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Post by panterapunch on Oct 18, 2011 22:24:41 GMT -5
Well yeap poor old amp its not match for xpa-5 but well meanwile its doing his work. Now im planing to go home teather and later get a tube preamp to do music listening so first go with xpa-5 and maybe umc 1 and later get xpa-2 and tube preamp but well next year it will be home teather and stereo in one
I gues xpa-5 will be good for francisco to ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2011 22:30:14 GMT -5
Francisco, this is a good example for any member when posting to ask for help and advice. The more information you can provide in exact detail about your system and room, the better. In your original post you indicated that you were going to go for the Emo XPA-5 power amp and you wrote:
"..........i will use my old integrated amp (gradiente pro 2000 mk2 1978) as a pre amp.........."
Note that you said you were going to use the old Gradiente as a pre amp. You gave no indication that you might try to evaluate the performance/sound quality of the 8.3's using the Gradiente as the power amp. If I and others here had known, we would have warned you that it was a very poor amp to test out the 8.3's. Now you know that once you get the XPA-5 or XPA-2 to drive those 8.3's you will have a much improved opinion of them. ;D
(My advice is to forget the tube preamp)
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Post by NorthStar on Oct 18, 2011 22:48:11 GMT -5
Well yeap poor old amp its not match for xpa-5 but well meanwile its doing his work. Now im planing to go home teather and later get a tube preamp to do music listening so first go with xpa-5 and maybe umc 1 and later get xpa-2 and tube preamp but well next year it will be home teather and stereo in one I gues xpa-5 will be good for francisco to ;D Do you have a job!!! ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2011 22:52:07 GMT -5
Francisco, ..... You are a super cool dude ..... If I could see your room and your bank account, plus your girlfriend; that would give me a clear picture on your real situation ...... That I give you my word. Cheers, Roberto Francisco, Let me give you a little friendly advice from an old and very wise Americano. Don't let señor Roberto (LOTR ..... Señor de los Anillos) get near (within 100 kilometers of) your bank account or especially your girlfriend! Carlos de la tuerca ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by NorthStar on Oct 18, 2011 22:56:16 GMT -5
Francisco, ..... You are a super cool dude ..... If I could see your room and your bank account, plus your girlfriend; that would give me a clear picture on your real situation ...... That I give you my word. Cheers, Roberto Francisco, Let me give you a little friendly advice from an old and very wise Americano. Don't let señor Roberto (LOTR ..... Señor de los Anillos) get near (within 100 kilometers of) your bank account or especially your girlfriend! Carlos de la tuerca ;D ;D ;D ^ ROTFLMAO ;D ;D ;D ____________ P.S. Francis, tube preamp??? For what? |
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Post by panterapunch on Oct 18, 2011 23:10:28 GMT -5
Oh true the part of use my gradiente as amp was not the idea but who can get the speakers without testing them  now the plan stays almost the same wait if emotiva have a sale next halloween or black friday the xpa-5 and use the gradiente as pre or maybe go with de uMc 1 thats the first part of my plan then go with a 6.2 as center and erd as surround and stay like that for a time Then later get a subwofer and a dedicated stereo pream I was thinking on tubes because there is one guy here who makes really nice ones very nice sound. Thats my plan more less And thanks for the advice shurely not bank acount and definetly no girlfrien next To roberto lol all i got for him its wine lol |
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Post by panterapunch on Oct 18, 2011 23:13:30 GMT -5
And why not tube preamp? i was about to go the way of an integrated amp and small monitors like dali or something but emotiva won and now i want both worlds toguether
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Post by NorthStar on Oct 18, 2011 23:33:39 GMT -5
Oh true the part of use my gradiente as amp was not the idea but who can get the speakers without testing them now the plan stays almost the same wait if emotiva have a sale next halloween or black friday the xpa-5 and use the gradiente as pre or maybe go with de uMc 1 thats the first part of my plan then go with a 6.2 as center and erd as surround and stay like that for a time Then later get a subwofer and a dedicated stereo pream I was thinking on tubes because there is one guy here who makes really nice ones very nice sound. Thats my plan more less And thanks for the advice shurely not bank acount and definetly no girlfrien next To roberto lol all i got for him its wine lol ;D ;D ;D * Francisco, because you're from Mexico City, and because you're a member here at the Lounge, we'll take extra care of you my friend.  But know this though: right now you have a pair of Emotiva ERT-8.3 loudspeakers, I truly wish you would have a good quality amp and preamp too with them. And because a surround sound system is your goal (do you have a screen, TV?), the XPA-5 is an excellent choice as you'll be ready for that center and surround speakers down the road. And the UMC-1, yes, but with some reservation, depending on your personal use and the other components used in combination with it, in particular Cable Box & Satellite Box for Television watching (Standard and High Def.; SD & HD). Do you have a Blu-ray player, a DVD player? * You are speaking perfect 'Anglais' my friend. |
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Post by NorthStar on Oct 18, 2011 23:36:13 GMT -5
And why not tube preamp? i was about to go the way of an integrated amp and small monitors like dali or something but emotiva won and now i want both worlds toguether Hey why not!  |
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Post by panterapunch on Oct 18, 2011 23:51:51 GMT -5
Hehe tanks for the extra care, as i said im moving pretty soon and i will get a tv a 50 inch plasma or led that will depend on the sales down here and as blue ray it will be my ps3 and if i can later an oppo 93 but keep in mind i want to listen music to specialy i would say music its my main goal and home teather is like the pluss and ill try to make a cheap music server i have and old audigy. Sound card i want to point i will go step by step and if i slow down in one point still be able to listen music as now i got speakers and my old gradiente can give music later get the xpa5 and keep listening music in stereo while i get the processor
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Post by pop on Oct 19, 2011 0:30:27 GMT -5
I'm confused, the OP says his amp is from 1969. I was born in 1985, and even I have changed a lot since then. How can you be sure its the room? Did he specify dimensions? Obviously it is possible that the speakers are brand new and need time to break in. I'm not trying to come off of rude, just curious about your statement. Everything I have read, even before this forum, demand you have a powerful amp to push 4 ohm speakers. Are you sure the OP has his speakers set up right? I am interested to see what he has to say down the road. Good luck Pantera, as I will be pushing ALL Emotiva speakers in the future. Blindly I might add. However, I have no past listening experiences to judge on. Lucky me  You sir have a very valid point! And for that you have my full respect. * I'll be monitoring this thread very closely... I am learning from the best! I am running out of patience with setting up my system. I live in an apartment right now. My neighbors are illegals. They usually don't have much to complain about. I think I might just set it up and let her rip! I need those 6.3s to get in stock. |
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Post by richtx6 on Oct 19, 2011 2:23:53 GMT -5
Guys, I was trying to be of some help by saying just listen for a while and you'll see how good they are for a mid-fi speaker at the price point.
I've listened to my 8.3's for the last month and am finding they still sound like BOXES. The high end is muted, the midrandge yells at you and the bass is, well OK.
These are good home theater speakers but not audiophile listening quality.
The good thing about them is they are like a Nymphomaniac with power, you can just keep throwing it to them.
Glad to have the Martin Logans back in service for real listening.
I'm using xpa1's so plenty of power. Good home theater speakers
If you like it loud they do the trick.
They'll make good bedroom speakers.
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Post by cgolf on Oct 19, 2011 7:39:18 GMT -5
Speakers are sooooo subjective. That's why there are so many brands and configurations. The musical ear is like a fingerprint I think. Everyone's different.
Haven't owned the 8.3s but I have owned the 6.1s, 6.2s and 6.3s and they were all good speakers. Still have a 6.3 as my center. BUT personally I prefer my Axiom M80s. I'm probably the only person here who does, but I don't care. I like them. ;D
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Post by roadrunner on Oct 19, 2011 11:54:59 GMT -5
Speakers are sooooo subjective. That's why there are so many brands and configurations. The musical ear is like a fingerprint I think. Everyone's different. Haven't owned the 8.3s but I have owned the 6.1s, 6.2s and 6.3s and they were all good speakers. Still have a 6.3 as my center. BUT personally I prefer my Axiom M80s. I'm probably the only person here who does, but I don't care. I like them. ;D Ahh, to each his own. Some people even liked the Bose 901s, if you can fathom that. ;D Each room has unique acoustic properties, so even the same speaker can sound entirely different depending on the room it is setup in. Flat panel speakers have some wonderful sounds that are hard to surpass, but they also are cursed with limitations that must be balanced out when choosing between a flat panel vs traditional cone/box speakers. All speakers have their own strengths and weaknesses. The buyer has to evaluate which speaker best meets their expectations within their home, in their listening room, and with their combination of equipment. Some people love Panel speakers, others hate them; some people like speakers with very bright treble, other find they unbearable and fatiguing. Choosing speakers is the single most subjective task in building a HT. The only thing that is important is whether the owner likes what he/she hears. |
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Post by NorthStar on Oct 19, 2011 13:12:10 GMT -5
Recommending a pair of loudspeakers to someone is like recommending him/her a wife! ;D
Can you really do that?
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Post by cgolf on Oct 19, 2011 13:37:01 GMT -5
If my first 2 wives hadn't been recommended to me, I'd be a lot wealthier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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Post by monkumonku on Oct 19, 2011 13:43:03 GMT -5
If my first 2 wives hadn't been recommended to me, I'd be a lot wealthier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D Then you'd be on the Bryston forum sipping Montrachet and having caviar, instead of here with your Boone's Farm and fishsticks. ;D |
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Post by NorthStar on Oct 19, 2011 14:00:54 GMT -5
^ ;D ;D
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Post by formula1 on Oct 31, 2011 17:03:56 GMT -5
I too recently purchased the ERT-8.3's and can tell you that they definitely like a robust amplifier. I have a Marantz MM8003 rated at 140 WPC @ 8 ohms and I can vouch foor the fact that the ERT-8.3's 4 ohm load presents a challenge even to those fairly impressive specs. I find my volume knob well past half way to achieve the same listening levels that my old speakers achieved with 2/3's of a twist to the volume setting. That all being said that's a pretty hefty volume level that both my wife and 2 year old seldom allow, but it does confirm that these babies like power. But I can also say that after about a month's worth of breaking in they are coming into their own. And while I liked them much better than my old Cambridge SoundWorks Newton T500 Towers right out of the box, I can honestly say I am starting to love them now. Now, they'll never match the unparralled transparency and seemless imaging og a good electrostatic like the Martin Logans. However, nor will they match much higher asking price I very much considered the ML's myself, but given my wife and 2 year old and our family budget...well...need I say more? 'P'ower, 'P'ositioning and 'P'atience...get those three things in balance and I think you'll find your way to true happiness with your ERT-8.3's |
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Post by BillBauman on Oct 31, 2011 17:14:14 GMT -5
Im from mexico city. And lol i think all your negotiation its not so good because its more expensive by far give him my girlfriend. I have in her a biger invest than in audio but maybe the line of roberto says its fine works ill try on weekend lol Hola, Francisco. Estaba en CD (Zona Rosa y despues de eso San Angel) la mez pasada. Voy a regresar en el futuro, pero no soy seguro cuando exactamente. Si querias, podemos reunirnos mientras estoy alli. Digame si te gustaria. oh, y lo siento si hay muchos erores en mi espanol. Pense que unos de nosotros aqui debemos tratar de hablar espanol con ti. |
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now the plan stays almost the same wait if emotiva have a sale next halloween or black friday the xpa-5 and use the gradiente as pre or maybe go with de uMc 1 thats the first part of my plan then go with a 6.2 as center and erd as surround and stay like that for a time Then later get a subwofer and a dedicated stereo pream 
