and curious to everyone I come in contact with. Heck that's the way I would like to be treated..And you said it, let's not take things too serious folks. Like you I've meet some fantastic people on AVS, and quickly meeting awesome here too.All with same interest as me, what more can I ask for. Bill Mac as been just great, and patient with all the countless advice he has given me..Bill THE CHECK IS IN MAIL Buddy ;D Lol. As well as Carlos, aka NY1pr2009 who gave me the confidence of getting into Emo gear.. Well it was nice talking to you, hope we'll discuss some new an exciting gear in the future. And thanks for the tip on getting around the site. Dan |
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Post by NorthStar on Oct 20, 2010 9:24:21 GMT -5
I'm reading with great interest the official thread on the Denon AVR-4311CI/AVR-A100 over at AVS Forum, and William06 which had that 4311 before with some great feedbacks about it, is just about to give us a review on the Onkyo TX-NR5008 as a comparison with the 4311CI. This, I follow very closely. Also, SeattleHTGuy is another member at AVS from who we can also learn quite a bit with some great feedbacks on the 4311CI receiver. Another member ( unclemat) said that he prefer the sound of the Marantz SR7005 receiver over the 4311. And that is with his setup in exactly the same configuration for both these receivers, and with both their Audyssey system engaged. I can relate to that no problem. What is interesting though in this comparison is that the SR7005 has only Audyssey MultEQ XT (not 32). That tells me that there is simply more to the latest and newest technology, so far anyway, as this is just starting... William is thee man right now, as he should provide a very interesting comparison between the Onk 5008 and Den 4311 receivers. ...That review might come today as he already received his 5008 yesterday or the day before. And William is quite articulated and detailed in his impressions and expressions (so is SeattleHTGuy), and overall outputs from the components he's using in his own room's setup. * Please do visit that thread and read the last few pages, or all of it, if like me you are a fast reader and can memorize the most essential points. Of course, only if you are interested as I am on the latest technological improvements that is. And by real analysis and concrete reports from people owning those products. And like anything else in life, some informations are very valuable and others less so. After all our system of values differs from each and everyone, with some similarities between some of us. And all don't agree at the same exact level; that's what makes this hobby even more challenging and interesting in our pursuit of Sound greatness. Same with women... ;D ...Are you passionate? ...Me too! ________________________ Dan, nice of you to reply. ...And send that check to Bill as soon the funds are available into your bank account! ;D |
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Post by matt9669 on Oct 22, 2010 0:00:12 GMT -5
^ Interesting that unclemat (and his wife, hehe) have actually changed their minds and now believe the Denon sounds better! Shows what you described, how challenging audio is as a hobby ... getting things to sound just right is a terribly elusive pursuit, no doubt. I wish I could contribute more but I don't have the experience with high end audio these guys have, don't have the equipment to make comparisons, and most importantly don't have the room/setup to really test everything as it should be. Bottom line though, this is a great piece of hardware and I'm really enjoying what little I've been able to do with it so far. Plus, you can be really chic like me and have your AVR featured on Apple's Airplay page: www.apple.com/itunes/airplay/ ;D (And note that's the 4311 shown, not the A100!) |
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Post by NorthStar on Oct 22, 2010 2:39:56 GMT -5
I agree with you Matt; Audio is an elusive sensorial aural illusion at best.
Your personal mood of the moment has as much to do with it as the components themselves! ;D
Still fun to read about it though, and from various people all over the world...
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Post by thomasd92 on Oct 22, 2010 6:10:43 GMT -5
When my 4311 arrives I am going to put my 2 SVS 20-39 subs back in my system with my Epic Tower since the 4311 can calibrate two subs . The 20-39 will act as one sub since they are powered by a Samson amp in the mode that runs them as one sub. I will have them side by side in the back of my room and the Tower in front. Man I can't wait to get my 4311. About 2 weeks to go.
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Post by NorthStar on Oct 23, 2010 1:11:02 GMT -5
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