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Post by NorthStar on Feb 3, 2011 1:02:37 GMT -5
That's why I made a special note on the Denon receivers prices, because they are advertised at the price I quoted, but you have to call to get a different price. * I know that even before it was released the 4311 was $1,500. ...And then later on the price went up! ** I am also familiar with the Onkyo receivers 'cost prices' to the audio dealers. *** I always look a dealer cost myself now! ...As opposed to what I did in the past when I was rich!  |
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Post by azsoundman on Feb 3, 2011 1:33:03 GMT -5
LORD...
Where are you getting a quote "Street Price" of $1149.00 for an Onkyo 3008?
Let alone $1599.00 for a 5008? Send me ONE Website that backs up your 'IMAGINARY' Prices Dude!
Jesus I'm a FRICK'N DEALER and I can't buy them DIRECT for That!! I DARE YOU!! Those prices are absolute BS!!! PROVE ME WRONG!!
SHOW US ALL YOUR DOCUMENTED PROOF and VERIFY IT!!
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Post by iceman66 on Feb 3, 2011 1:56:37 GMT -5
LORD... Where are you getting a quote "Street Price" of $1149.00 for an Onkyo 3008? Let alone $1599.00 for a 5008? Send me ONE Website that backs up your 'IMAGINARY' Prices Dude! Jesus I'm a FRICK'N DEALER and I can't buy them DIRECT for That!! I DARE YOU!! Those prices are absolute BS!!! PROVE ME WRONG!! SHOW US ALL YOUR DOCUMENTED PROOF and VERIFY IT!! Bob is Canadian, their math is different, you know 32 = 0 up in the great white north eh. |
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Post by hammmerhead on Feb 3, 2011 2:24:31 GMT -5
LORD... Where are you getting a quote "Street Price" of $1149.00 for an Onkyo 3008? Let alone $1599.00 for a 5008? Send me ONE Website that backs up your 'IMAGINARY' Prices Dude! Jesus I'm a FRICK'N DEALER and I can't buy them DIRECT for That!! I DARE YOU!! Those prices are absolute BS!!! PROVE ME WRONG!! SHOW US ALL YOUR DOCUMENTED PROOF and VERIFY IT!! I can get the Denon just under $1400 without a warranty. I can buy the 5008 for $1599 with a warranty. Free shipping on both. |
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Post by NorthStar on Feb 3, 2011 4:02:37 GMT -5
LORD... Where are you getting a quote "Street Price" of $1149.00 for an Onkyo 3008? Let alone $1599.00 for a 5008? Send me ONE Website that backs up your 'IMAGINARY' Prices Dude! Jesus I'm a FRICK'N DEALER and I can't buy them DIRECT for That!! I DARE YOU!! Those prices are absolute BS!!! PROVE ME WRONG!! SHOW US ALL YOUR DOCUMENTED PROOF and VERIFY IT!! The 3008* is at Amazon. ... $1,149.00=> Here: @ www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-NR3008-9-2-Channel-Network-Receiver/dp/B003UES8NE[Click on " See price in cart".] And the 5008 at NewEgg, on Saturdays only. ... $1,599.00* The 3008 is $1,126.00 also at NewEgg, and on Saturdays only! {NewEgg can also change their prices once in a while, but they will always be back with their lowest!} ________________ 1. I'm too old to play games with prices; I gave the true prices as advertised and I don't BS! 2. But know this though: one minute the price is EXACTLY as I said it was at the EXACT TIME I said it! But if the price changes 5 minutes after, don't blame me for having been ACCURATE 5 minutes ago! 3. I took your post on the good side!  ...Be nice with the Mystery Man! |
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Post by NorthStar on Feb 3, 2011 4:04:18 GMT -5
LORD... Where are you getting a quote "Street Price" of $1149.00 for an Onkyo 3008? Let alone $1599.00 for a 5008? Send me ONE Website that backs up your 'IMAGINARY' Prices Dude! Jesus I'm a FRICK'N DEALER and I can't buy them DIRECT for That!! I DARE YOU!! Those prices are absolute BS!!! PROVE ME WRONG!! SHOW US ALL YOUR DOCUMENTED PROOF and VERIFY IT!! Bob is Canadian, their math is different, you know 32 = 0 up in the great white north eh. No no no, USA dollars; I know very well the forum I'm in! * If Canadian people want to know the CANADIAN prices, that too I Know! |
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Post by NorthStar on Feb 3, 2011 4:24:51 GMT -5
LORD... Where are you getting a quote "Street Price" of $1149.00 for an Onkyo 3008? Let alone $1599.00 for a 5008? Send me ONE Website that backs up your 'IMAGINARY' Prices Dude! Jesus I'm a FRICK'N DEALER and I can't buy them DIRECT for That!! I DARE YOU!! Those prices are absolute BS!!! PROVE ME WRONG!! SHOW US ALL YOUR DOCUMENTED PROOF and VERIFY IT!! See, even our OP knows about it! {He actually knows better about the Denon 4311 than I; price wise!} * But Warranties are important for me and the people I like to recommend products to. I respect other people as I respect myself! ...And the advice I luv to receive is the one I give! |
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Post by Bruce on Feb 3, 2011 5:54:20 GMT -5
LORD... Where are you getting a quote "Street Price" of $1149.00 for an Onkyo 3008? Let alone $1599.00 for a 5008? Send me ONE Website that backs up your 'IMAGINARY' Prices Dude! Jesus I'm a FRICK'N DEALER and I can't buy them DIRECT for That!! I DARE YOU!! Those prices are absolute BS!!! PROVE ME WRONG!! SHOW US ALL YOUR DOCUMENTED PROOF and VERIFY IT!! The 3008* is at Amazon. ... $1,149.00=> Here: @ www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-NR3008-9-2-Channel-Network-Receiver/dp/B003UES8NE[Click on " See price in cart".] And the 5008 at NewEgg, on Saturdays only. ... $1,599.00* The 3008 is $1,126.00 also at NewEgg, and on Saturdays only! {NewEgg can also change their prices once in a while, but they will always be back with their lowest!} ________________ 1. I'm too old to play games with prices; I gave the true prices as advertised and I don't BS! 2. But know this though: one minute the price is EXACTLY as I said it was at the EXACT TIME I said it! But if the price change 5 minutes after, don't blame me for having been ACCURATE 5 minutes ago! 3. I took your post on the good side! ...Be nice with the Mystery Man! Bob: You are right on with your prices as I just purchased the Onkyo NR-3008 for $1149 at Amazon with free shipping!!!!! It took 4 days for me to receive the unit and the box was in great shape and was shipped by UPS.This is a FANTASTIC receiver and has to one of the best buy receivers on the market!!!! |
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Post by Bruce on Feb 3, 2011 5:58:11 GMT -5
LORD... Where are you getting a quote "Street Price" of $1149.00 for an Onkyo 3008? Let alone $1599.00 for a 5008? Send me ONE Website that backs up your 'IMAGINARY' Prices Dude! Jesus I'm a FRICK'N DEALER and I can't buy them DIRECT for That!! I DARE YOU!! Those prices are absolute BS!!! PROVE ME WRONG!! SHOW US ALL YOUR DOCUMENTED PROOF and VERIFY IT!! Please see my post and I can say the price is REAL and so I hope where you are buying from does a price ADJUSTMENT for you. |
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Post by Bruce on Feb 3, 2011 6:37:57 GMT -5
BOB and BILL MAC thanks for all your help and info for my 3008 receiver!!!
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Post by jmilton on Feb 3, 2011 7:21:20 GMT -5
Bob is Canadian, their math is different, you know 32 = 0 up in the great white north eh. No no no, USA dollars; I know very well the forum I'm in! * If Canadian people want to know the CANADIAN prices, that too I Know! ....so you're saying that Canada has its own currency? Do you take us for fools?  |
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Post by NorthStar on Feb 3, 2011 8:46:51 GMT -5
No no no, USA dollars; I know very well the forum I'm in! * If Canadian people want to know the CANADIAN prices, that too I Know! ....so you're saying that Canada has its own currency? Do you take us for fools? ;D |
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Post by NorthStar on Feb 3, 2011 8:47:34 GMT -5
BOB and BILL MAC thanks for all your help and info for my 3008 receiver!!! Bob & Bill!  |
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Post by 45acpauto on Feb 3, 2011 9:08:46 GMT -5
Trust me Train, far from abuse. I shut the DTR80.2 down with friggin B&W 683 towers in 2 ch. The amps in them blow, I play it with the Marantz SR7005 and it rocks, never shuts down. The Integras have always done this, for the past 9 years I have been selling them, they are week. Plus they only rate the amp section with 2 ch drivin, I wonder what they really make with all ch drivin. Again, hitting the limiter(shutting it down) means your well past the point of distortion. You have still yet to mention your idea of "reference level" but I know that it sure isnt a low volume. You don't give any real details other than "I hook them up,play the speakers at reference levels, and shut em down". That vagueness itself tells me your 99.999999% over driving them past their rms. I do question your ability to properly set up and match components as well. And just curious, why can't I shut down a speaker like a Magnepan with a ruler flat 4 ohm impedance curve on a $300 Onkyo, while your shutting down an 80.2 with a superior amp section with B&W/MK products with an impedance range from around 4 to over 16ohms? I'm sorry man, but your answers are extremely vague, lack details and give no reason to rule out user abuse whatsoever. Dude, if there limmiter is set that low thats sad. I play pinkfloyd the wall, with 2 ch with B&W 683'S AND IT'S NOT THAT LOUD AND THE UNITS SHUT DOWN. Let me ask you this? Why dont the Marantz shut down??? I play it way louder and it sounds cleaner. Your not talking to some idiot who dosent understand this stuff. Integras have always done this, I have been selling them for years Train. |
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Post by ntrain42 on Feb 3, 2011 9:36:12 GMT -5
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Post by ntrain42 on Feb 3, 2011 9:46:46 GMT -5
Here was my point. The Onkyo doesnt seem to show its muscle when 5 + channels are driven. I know there is a big debate over how they measure and how it is not a real time measurement, but Im still not convinced. The Integra clearly skunks the 5008 in these tests. Its so lopsided one can only wonder if something is "wrong" with these two bench readings. Onkyo 5008 HT Labs Measures Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads: 0.1% distortion at 79.1 watts 1% distortion at 95.5 watts Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads: 0.1% distortion at 78.7 watts 1% distortion at 94.6 watts Analog frequency response in Pure Direct mode: –0.08 dB at 10 Hz –0.03 dB at 20 Hz –0.06 dB at 20 kHz –2.68 dB at 50 kHz Integra 9.9: Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads: 0.1% distortion at 158.3 watts 1% distortion at 180.5 watts Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads: 0.1% distortion at 137.7 watts 1% distortion at 158.1 watts Analog frequency response in Direct mode: –0.07 dB at 10 Hz –0.02 dB at 20 Hz +0.06 dB at 20 kHz –2.50 dB at 50 kHz The problem here is your testing an Integra (9.9) which is basically an Onkyo 906 7 channel AVR, to a 9 channel unit. Not apples to apples. Find a test for an Integra 80.2 if you could, thats the current model. Remember too, for HT you rarely if ever have all channels driven at once. There was an article on HTS that showed that high dynamic movie content rarely pushed more than 2-3 channels hard in any one scene at any one time. But I myself wonder why the 5008 power numbers are down a bit from previous gen models because you are using the same PS/output board from the older units but now it has be reconfigured and tweaked for 9 channels instead of 7. I'll try and do a search on the AVS, I know there is a gentleman who tore into a 5008 and took alot of pics. Im very curious to see the amp section output boards........ |
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Post by ntrain42 on Feb 3, 2011 10:02:42 GMT -5
Again, hitting the limiter(shutting it down) means your well past the point of distortion. You have still yet to mention your idea of "reference level" but I know that it sure isnt a low volume. You don't give any real details other than "I hook them up,play the speakers at reference levels, and shut em down". That vagueness itself tells me your 99.999999% over driving them past their rms. I do question your ability to properly set up and match components as well. And just curious, why can't I shut down a speaker like a Magnepan with a ruler flat 4 ohm impedance curve on a $300 Onkyo, while your shutting down an 80.2 with a superior amp section with B&W/MK products with an impedance range from around 4 to over 16ohms? I'm sorry man, but your answers are extremely vague, lack details and give no reason to rule out user abuse whatsoever. Dude, if there limmiter is set that low thats sad. I play pinkfloyd the wall, with 2 ch with B&W 683'S AND IT'S NOT THAT LOUD AND THE UNITS SHUT DOWN. Let me ask you this? Why dont the Marantz shut down??? I play it way louder and it sounds cleaner. Your not talking to some idiot who dosent understand this stuff. Integras have always done this, I have been selling them for years Train. To be quite honest, the way you post sometimes, makes you sound like an idiot. And you could be deaf for all I know. And selling the gear doesn't mean you really know anything. Im just curious, why can I play "The Wall" at rock concert level output on true 4 ohm impedance Magnepan speakers all day and never get ANY of the Onkyo's I have to shut down? Yet you are doing it "Supposedly" with B&W 6 series speakers which are a cake walk in terms of impedance load compared to the maggies? Again, how did you set the Onkyo up, what settings are used? You don't give any details...........none. For all I know you could have 20 AVR's on one circuit breaker causing a brownout at your store. You could have poorly connected speakers, or a couple strads crossing terminals, that would cause a premature shutdown in itself. Go to HTS,AVS or Speaker Asylum, you never hear about Onkyo's or Denons or other AVR's really shutting down unless of a potential issue including. A. Shorted speaker wire, wire strands crossing positive and negative(at high volumes is where this will cause amp to shut down, at lower volumes a speaker many times will still play if its only a strand or 2). Your in a store, easy for wires to get damaged over time. B. Speaker connections corroded, loose......same as above. C. Did you set the AVR to the 4ohm setting? You never mentioned this and I wonder if you even do know the Onkyo/Integra product that well(because if I set my Maggies to the nominal rating instead of the 4ohm, then I can shut em down too after awhile at high volume. The current limiter is there for a reason.) D. Do your ears just suck? Its proven that some people can't even tell when amps or speakers begin to clip. Some people are even insensitive to distortion well beyond 10% surprisingly, even though the normal threshold to the trained ear is around 1%. E. When an AVR in question shut down, did you disconnect all the speaker leads, reset the unit and then turn it on and crank the volume to max to make sure it doesnt trip and there isnt an internal issue? Again, for someone who isn't an idiot, your answers here are never given with ANY detail whatsoever. You say your not an idiot, but your posts at times don't support your claim. And I'm not saying this to be rude or crass either. As for why your Marantz don't shut down? I don't know, Im not at your store, but the above reasoning above leads to multiple possibilities in the opposite manner. But I'd be willing to bet my life that the reason for the shut down is due to one of the reasons above. |
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Post by NorthStar on Feb 3, 2011 10:07:33 GMT -5
Again, hitting the limiter(shutting it down) means your well past the point of distortion. You have still yet to mention your idea of "reference level" but I know that it sure isnt a low volume. You don't give any real details other than "I hook them up,play the speakers at reference levels, and shut em down". That vagueness itself tells me your 99.999999% over driving them past their rms. I do question your ability to properly set up and match components as well. And just curious, why can't I shut down a speaker like a Magnepan with a ruler flat 4 ohm impedance curve on a $300 Onkyo, while your shutting down an 80.2 with a superior amp section with B&W/MK products with an impedance range from around 4 to over 16ohms? I'm sorry man, but your answers are extremely vague, lack details and give no reason to rule out user abuse whatsoever. What is Marantz's secret sauce? Their bottom copper plate casing? Their wiring magnetic rings? Their hyper-dynamic amplifer module (HDAM) analog stages? * I for one believe what you are saying. ...Up to a point, meaning I need more details... |
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Post by ntrain42 on Feb 3, 2011 10:11:45 GMT -5
Dude, if there limmiter is set that low thats sad. I play pinkfloyd the wall, with 2 ch with B&W 683'S AND IT'S NOT THAT LOUD AND THE UNITS SHUT DOWN. Let me ask you this? Why dont the Marantz shut down??? I play it way louder and it sounds cleaner. Your not talking to some idiot who dosent understand this stuff. Integras have always done this, I have been selling them for years Train. What is Marantz's secret sauce? Their bottom copper plate casing? Their wiring magnetic rings? Their hyper-dynamic amplifer module (HDAM) analog stages? * I for one believe what you are saying. I believe what he is saying too, I just don't think he knows the Integra product well, or well enough to set it up correctly and use it within its limits. Go to the AVS or HTS or wherever, you can find countless articles on people overheating and shutting down their Denon/Marantz/Pioneer/Onkyo AVRs etc in one form or another, 9 out of 10 times its from user abuse/stupidity. I've never shut down any reciever driving even low sensitivity 4 ohm loads when set up correctly. |
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Post by NorthStar on Feb 3, 2011 10:41:23 GMT -5
What is Marantz's secret sauce? Their bottom copper plate casing? Their wiring magnetic rings? Their hyper-dynamic amplifer module (HDAM) analog stages? * I for one believe what you are saying. I believe what he is saying too, I just don't think he knows the Integra product well, or well enough to set it up correctly and use it within its limits. Go to the AVS or HTS or wherever, you can find countless articles on people overheating and shutting down their Denon/Marantz/Pioneer/Onkyo AVRs etc in one form or another, 9 out of 10 times its from user abuse/stupidity. I've never shut down any reciever driving even low sensitivity 4 ohm loads when set up correctly. I shut down some receivers simply because my speakers with a low sensitivity of 84.5 dB and with an impedance of 4 ohms, plus my center speaker with a very wide dip down to 2.7 Ohms, plus my two surrounds (I was only using two at that time; well, plus two more Front Presence ones) at also of 4 Ohms impedance, plus the receiver pushing the 1 o'clock on the volume level dial, plus all my speakers set to full range, plus at 200 watts (true RMS watts) into 4 Ohms (and less from my center speaker) were getting a heck of a ride! ...So was I! ;D * The fan came on first, and then the receiver (RX-V2092; 44 pounds, big EI core transformer, two 71 Volts with 22,000 uF capacitance each regulator cap) simply shut totally down! Nada! I then put my hand on the top cover and it was HOT! But half an hour later or so, I was back in business and still trying to push it even further! ;D And I did too! But this time I used one sub, for the LFE, the center channel, and the two surrounds (actually four, with the two Front Effect speakers; now called the Front Presence Height speakers. The room was about 26 feet by 24 feet by 8 feet and open to three more rooms! The single sub has one 15" driver. And at my listening position with a Rat Shack meter (about 15 feet from the front speakers and sub) I was measuring 118 dBs from some DVDs! ;D I tried EVERYTHING; all speakers running Full Range with the Sub only for the LFE channel, only my two front mains set at Full Range and the other ones crossed at 90 Hz, all of them crossed at 90 Hz, EVERYTHING... I was experimenting with the limits of my setup, as I always do in life with EVERYTHING! ;D I guess I can say that I learned a lot from personal experience! And I did blew few tweeters and burn some subwoofer amps in my days! ;D But way before that I was much worse with Graphic Equalizers and Flaghip receivers! ;D LOUD is an understatement! Cops were on the stand by! Neighbours can hear me a mile away! Lots of booze too! And few (lots) of other things too... I got so many stories in my backyard you wouldn't believe it! ;D You gotta do what you gotta do! Or ain't worth living it to the fullest!But now I am much older (55 goin' 56) and I kind of cooled off a bit! ;D ...But the kid in me is always there and always will be! ;D I luv my hobby with deep stubbornness and an insatiable passion! ;D I wanna die being blown away! Radically! ;D N8DOGG? ;D |
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