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Post by 45acpauto on Feb 2, 2011 16:16:30 GMT -5
Heck from all the cumulative posts in this thread I am questioning any receiver at this point. I guess I should really concentrate on the best "pre/pro" section and options on a receiver. You know LOTR made a good point about expensive receivers and them becoming obsolete...geez I have one. Maybe I should just concentrate on a $800- 1K receiver and pick up an amp. Good call.
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Post by ntrain42 on Feb 2, 2011 16:43:35 GMT -5
Reference level? And what is "reference level" exactly to you? 82 on the volume knob?!?! LOL! Sounds to me like you more than clipped the amp beyond its true rms/dynamic ability if the limiter kicked in(And the limiter is there to PROTECT the AMP). The amps are excellent drivin WITHIN their rms ability. If you were using prosumer MK's and trying to drive them at true reference levels in the 100-110db range I can bet you 100% you shut the AVR's internal amp down. Onkyo's basically put the same power out at 4ohms as they do at 8ohms. MK's have a lower than average sensitivity real world in the low to mid 80's. So if your driving a mid price Onkyo or Integra(same difference) AVR that puts out around 40-80watts rms all channels driven, then your not going to get a ton of output. You can get comfortably 90db rms(which is the output a motorcycle or a lawnmover roughly) with dynamic peaks in the 100 range depending on a typical home HT room size. But getting more out of that with those speakers is what I consider user abuse/stupidity. And to say an amp "sucks" because you can overdrive it is clueless at best. Knowing what your equipment can do and matching it up to YOUR needs PROPERLY will determine if the product is good for your needs. My kids HT room uses an lower tiered Onkyo 707. I paid about 300 bucks for it shipped. It honestly has about 40 watts rms 8 or 4 ohms. It drives low sensitivity Magnepan speakers. Its used in a rather small room around 16x14. And it does a wonderful job of getting good clean volume in the 90-100db range. The highpass xover is set correctly(120hz in this case) I use the volume limiter to make sure the kids cant crank the volume up to absurd levels or overdrive the amp into clipping, and it still gives great output. The example I give is one where the AVR in question is used properly and meets the needs fully of the customer who uses it and matched up with components and output within its capabilities. Trust me Train, far from abuse. I shut the DTR80.2 down with friggin B&W 683 towers in 2 ch. The amps in them blow, I play it with the Marantz SR7005 and it rocks, never shuts down. The Integras have always done this, for the past 9 years I have been selling them, they are week. Plus they only rate the amp section with 2 ch drivin, I wonder what they really make with all ch drivin. Again, hitting the limiter(shutting it down) means your well past the point of distortion. You have still yet to mention your idea of "reference level" but I know that it sure isnt a low volume. You don't give any real details other than "I hook them up,play the speakers at reference levels, and shut em down". That vagueness itself tells me your 99.999999% over driving them past their rms. I do question your ability to properly set up and match components as well. And just curious, why can't I shut down a speaker like a Magnepan with a ruler flat 4 ohm impedance curve on a $300 Onkyo, while your shutting down an 80.2 with a superior amp section with B&W/MK products with an impedance range from around 4 to over 16ohms? I'm sorry man, but your answers are extremely vague, lack details and give no reason to rule out user abuse whatsoever.
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Post by ntrain42 on Feb 2, 2011 16:55:12 GMT -5
Will do, are you talking about the pre/pro or the A/V Rec, we do not sell onk, just Integra. Not at work today, I am in Chicago and we are getting pounded by a nasty Blizzard, who knows when I will get back to work. All the roads are closed and we have like 3 ft of snow with 6 ft drifts everywhere. This is crazy, I have never seen snow like this in Chicago. The Integra Receiver. I believe it is the 80.2. I have not seen a price on one and personally have never heard one. Im guessing its a good chunk more than the Onk 5008 but wondering if it is worth the extra money? The 80.2 is basically the 5008 with a different faceplate. THis is a SERIOUS AVR with a LARGE 1Kva Toroidal main PS and 3 seperate El transformers for the switching/signal processing and display boards. This beast weighs almost 60 pounds. And it puts out ALOT of power. RMS power with ALL channels driven is around 100 watts. Using 5 or 7 channels driven in a typical HT your basically getting the power you would from a UPA-7. Its not a typical AVR. Its power consumption is also right in line drawing around 12 amps/1500 watts. Audioholics and HTS have a few pieces written up on the basics of the 5008. Its a killer unit and will drive all but the most inefficient of speakers to extreme volume levels.
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Post by hammmerhead on Feb 2, 2011 17:28:18 GMT -5
The Integra Receiver. I believe it is the 80.2. I have not seen a price on one and personally have never heard one. Im guessing its a good chunk more than the Onk 5008 but wondering if it is worth the extra money? The 80.2 is basically the 5008 with a different faceplate. THis is a SERIOUS AVR with a LARGE 1Kva Toroidal main PS and 3 seperate El transformers for the switching/signal processing and display boards. This beast weighs almost 60 pounds. And it puts out ALOT of power. RMS power with ALL channels driven is around 100 watts. Using 5 or 7 channels driven in a typical HT your basically getting the power you would from a UPA-7. Its not a typical AVR. Its power consumption is also right in line drawing around 12 amps/1500 watts. Audioholics and HTS have a few pieces written up on the basics of the 5008. Its a killer unit and will drive all but the most inefficient of speakers to extreme volume levels. I would be willing to bet there are a few differences other than the face plate. Now granted the power output may be fairly close and I bet the power supply is identical. Once again back to the "numbers game", I bet the Integra is a tad cleaner with the numbers on the pre side of the amp like the past Integra's vs Onk's show. Edit: Look at the test on the "old" Integra 9.9 vs the newer 5008 Better numbers appear to be across the board. www.hometheater.com/content/integra-dtr-99-av-receiver-ht-labs-measureswww.hometheater.com/content/onkyo-tx-nr5008-av-receiver-ht-labs-measures
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Post by ntrain42 on Feb 2, 2011 18:33:42 GMT -5
The 80.2 is basically the 5008 with a different faceplate. THis is a SERIOUS AVR with a LARGE 1Kva Toroidal main PS and 3 seperate El transformers for the switching/signal processing and display boards. This beast weighs almost 60 pounds. And it puts out ALOT of power. RMS power with ALL channels driven is around 100 watts. Using 5 or 7 channels driven in a typical HT your basically getting the power you would from a UPA-7. Its not a typical AVR. Its power consumption is also right in line drawing around 12 amps/1500 watts. Audioholics and HTS have a few pieces written up on the basics of the 5008. Its a killer unit and will drive all but the most inefficient of speakers to extreme volume levels. I would be willing to bet there are a few differences other than the face plate. Now granted the power output may be fairly close and I bet the power supply is identical. Once again back to the "numbers game", I bet the Integra is a tad cleaner with the numbers on the pre side of the amp like the past Integra's vs Onk's show. Edit: Look at the test on the "old" Integra 9.9 vs the newer 5008 Better numbers appear to be across the board. www.hometheater.com/content/integra-dtr-99-av-receiver-ht-labs-measureswww.hometheater.com/content/onkyo-tx-nr5008-av-receiver-ht-labs-measures2 different recievers with different output stages(5008 has more channels, less output devices per channel, same with the Integra models). Better off finding a 906 if you want an apples to apples comparison, which is what I currently still have as a backup unit. I personally like the Onkyo 906/Integra 9.9's better than the current 80.2/5008 since there are more output devices and power available per channel. The newer models with 9 channels basically spread the same power alloted to 2 extra channels. Anything past 7.1 is 100% worthless in my book as it is. If your not worried about "3D" switching through your HDMI switcher better off finding a mint condition or refurbed 906. Get it for ALOT less money, take the money saved upgrade other items in your HT setup. I just picked up my second PR SC886 processor, I paid basically $700 shipped for it with a year left remaining its its warranty still.
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Post by azsoundman on Feb 2, 2011 18:45:24 GMT -5
I DO have to add my two cents worth here, when it comes to seperates vs a receiver especially when Yes your use is perhaps 60% or more Audio (music) 40% or less Video. Seperates ALWAYS preform better, just the isolation of the chassis, power supply, overall superior construction and isolation of components etc. So YES the UMC-1, plus the UPA-7 will out perform ANY of the mentioned receivers, perhaps not with the absolute cutting edge standards, but for the $$ spent a Great Value per dollar. BTW... Their is a firmware upgrade available for the Anthem receivers which address a couple small issues, but overall I'd still take an MRX-700 over either the Onkyo or Denon units. Why? Anthem Room Correction, (the most accurate room EQ program available) 3 Year Warranty, Great Amplifier Head Room, stable to 3.2 Ohms, Anthem logic Music, Anthem logic Cinema, YES DESIGNED IN CANADA!!! Funny from 1986 to 1992 I was the ONKYO Factory Rep for S.CALIF. AZ. NV. So If you think the brand is a 'hard sell' today, You have NO Idea what I went thru... <EG> I still have a 'soft spot' for them today. Just to show that we All are different, I Can't Stand the sound of Yamaha receivers!!! YUCH!!!
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Post by ntrain42 on Feb 2, 2011 19:04:29 GMT -5
I DO have to add my two cents worth here, when it comes to seperates vs a receiver especially when Yes your use is perhaps 60% or more Audio (music) 40% or less Video. Seperates ALWAYS preform better, just the isolation of the chassis, power supply, overall superior construction and isolation of components etc. So YES the UMC-1, plus the UPA-7 will out perform ANY of the mentioned receivers, perhaps not with the absolute cutting edge standards, but for the $$ spent a Great Value per dollar. BTW... Their is a firmware upgrade available for the Anthem receivers which address a couple small issues, but overall I'd still take an MRX-700 over either the Onkyo or Denon units. Why? Anthem Room Correction, (the most accurate room EQ program available) 3 Year Warranty, Great Amplifier Head Room, stable to 3.2 Ohms, Anthem logic Music, Anthem logic Cinema, YES DESIGNED IN CANADA!!! Funny from 1986 to 1992 I was the ONKYO Factory Rep for S.CALIF. AZ. NV. So If you think the brand is a 'hard sell' today, You have NO Idea what I went thru... <EG> I still have a 'soft spot' for them today. Just to show that we All are different, I Can't Stand the sound of Yamaha receivers!!! YUCH!!! I cannot agree with this. In my case my old UMC-1/UPA-7 did not come anywhere near the performance my old 906 had. The 906 uses a better video upscaler(Reon HQV), has a true HDMI passthrough function, uses much better Burr Brown DACs, a working sub EQ, the amp section put out basically the same power at 8 ohms running 5-7 channels as the UPA-7, but did so without any audible crosstalk between channels, a much lower noisefloor with a higher S/N ratio, and it actually worked FLAWLESSLY. Now my 886 processor/XPA-5 combo itself out performs the 906 in every single aspect(since the 906 is basically an 886 lacking some functionality,features and an output xlr balance board), but at twice the retail price.
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Post by hammmerhead on Feb 2, 2011 19:32:24 GMT -5
2 different recievers with different output stages(5008 has more channels, less output devices per channel, same with the Integra models). Better off finding a 906 if you want an apples to apples comparison, which is what I currently still have as a backup unit. I personally like the Onkyo 906/Integra 9.9's better than the current 80.2/5008 since there are more output devices and power available per channel. The newer models with 9 channels basically spread the same power alloted to 2 extra channels. Anything past 7.1 is 100% worthless in my book as it is. If your not worried about "3D" switching through your HDMI switcher better off finding a mint condition or refurbed 906. Get it for ALOT less money, take the money saved upgrade other items in your HT setup. I just picked up my second PR SC886 processor, I paid basically $700 shipped for it with a year left remaining its its warranty still. Just got a 3D TV so whatever I buy will have to be 1.4. That Integra 9.9 sure lays down the power on the bench. I wonder how close the 5008 is power wise if those bench numbers are actually off?
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Post by ntrain42 on Feb 2, 2011 19:50:10 GMT -5
2 different recievers with different output stages(5008 has more channels, less output devices per channel, same with the Integra models). Better off finding a 906 if you want an apples to apples comparison, which is what I currently still have as a backup unit. I personally like the Onkyo 906/Integra 9.9's better than the current 80.2/5008 since there are more output devices and power available per channel. The newer models with 9 channels basically spread the same power alloted to 2 extra channels. Anything past 7.1 is 100% worthless in my book as it is. If your not worried about "3D" switching through your HDMI switcher better off finding a mint condition or refurbed 906. Get it for ALOT less money, take the money saved upgrade other items in your HT setup. I just picked up my second PR SC886 processor, I paid basically $700 shipped for it with a year left remaining its its warranty still. Just got a 3D TV so whatever I buy will have to be 1.4. That Integra 9.9 sure lays down the power on the bench. I wonder how close the 5008 is power wise if those bench numbers are actually off? The 80.2/5008 both put out an honest 80 watts rms all channels driven. That actually is nothing to sneeze at. For 2 channel audio your getting basically 150 watts at 8 ohms and 250 watts at 4 ohms. That trumps a UPA-2/5 or 7 for 2 channel audio, but the key thing is the crosstalk spec. is much better and so is the noisefloor. The 5008/80.2 is an excellent top tier AVR.
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Post by azsoundman on Feb 2, 2011 20:05:23 GMT -5
ntrain42; You miss my point... Quote: "Yes your use is perhaps 60% or more Audio (music) 40% or less Video." Also... Quote: "So YES the UMC-1, plus the UPA-7 will out perform ANY of the mentioned receivers, perhaps not with the absolute cutting edge standards, but for the $$ spent a Great Value per dollar." I'm NOT reffering at all to Video Processing, HDMI, etc. Perhaps NOT for You. BUT the key statement is: "VALUE FOR DOLLAR SPENT". We can agree to 'Disagree', However your opinion is just that, Your opinion. It did not come down on 'stone tablets' and your experiance may be different than that of others. In my 38 plus years of being IN the Audio/ Video business, I have learned that "Not all things matter to the same degree to each Individual". As I also said, "I have a soft spot still for ONKYO products" because I was Responsible for selling the line to dealers in my territory for 7 years! Your posts can be at the very least 'defensive' in nature, Remember not all statements are or should be considered a 'challenge'. The greatest thing about this business is its diversity of ideas and approaches in solving the quest for Audio/Video 'Nirvana'.
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Post by ntrain42 on Feb 2, 2011 20:11:06 GMT -5
2 different recievers with different output stages(5008 has more channels, less output devices per channel, same with the Integra models). Better off finding a 906 if you want an apples to apples comparison, which is what I currently still have as a backup unit. I personally like the Onkyo 906/Integra 9.9's better than the current 80.2/5008 since there are more output devices and power available per channel. The newer models with 9 channels basically spread the same power alloted to 2 extra channels. Anything past 7.1 is 100% worthless in my book as it is. If your not worried about "3D" switching through your HDMI switcher better off finding a mint condition or refurbed 906. Get it for ALOT less money, take the money saved upgrade other items in your HT setup. I just picked up my second PR SC886 processor, I paid basically $700 shipped for it with a year left remaining its its warranty still. Just got a 3D TV so whatever I buy will have to be 1.4. That Integra 9.9 sure lays down the power on the bench. I wonder how close the 5008 is power wise if those bench numbers are actually off? Your stating that 60/40 audio/video that seperates will outperform an AVR, and my point is, that this is not necessarily true. A UMC-1/UPA-7 for example is not necessarily a better deal than say a 906 which you can pick up for less money, regardless of the user focusing on audio OR video(or both). I think you missed my point.
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Post by hammmerhead on Feb 2, 2011 20:16:58 GMT -5
Just got a 3D TV so whatever I buy will have to be 1.4. That Integra 9.9 sure lays down the power on the bench. I wonder how close the 5008 is power wise if those bench numbers are actually off? The 80.2/5008 both put out an honest 80 watts rms all channels driven. That actually is nothing to sneeze at. For 2 channel audio your getting basically 150 watts at 8 ohms and 250 watts at 4 ohms. That trumps a UPA-2/5 or 7 for 2 channel audio, but the key thing is the crosstalk spec. is much better and so is the noisefloor. The 5008/80.2 is an excellent top tier AVR. I dont like the fact that the 5008 cant show 100 watts by 5 on paper when recievers at half the cost can. Heck the Integra is showing double the power X 5 and X 7 channels. You know in my eyes no one should expect much current when powering 9 channels, especially in a receiver, but any flagship receiver should be able to produce a 100 watts per channel at least X 5 .
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Post by azsoundman on Feb 2, 2011 20:33:30 GMT -5
Again; Ntrain you 'stretch the truth' in your zeal for performance. As 'Hammerhead' noted your implied power specs are not even backed up the same way you have stated them 'basically' even by Onkyo's own specifications. 150@8 Ohms, 250@ 4 Ohms. Please show me the ACTUAL stated specification by ONKYO that backs up your statement. Dynamic power means NOTHING.
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Post by ntrain42 on Feb 2, 2011 21:17:11 GMT -5
Again; Ntrain you 'stretch the truth' in your zeal for performance. As 'Hammerhead' noted your implied power specs are not even backed up the same way you have stated them 'basically' even by Onkyo's own specifications. 150@8 Ohms, 250@ 4 Ohms. Please show me the ACTUAL stated specification by ONKYO that backs up your statement. Dynamic power means NOTHING. www.hometheater.com/content/onkyo-tx-nr5008-av-receiver-ht-labs-measuresRead the first paragraph BELOW the graph for 2 channel power. It gives rms power at .1% and 1%. I quoted the .1% numbers.
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Post by hammmerhead on Feb 2, 2011 23:05:40 GMT -5
Again; Ntrain you 'stretch the truth' in your zeal for performance. As 'Hammerhead' noted your implied power specs are not even backed up the same way you have stated them 'basically' even by Onkyo's own specifications. 150@8 Ohms, 250@ 4 Ohms. Please show me the ACTUAL stated specification by ONKYO that backs up your statement. Dynamic power means NOTHING. www.hometheater.com/content/onkyo-tx-nr5008-av-receiver-ht-labs-measuresRead the first paragraph BELOW the graph for 2 channel power. It gives rms power at .1% and 1%. I quoted the .1% numbers. Here was my point. The Onkyo doesnt seem to show its muscle when 5 + channels are driven. I know there is a big debate over how they measure and how it is not a real time measurement, but Im still not convinced. The Integra clearly skunks the 5008 in these tests. Its so lopsided one can only wonder if something is "wrong" with these two bench readings. Onkyo 5008 HT Labs Measures Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads: 0.1% distortion at 79.1 watts 1% distortion at 95.5 watts Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads: 0.1% distortion at 78.7 watts 1% distortion at 94.6 watts Analog frequency response in Pure Direct mode: –0.08 dB at 10 Hz –0.03 dB at 20 Hz –0.06 dB at 20 kHz –2.68 dB at 50 kHz Integra 9.9: Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads: 0.1% distortion at 158.3 watts 1% distortion at 180.5 watts Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads: 0.1% distortion at 137.7 watts 1% distortion at 158.1 watts Analog frequency response in Direct mode: –0.07 dB at 10 Hz –0.02 dB at 20 Hz +0.06 dB at 20 kHz –2.50 dB at 50 kHz
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2011 23:43:56 GMT -5
Again; Ntrain you 'stretch the truth' in your zeal for performance. As 'Hammerhead' noted your implied power specs are not even backed up the same way you have stated them 'basically' even by Onkyo's own specifications. 150@8 Ohms, 250@ 4 Ohms. Please show me the ACTUAL stated specification by ONKYO that backs up your statement. Dynamic power means NOTHING. www.hometheater.com/content/onkyo-tx-nr5008-av-receiver-ht-labs-measuresRead the first paragraph BELOW the graph for 2 channel power. It gives rms power at .1% and 1%. I quoted the .1% numbers. humm bashes HT mags, but then come back to praise them when they have decent results on something he likes.
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Post by NorthStar on Feb 3, 2011 0:10:37 GMT -5
The 80.2/5008 both put out an honest 80 watts rms all channels driven. That actually is nothing to sneeze at. For 2 channel audio your getting basically 150 watts at 8 ohms and 250 watts at 4 ohms. That trumps a UPA-2/5 or 7 for 2 channel audio, but the key thing is the crosstalk spec. is much better and so is the noisefloor. The 5008/80.2 is an excellent top tier AVR. I dont like the fact that the 5008 cant show 100 watts by 5 on paper when recievers at half the cost can. Heck the Integra is showing double the power X 5 and X 7 channels. You know in my eyes no one should expect much current when powering 9 channels, especially in a receiver, but any flagship receiver should be able to produce a 100 watts per channel at least X 5 . First, I luv this thread and all the people in it with their opinions and vast experiences! That is real swell! Now! Between the Denon 4311 ($1,998.00 street), and the Onkyo 5008 ($1,599.00 street), the Onkyo is in my humble opinion the better deal! From reading few reviews here and there on those two receivers (I don't have personal 1st hand experience with the 4311 but I am familiar with Denon receivers; and I did play a bit with the 5008, thanks to my audio dealer). And from what I gathered, overall, the Denon 4311 will have some limitation in the lowest bass frequencies, plus at high volume levels, the soundtage in depth and width will also be limited! It does sound great, no question about that in its price range ($2,000). But it ain't the final resolution; that last touch od delicacy, extra resolution, definition in the bass, simply doesn't turn into magic! On the other side, the Onkyo 5008 is more resolute and much tighter in the low bass frequencies! It is very articulate, smoooth and with great vocals and space! It is a MUCH MORE powerful receiver! The dynamics are tremendous! The micro and macro dynamics are equally apt at defining the space of the recordings! I can talk and talk about that for hours, but I simply won't because I don't see the real valid point in it! It's all about personal Preference, and I'm not on one side more than another! I fully respect people's choice at the end! For me the best value/performace ratio in A/V Receivers right now is as follow: 1. Onkyo TX-NR3008 => $1,149 2. Onkyo TX-NR5008 => $1,599 3. Denon AVR-4311CI => $1,998 ~ Those three A/V Receivers all have Audyssey MultEQ XT32, Audyssey Sub EQ HT, Audyssey DSX, Audyssey Dynamic EQ & Volume! - Plus the Onkyos add THX Ultra2 Plus certification, and also ISF video certification. - The Denon is Audyssey MultEQ Pro Software/Installer Ready (with the additional Pro kit and the licence fee: $700 total). Now (4311 vs. 5008): * Build Quality -> Onkyo. * Sound Quality -> Both sound great, but Onkyo has an edge... * Best GUI & more options -> Denon. * Video parameter adjustments -> Onkyo. * Audio parameter adjustments -> Denon. * Best overall video picture -> Denon. * Ergonomics -> Onkyo. * Ethernet features -> Denon. * Value ($$) -> Onkyo. * Overall Features -> Equal (One has these, and the other one has those...) * Manual, Remote control & Ease of setup -> Onkyo. * Internal parts quality -> Onkyo. * Nicest look (front) -> Denon. * Nicest look (rear) -> Onkyo. * Overall Power -> Onkyo. * Best internal design and arrangement -> Onkyo. * Best integration with your PC -> Denon. * Best sound resolution at low, mid and high audio frequencies -> Onkyo. * Best support -> Denon. * Less issues -> Equal. *** OVERALL => I'd give the nod to the Onkyo! BUT! I totally respect and approve the people that pick the Denon! And that is my ____________________ P.S. The Integra DTR-80.2 (equivalent to the Onkyo TX-NR5008) adds some litlle touches like more refined Speaker Distances (0.2 foot increments versus 0.5 foot in the Onkyos), 15-band manual Graphic Equalzer vs. 7-band on the Onkyos, one year more warranty (3 vs. 2), uglier front face (in my book), more money because they are sold only from Integra audio dealers with support for Installs, and perhaps few small other things that in my book does NOT justify the large price difference! - The only reason that I can see the good in this is to have an Integra audio dealer that is also your friend, and have a great discount from him, with his service and support! ...But the great discount is more improbable than probable! If you can, BRAVO! GO FOR IT! ...And this is the end of my song!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2011 0:21:24 GMT -5
I think that if the Denon 4311 and the onkyo5008 were the same price, then it would make the decision a bit harder but with the prices where they stand, I'd probably go with the 5008, smash the front off of it and put the denon 4311's face on it
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Post by NorthStar on Feb 3, 2011 0:32:05 GMT -5
I think that if the Denon 4311 and the onkyo5008 were the same price, then it would make the decision a bit harder but with the prices where they stand, I'd probably go with the 5008, smash the front off of it and put the denon 4311's face on it Good point my friend! ...As it stands the MSRP (US dollars) is: 1. 4311 = $1,999 (street is $1,998)* 2. 3008 = $2,099 (street is $1,149)** 3. A100 = $2,499 (street is ?)* 4. 5008 = $2,699 (street is $1,599)** * The Denon receivers are overpriced in my book, and you might find a better price if you know how to deal, and the right places with the right people! {The Denon AVR-A100 is the 100th Anniversary Special Edition; very limited production.} ** Onkyo receivers are well known for their excellent value! __________________________ It's all up to EACH individual now, and their own personal priorities!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2011 0:41:53 GMT -5
I agree that Denon is overpriced. When I bought my 3311 the mrsp was $1499. I got it for around $800 (which is still better than most can get it). I have a friend who can get onkyo stuff at his cost, I was talking tonight and he's gonna get me a price on some 5008's to see what he can do. You can get the 4311 for under $1550 from quite a few places now Bob, in the states of course. powersellernyc.com/product/view/Denon%20-AVR4311CI-92-Channel-AV-Home-Theater-Receiver--26520.htmlI've seen people on avs getting them for under $1300 from 6th ave and a few other places after phoning.
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