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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 15, 2014 5:59:08 GMT -5
I am an upa-7 owner and have been waiting for the big 7 channel amp for years(XPA or XPR). 200wpc for I'm guessing $1200 does not impress me. Doubling your power on up from 1 watt to 2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512 makes me think around 256wpc would be the next logical step. Maybe that is just me picking out an arbitrary number, I guess more power is always good but paying $600 more or double the price of the upa-7 for 75 more wpc really makes me wonder if its worth it for me. Would it be a noticeable performance upgrade? I do realize prices will go up as the watts do too. I will really have to think about it. Out of my 4 pieces of emo equipment I have only been been impressed and happy with the upa-7. I am really hoping that that will change in the near future with their new products. I first learned of the XPA-7 from a UPA-7 owner who was interested in moving up, but your needs may be different. 256 is arbitrary, the rating is usually determined by where they can get a clean distortion figure, but 200 WPC would make sense if they plan on using the same amp modules as the XPA-5 (which also makes economic sense). Maybe an XPR-7 or used 7-350 would give you the power you're looking for, but anywhere from $1200 to $1500 would still be a very good price for an amp with these capabilities. Since you're happy with the UPA-7 maybe just stick with it. |
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Post by Erwin.BE on Jul 15, 2014 16:20:05 GMT -5
I just want to express that I would be interested in buying two XPA-7 for our HT in progress. There will be 11 speakers of which the front 3 will be actively bi-amped, hence needing 14 amp-channels in total. No need for 400 Watt / channel since the speakers are at least 96 db / Watt efficient.
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Post by spy8181 on Jul 26, 2014 13:49:46 GMT -5
[/quote]I had similar doubts with upgrading from AVR with 120 wpc to "only" 200 wpc with an XPA-5. In between I had an XPA-2 / XPA-300 combo and with the XPA-2 having 300 watts per channel I was a bit concerned about dropping to "only" 200 wpc.
The difference is the XPA-5, while rated at "only" 200 wpc (all channels driven) can do 275 wpc with 2 channels driven and 300 watts from one channel. Even in the most complex of movies I can't see there ever being 200 watts simultaneously needed from all 5 channels. So when the soundtrack requires 300 watts from one channel or even 275 watts from 2 channels, the XPA-5 delivers.
As a result of my real world experiences I no longer look at a simple wpc (all channels driven) as being an indicator of how much grunt the amp will have. The XPA-5 has plenty of power in reserve to provide that slam, impact, punch etc and I see no reason to doubt that an XPA-7 will have similar.
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I am very aware of how the multichannel amps work that's why I am a fan of them. The upa-7 at 4 ohms acd measures 185wpc. At 4ohm 2ch its 240wpc and dynamically its up to 320 2ch. It has really beefy capacitance. I run mine at 8ohms though. That's why until I am Mr. Moneybags I will only have one amp for both 2ch and multi ch. My point was more to the fact that going from 125wpc to 200wpc is what, a 1.6db gain? For me that why I have to make that decision if it ever comes out. If my math is right you dropping from 300 to 200 wpc was also only a 1.5db drop. Just as a note my mains suggested power per channel is 50 - 500wpc.
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Post by ludi on Jul 26, 2014 13:54:11 GMT -5
Any new products out and about for some photo ops  Chad XPA-7  Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk For those who are interesed, an XPA-7 is on show in Chicago. |
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Post by garbulky on Jul 26, 2014 16:05:34 GMT -5
I'm a little surprised they are coming out with this as I remember they discontinued the UPA-7 due to lack of sales and consumer interest. Hopefully these will sell better. If the specs are up to snuff, they will sell. If it's not better then the Sherbourn PA-7 350 then I don't think it will be a winner. if the specs out preform said amp,,,,,,they won't be able to make them fast enough. my $0.03 worth. The sherbourne was essentially the XPR-7 imo. AS the number of channels go up, the output per channel tends to drop in the series. 150 wattsX7 is probably a more realstic guess. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 26, 2014 16:22:57 GMT -5
If the specs are up to snuff, they will sell. If it's not better then the Sherbourn PA-7 350 then I don't think it will be a winner. if the specs out preform said amp,,,,,,they won't be able to make them fast enough. my $0.03 worth. The sherbourne was essentially the XPR-7 imo. AS the number of channels go up, the output per channel tends to drop in the series. 150 wattsX7 is probably a more realstic guess. But that's also because they've hit the limits of a 20 amp circuit. 7x200 isn't even pulling as much as an XPR-5 (400x5), they could probably do it on a 15A circuit - though the 4 ohm rating might suffer. They're adding another RU for more boards and a bigger power supply, and Dan originally posted 7x200. I think they'll do it. |
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Post by Jim on Jul 26, 2014 17:14:48 GMT -5
XPA-7 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk For those who are interesed, an XPA-7 is on show in Chicago. I saw it at Emofest. I would think it's coming soon - especially if they're stil showing it. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 26, 2014 17:27:42 GMT -5
For those who are interesed, an XPA-7 is on show in Chicago. I saw it at Emofest. I would think it's coming soon - especially if they're stil showing it. I agree, they've shown it two shows in a row now, did you get any specs or specifics? |
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Post by Jim on Jul 26, 2014 17:33:41 GMT -5
I saw it at Emofest. I would think it's coming soon - especially if they're stil showing it. I agree, they've shown it two shows in a row now, did you get any specs or specifics? I wish I did. All they had was the usual little ID card. If anyone knows anything about it from Emofest, it should be in klinemj's Emofest notes (in the green room I think). I'm on my phone - otherwise id check. I would imagine the specs haven't changed much from what have been rumored the last year or two. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 26, 2014 17:35:30 GMT -5
I agree, they've shown it two shows in a row now, did you get any specs or specifics? I wish I did. All they had was the usual little ID card. If anyone knows anything about it from Emofest, it should be in klinemj's Emofest notes (in the green room I think). I'm on my phone - otherwise id check. I would imagine the specs haven't changed much from what have been rumored the last year or two. Oh, sorry I misread, I thought you were at the road show. |
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Post by Jim on Jul 26, 2014 17:38:18 GMT -5
Sorry. Nope.
I looked up the notes, and it looks like the XPA-7 really has no concrete information..
I feel an announcement is due. "Soon" was in 2012
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Post by novisnick on Jul 26, 2014 17:57:49 GMT -5
XPA-7
Why is it not for sale,,,,,, ? Oh, it would have a discounted introductory price,,,,,II could live with that,,,,he,,,,,,he,,,,,,he,,,,,, 
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Post by dally on Jul 26, 2014 18:36:26 GMT -5
If the specs are up to snuff, they will sell. If it's not better then the Sherbourn PA-7 350 then I don't think it will be a winner. if the specs out preform said amp,,,,,,they won't be able to make them fast enough. my $0.03 worth. The sherbourne was essentially the XPR-7 imo. AS the number of channels go up, the output per channel tends to drop in the series. 150 wattsX7 is probably a more realstic guess. Basically what you're describing was the sherbourne PA 7-150. Looked like an XPA-5 with two extra channels added. Same size power supply and capacitance as the XPA-5. The XPA-7 looks like a whole different animal. 5ru and bigger power supply. |
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Post by sct on Jul 26, 2014 21:44:03 GMT -5
In May, 2012 Big Dan wrote: "You know it's a coming.... XPA-7.... 7x200 RMS, all channels driven. Soon."
And this is a perfect example of why I no longer trust *anything* they say when it comes to release dates. He made this pronouncement 26 months ago. In my mind, the term soon means, you know, soon. Over 2 years and still not available is hardly "soon". It's an amp, for Pete's sake, what's the hold up?
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Post by jking on Jul 26, 2014 22:37:35 GMT -5
I have the Sherbourn 7-350 running 4 of the channels to my B&W 804s speakers. I would not want a smaller amp after using the bigger amp against the 150 wpc that I had been using. They could have re-badged the Sherbourn and kept selling it IMO. One of the selling points was that they had reworked the Amp to meet Emotiva's goals and I can say it is one great sounding Amp. I already had a dedicated line run for my Amps and one for the rest of the gear so a 20 amp circuit was not a problem. Now all I need is one more 2 channel amp for the back surround channels.
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Post by jonas79 on Jul 29, 2014 13:56:50 GMT -5
In May, 2012 Big Dan wrote: "You know it's a coming.... XPA-7.... 7x200 RMS, all channels driven. Soon." And this is a perfect example of why I no longer trust *anything* they say when it comes to release dates. He made this pronouncement 26 months ago. In my mind, the term soon means, you know, soon. Over 2 years and still not available is hardly "soon". It's an amp, for Pete's sake, what's the hold up? SCT Release dates are not Emotivas strong point. But i think it is coming soon because of the showing on 2 events there in the States. I hope before Christmas are here but only time will show that in the end. |
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Post by novisnick on Jul 31, 2014 0:40:14 GMT -5
XPA-7
Why is it not for sale,,,,,,? Oh, it would have a discounted introductory price,,,,,II could live with that,,,,he,,,,,,he,,,,,,he,,,,,, Bet it goes on sale Friday!!!,,,,,any takers,,,,,he,,,he,,,, |
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Post by jonas79 on Jul 31, 2014 7:14:51 GMT -5
XPA-7
Why is it not for sale,,,,,,? Oh, it would have a discounted introductory price,,,,,II could live with that,,,,he,,,,,,he,,,,,,he,,,,,, Bet it goes on sale Friday!!!,,,,,any takers,,,,,he,,,he,,,, I take that bet but against a sale tomorrow ! |
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Post by ocezam on Aug 1, 2014 22:20:04 GMT -5
Release dates are not Emotivas strong point. That's a gross understatement. Fortunately it's really only a problem for us overzealous forum members. I can't count the threads and posts of irate forum members concerning the launch of the XMC-1. Heck that's been going on almost as long as I've been here. It never made any sense to me. Of course I'm really not into multi-channel. On the other hand, I've been waiting for some tube products for almost a year and a half. Now that is a SERIOUS PROBLEM. Really, Emotiva's release date faux pas are not a problem for the general public. It's only an issue with people with no life, like me, and maybe you. Peace. |
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Post by jonas79 on Aug 2, 2014 15:57:53 GMT -5
Release dates are not Emotivas strong point. That's a gross understatement. Fortunately it's really only a problem for us overzealous forum members. I can't count the threads and posts of irate forum members concerning the launch of the XMC-1. Heck that's been going on almost as long as I've been here. It never made any sense to me. Of course I'm really not into multi-channel. On the other hand, I've been waiting for some tube products for almost a year and a half. Now that is a SERIOUS PROBLEM. Really, Emotiva's release date faux pas are not a problem for the general public. It's only an issue with people with no life, like me, and maybe you. Peace. I can only agree with you. Have left emotiva for a time with updates and came back this spring. To release the Xmc-1 processor with things left to do and not full spec after so long time is a fail in my way to think. I will not buy for the potential unit it can be. But when the Xpa-7 g2 amplifier releases i will most likely buy it. |
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