Ert8.3 did i chose thr right speaker for me?

[panterapunch]

yeap i just pointed because as my english its not the best i dont wanna give a wrong mensaje

[monkumonku]

Oct 18, 2011 17:47:15 GMT -5 panterapunch said:

yeap i just pointed because as my english its not the best i dont wanna give a wrong mensaje

Hey, same goes for me, too! ;D

[NorthStar]

Oct 18, 2011 2:30:54 GMT -5 pop said:

Oct 18, 2011 1:54:21 GMT -5 NorthStar said:

Forget the amp, it's your speakers with your room! An amp won't change their sound!

I'm confused, the OP says his amp is from 1969. I was born in 1985, and even I have changed a lot since then. How can you be sure its the room? Did he specify dimensions? Obviously it is possible that the speakers are brand new and need time to break in. I'm not trying to come off of rude, just curious about your statement. Everything I have read, even before this forum, demand you have a powerful amp to push 4 ohm speakers. Are you sure the OP has his speakers set up right? I am interested to see what he has to say down the road.

Good luck Pantera, as I will be pushing ALL Emotiva speakers in the future. Blindly I might add. However, I have no past listening experiences to judge on. Lucky me

You sir have a very valid point! And for that you have my full respect.

* I'll be monitoring this thread very closely...

[panterapunch]

Well im back at home and all day thinking in your post and making deductions on my head
Well i think this is why audio is so interesting.

The news Great improvements in sound first i take out the surge protection and plug the old amp directly on the wall then change a little the position of the speakers and finaly when i was re conecting the speakers to the amp a little switch phase 0 - 180 mmm it was on 180
I said to my self. " my self this must be on 0 " and then i turn it to 0 phase put the cd and the old amp said here i go im not such crap as everybody thinks the bass its there the stage opened man its not a super high end sound but now sound pretty nice i can listen and enjoy lots more detail the volume its little higer i am not pushing it to much but at 1/3. Of the volume im getting 93 db at 2 mts of distance i guess its all the power that i must ask of the old one now im more relaxed i think there its alot to improve but well

Im happy because this is a sound wich i can enjoy till next emotiva sale and get the xpa-5 and keep building the system now i hope that after some use the sound keep improving

And im also happy because the old amp wich in fact was my first audio equipment can give some last battles. ;D and i think ill keep it with the infinitys for a second sistem

[NorthStar]

Oct 18, 2011 3:35:31 GMT -5 roadrunner said:

Oct 18, 2011 1:54:21 GMT -5 NorthStar said:

Forget the amp, it's your speakers with your room! An amp won't change their sound!

Bob,

You must have missed where the OP showed that his old amp had nearly the same output at 8 Ohms and 4 Ohms. Amps having a decent design will produce from 50% to 100% more output at a 4 Ohm load as it does with an 8 Ohm load. This alone should tell you this amp is not suited for driving 4 Ohm speakers like the Emotiva Reference Series speakers.

Now you also need to notice that the OP is used to driving Infinity speakers having an Efficiency Rating of 102 and that the ERT-8.3 is rated at 87. To produce the same volume level as the Infinity speaker, the OP would have to feed the 8.3s 32 times as much power... and that assumes his old amp is even able to drive a 4 Ohm load.

Bob, in this case, the amp most definitely does make a difference. A HUGE difference.

Yes Ronny, I missed that important piece of info, sorry.
You are, as others as well, totally right in your assessment.
I'm all in with you guys.

[geebo]

Oct 18, 2011 20:09:08 GMT -5 panterapunch said:

Well im back at home and all day thinking in your post and making deductions on my head
Well i think this is why audio is so interesting.

The news Great improvements in sound first i take out the surge protection and plug the old amp directly on the wall then change a little the position of the speakers and finaly when i was re conecting the speakers to the amp a little switch phase 0 - 180 mmm it was on 180
I said to my self. " my self this must be on 0 " and then i turn it to 0 phase put the cd and the old amp said here i go im not such crap as everybody thinks the bass its there the stage opened man its not a super high end sound but now sound pretty nice i can listen and enjoy lots more detail the volume its little higer i am not pushing it to much but at 1/3. Of the volume im getting 93 db at 2 mts of distance i guess its all the power that i must ask of the old one now im more relaxed i think there its alot to improve but well

Im happy because this is a sound wich i can enjoy till next emotiva sale and get the xpa-5 and keep building the system now i hope that after some use the sound keep improving

And im also happy because the old amp wich in fact was my first audio equipment can give some last battles. ;D and i think ill keep it with the infinitys for a second sistem

Glad to hear you got things straightened out. Still, I think you'll be even more pleased when you get some power behind those 8.3's

Cheers

[NorthStar]

Oct 18, 2011 3:50:51 GMT -5 pop said:

It was a late night inside the Emotiva forum. Francisco was in trouble, he needed help. When it seemed that no one would shed light on his problem, Chuckie and RR came blasting answers regardless of time or compensation. Meanwhile, Pop takes his last drink of 2009 Lange Pinot noir. A delicious moderately priced Pinot from the beautiful wooded state of Oregon (in case you were searching for a gem.) He cannot help but think to himself how valuable these two members have been to his own search of answers. Then, all of a sudden it became apparent. They were on the payroll for Emotiva!!! Yes, it all makes sense now.

HAHA, that's good stuff right there.

Great post, and perhaps too much Pina Colada last night for Bob! ;D

[panterapunch]

Yup definetly watts needed but well now i will sell my "special" tecnic to audiophiles because the sound its night and day jeje

Not but really thanks for all the help of the forum i was last nigh like man what i have done
But all knowledge in here saved me

Now ill open a bottle of malbec and enjoy a little and ill keep the post or open another one of the expirience of building the system by a non experienced aficionado perhaps my mistakes can help to others

[NorthStar]

Oct 18, 2011 16:23:55 GMT -5 panterapunch said:

hello sorry to post till now but has been a busy day at work.

Well i dont know if to be more afraid or not because well my budget for this is not unlimited like the solutions of buy 2 xpa-1 and you will listen the heaven its not posible right now to me and if i could do it, it will take away that boxie sound ?

now my original plan was to buy a xpa-5 and get my home teather done, but this would make the 8.3 sound decent?

i know that my infinity are super eficient speakers and my old gradiente moves them with easy and the emotivas are a very diferent animal, but i never spected get a lot of slp, but a decent sound and what bothers me its that even at 80 db was so plane the sound not linear but plane and dull. my room its small wood celing , stone floor its temporaly because im moving with my girlfriend next month ( so thats why i dont have a lot of money for this and well the pesos vs dollar diference)

i suspected the amp was not to the task but i didnt think it gonna be so terrible

i really preciate all your answers because last night i was like o what i have done and i got a lot of answers right away

Francisco,

I want to apologize for missing vital piece of info from your original first post (the amp).

You are a super cool dude, and I would love to be there in person where you are so I can help you from the best of my knowledge.

If I could see your room and your bank account, plus your girlfriend; that would give me a clear picture on your real situation. Take this in the most positive way Francisco.

You have my full 100% cooperation at helping you ALL THE WAY.

And all together here, with all the great friends and Lounge members, we will provide you with even more than what you ask for. That I give you my word.

Cheers,
Roberto

[NorthStar]

Oct 18, 2011 17:15:49 GMT -5 geebo said:

I have the 8.3's connected to an XPA-5 and I like them very very much.

Here you go Francisco! ...George (geebo), we can trust. ...Most honest person around.

[panterapunch]

Roberto i think im not worthy of all this coperation lol but maybe i can share with you a couple of bottles of wine.

[NorthStar]

I just finished reading this thread very carefully.

Here's my findings:

First, thank you everyone to not have panicked and jumped all over me because of my missing a piece of information, you guys are real class-act fellas.

Now, to you Francisco: easiest way to verify all there is to know about life , is to borrow a decent power amplifier, from a friend, or an audio dealer in your neighbourhood (or 'neighborhood'), and use it to power your ERT-8.3 loudspeakers.
Then I'm convince that your impression will now change for the better.

You do that my friend, and then report back to us, and we'll take it from there.
How that sounds Francisco?

Roberto

[panterapunch]

Sounds great man but well here in mexico dealers do not let you try the amps and my friends think im crazy for spend so much money in audio ( i know much money in audio for them is spend more than an ipod ) but im convinced to go for the xpa-5 an then ill keep posting

[NorthStar]

Oct 18, 2011 20:40:34 GMT -5 panterapunch said:

Roberto i think im not worthy of all this coperation lol but maybe i can share with you a couple of bottles of wine.

You are more than worthy, you are the main reason why we exist in the first place!

Without people like you, we are nothing man!

* But a nice bottle of wine, or two, sounds wonderful Francisco.

[NorthStar]

Oct 18, 2011 20:47:11 GMT -5 panterapunch said:

Sounds great man but well here in mexico dealers do not let you try the amps and my friends think im crazy for spend so much money in audio ( i know much money in audio for them is spend more than an ipod ) but im convinced to go for the xpa-5 an then ill keep posting

Where in Mexico are you?

* Frank, you can see an audio dealer, and explain to him exactly what you just told us here, and then give him a collateral (your car keys, or credit card, or girlfriend ), so you can borrow an amp from him just for the day, that's all.
And tell that audio dealer that Roberto said it was fine to do so.

** Yup, the XPA-5 should also do the trick very nicely indeed.

[geebo]

Oct 18, 2011 20:31:12 GMT -5 NorthStar said:

Oct 18, 2011 17:15:49 GMT -5 geebo said:

I have the 8.3's connected to an XPA-5 and I like them very very much.

Here you go Francisco! ...George (geebo), we can trust. ...Most honest person around.

Thank you, Bob.

[panterapunch]

Im from mexico city. And lol i think all your negotiation its not so good because its more expensive by far give him my girlfriend. I have in her a biger invest than in audio but maybe the line of roberto says its fine works ill try on weekend lol

[NorthStar]

Oct 18, 2011 21:03:15 GMT -5 panterapunch said:

Im from mexico city. And lol i think all your negotiation its not so good because its more expensive by far give him my girlfriend. I have in her a biger invest than in audio but maybe the line of roberto says its fine works ill try on weekend lol

I was in Mexico City back in 1977. We spent about two weeks there, right downtown.
I was with my girlfriend back then, Marlena (Marlene).

-> Now, let me ask you this Franky.

1. Do you intend to have a 2-channel Stereo only system or a Multichannel surround sound system?
Because you might not need the 5-channel XPA-5 amplifier.
But just a Stereo amp.

2. You are going to need a Preamp!
Or just plain Stereo, or Surround Sound Processor; depending on your goal(s).

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* I visited your link from your first original post, and carefully read all the specs.
Now, I won't go into all the details one by one, but instead I'm going to ask you to be the judge here, and you tell me what you see, and what you think:

A) Your actual Integrated Amplifier, Gradiente: PRO-2000 MKII, 1969-70 vintage:



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VS. B) Emotiva XPA-5 Power Amplifier, circa NOW:
==> {You need a preamp with this.}



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*** But like I said, you perhaps need only a Stereo amp (eg.; a pair of UPA-1 monoblocks, or an XPA-2), and also a Stereo preamp for Volume control, sources' switching, blah-blah-blah...

Comprende Franko?

[monkumonku]

Oct 18, 2011 20:31:12 GMT -5 NorthStar said:

Oct 18, 2011 17:15:49 GMT -5 geebo said:

I have the 8.3's connected to an XPA-5 and I like them very very much.

Here you go Francisco! ...George (geebo), we can trust. ...Most honest person around.

But what's good for the Geebo isn't necessarily good for the Francisco. ;D

[NorthStar]

Oct 18, 2011 22:08:01 GMT -5 monkumonku said:

Oct 18, 2011 20:31:12 GMT -5 NorthStar said:

Here you go Francisco! ...George (geebo), we can trust. ...Most honest person around.

But what's good for the Geebo isn't necessarily good for the Francisco. ;D

From what I can tell now, I'm sure Francisco will be on cloud nine, compared to his older setup.

Can he do better for the money? Perhaps not!

One thing is 100% sure though, it's that he is on the right track.

* I got the humor Rickie.