RMC-1

[Erwin.BE]

I feel this deserves it's own thread. This old rendering maybe a tentative, but hey!

"The Reference pre/pro was not present, but it will include more than 7 channels, likely 9.3; will include TI-based processor, and be $2500-$3000."

And: "RMC-1: 9.3 processor. $2,500-$3,000. All out assault. Will compete with anything up to 20k."

ETA: "Lonie mentioned possibly Summer 2013"

Those are the "facts". And I want one because it will make my XPR-5 really happy. ;D

[Erwin.BE]

From Cedia 2010...

Ofcourse, it will be 9.3 (or more) where the PMC in the pic was to be 7.2.

If I have a vote I would prefer 11.2 ofcourse.

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[Topend]

Does the .3 seem odd?

Dave.

[vitruvian]

I think this processor could well have me leap frog the XMC and wait for a while at least.

However, given the timeline of an XMC release in December without TaCT, I think that a mid-2013 release for the RMC is perhaps a little optimistic. That said, it seems like it would be such a beast that it is highly enticing.

The 40% card from my UMC would equate to a saving of $1,200!

[jerrin]

I'll just repost this here due to the dedicated thread.


1) More advanced version of TACT.

2) Upgraded DACs. Likely top-of-the-line Burr Brown on each channel.

3) "Ultimate hot rodded analog section."

4) 9.3 (or 9.2, I got conflicting info)

5) Fully balanced throughout, on ALL channels.

6) Will be able to stream directly to the DACs.

7) Likely release next Summer.

8) Two extra processing cores/units needed for the upgraded TACT.

9) Was told this was designed to compete with $15-25K processors. I mentioned the Casablanca and they smiled.

10) Will have upgraded "sexy" chassis.


I asked a lot of questions about the RMC-1. ;D Seeing old friends, it, and the TACT demo were pretty much my reasons for going.

[cwt]

Sept 2, 2012 17:56:48 GMT -5 Topend said:

Does the .3 seem odd?

Dave.

Ide expect at least 2 lfe channels Dave . The configurability of the denon avp-a1 looks similar ;its 9.3 too

One things for sure the extra 2 channels over the xmc1 will come in handy for dolby atmos/ auro 3d if the xmc1 doesnt get a retrofit eventually. More channels the better ;always assign other zones depending

6) Will be able to stream directly to the DACs.

Curious if this will require say dbpoweramp's asset transcoding the codecs to lpcm for the dacs or if it can accept straight flac and decode it ? Fascinating stuff and I bet it handles multichannel hope so anyway ..

Fully balanced throughout, on ALL channels

Not easy duplicating the signal path ;very exxy nice.

That must be its multi analog input only maybe ;there wouldnt be enough real estate on the back for 9.3 xlr's would there on second thoughts ...

[Erwin.BE]

jerrin,

I like what you wrote!

Thanks.


9.3:
Maybe, just guessing, there's a limit to 12 channels, hence the 9.3. A high end pre-pro needs to be able to callibrate at least 2 subs since the second sub has to be the first upgrade beyond 5.1, period. That leaves 10 channels for main speakers and 10 is not supported. Although I like the idea of just one Back Surround and two each Wide and Height which makes 10 in total. And you'd need "only" two XPR-5...

+ The Denon AVP (9.3 also) has no successor...

My preference ranks like this:
1/ 11.2
2/ 10.2
3/ 9.3

But I'd buy one anywhich way! I had my mind set on the Marantz AV8801 (upcoming 11.2) since I did not aspected Emotiva to come trough with more than 7.2. I will wait!

[Erwin.BE]

Sept 2, 2012 23:12:47 GMT -5 vitruvian said:

The 40% card from my UMC would equate to a saving of $1,200!

Yup, I asked to quote me the UMC-1 with freight... ;D

[cwt]

Sept 4, 2012 15:52:36 GMT -5 Erwin.BE said:

9.3:
Maybe, just guessing, there's a limit to 12 channels, hence the 9.3. A high end pre-pro needs to be able to callibrate at least 2 subs since the second sub has to be the first upgrade beyond 5.1, period. That leaves 10 channels for main speakers and 10 is not supported. Although I like the idea of just one Back Surround and two each Wide and Height which makes 10 in total. And you'd need "only" two XPR-5...

+ The Denon AVP (9.3 also) has no successor...

My preference ranks like this:
1/ 11.2
2/ 10.2
3/ 9.3

But I'd buy one anywhich way! I had my mind set on the Marantz AV8801 (upcoming 11.2) since I did not aspected Emotiva to come trough with more than 7.2. I will wait!

Wouldnt touch the denon myself Erwin ; its more than double the RMC's price down here and I doubt it will get any more upgrades .

Using it as an example due to its sub configurability which includes stereo subs + lfe which may equate to jerrin's .2 or .3 scenario ? I think Halcro has assignable auxilliary a/b xlrs's which can settup stereo subs as well ; maybe the RMC can configure something similar for other channels ?

If the xmc1 has more upgradeability than NAD the RMC1 may get slide in cards ala meridian 800 for extra channels; or send in for new retrofitted boards ? . Whats the bet this pre is the reason the xmc1 only got 1 hdmi output ?? Can certainly wait for 2 ;D

[rogersch]

Sept 5, 2012 1:02:36 GMT -5 cwt said:

Sept 4, 2012 15:52:36 GMT -5 Erwin.BE said:

Using it as an example due to its sub configurability which includes stereo subs + lfe which may equate to jerrin's .2 or .3 scenario ?

Might be very tempting for me. My XTZ 99.38 MKII allows to drive the woofers via a seperate amp without any passive filtering. This would mean I need to build two more Hypex NCore amps

[cwt]

Sept 5, 2012 2:30:20 GMT -5 rogersch said:

Might be very tempting for me. My XTZ 99.38 MKII allows to drive the woofers via a seperate amp without any passive filtering. This would mean I need to build two more Hypex NCore amps

Lovely speakers rogersch ; true bi amping not to mention tri ampable Google translated external x overs ; maybe the RMC will have these built in for the low pass x overs ? Noticed you can do it the easy way with this;

Sub Amp 1 DSP

Not the same satisfaction as building it yourself though

Opens up other possibilities even if you have to have outboard xovers . Must say emotiva is on the right track with this pre pro rollout ; so many ce's arent game to expand their horizons to other price points in this economy and some cant even offer 1 ...

[rogersch]

Sept 5, 2012 6:02:49 GMT -5 cwt said:

Lovely speakers rogersch ; true bi amping not to mention tri ampable Google translated external x overs ; maybe the RMC will have these built in for the low pass x overs ?

I'm satisfied with these speakers although as surround (back) they might be a bit overkill..
I've the second generation with higher quality x-over filters and they are now internally. Tri-amping is still possible but I find three NCore amplifiers per speaker a bit overkill...

[jdskycaster]

I will most likely wait for this one as well. Looks to be very close to exactly what I have been looking for in a pre-pro. Here's hoping for a ship date sometime next year!

[Erwin.BE]

Sept 5, 2012 1:02:36 GMT -5 cwt said:

Sept 4, 2012 15:52:36 GMT -5 Erwin.BE said:

9.3:
Maybe, just guessing, there's a limit to 12 channels, hence the 9.3. A high end pre-pro needs to be able to callibrate at least 2 subs since the second sub has to be the first upgrade beyond 5.1, period. That leaves 10 channels for main speakers and 10 is not supported. Although I like the idea of just one Back Surround and two each Wide and Height which makes 10 in total. And you'd need "only" two XPR-5...

+ The Denon AVP (9.3 also) has no successor...

My preference ranks like this:
1/ 11.2
2/ 10.2
3/ 9.3

But I'd buy one anywhich way! I had my mind set on the Marantz AV8801 (upcoming 11.2) since I did not aspected Emotiva to come trough with more than 7.2. I will wait!

Wouldnt touch the denon myself Erwin ; its more than double the RMC's price down here and I doubt it will get any more upgrades .

Using it as an example due to its sub configurability which includes stereo subs + lfe which may equate to jerrin's .2 or .3 scenario ? I think Halcro has assignable auxilliary a/b xlrs's which can settup stereo subs as well ; maybe the RMC can configure something similar for other channels ?

If the xmc1 has more upgradeability than NAD the RMC1 may get slide in cards ala meridian 800 for extra channels; or send in for new retrofitted boards ? . Whats the bet this pre is the reason the xmc1 only got 1 hdmi output ?? Can certainly wait for 2 ;D

I don't aspect that Emotiva will enable true hardware upgrades, not even for the RMC-1. That's why the processor upgrade certificate is there: so you can buy the next generation for a modest price. BTW: the upgrade of the AVP alone is 1,200! If you can buy the RMC-1 with 40% off, than you would only pay 1,800 if the list price is 3,000.

I do like the Denon, but even with the upgrade, it's still a 2008 design. For example: the upcoming Marantz AV8801 will do 11.2 and has far better streaming capabilities. But if had a AVP, I would be happy with the upgrade.

Regarding the .3 on the AVP: I have been reading comments where the users had issues with callibrating more than one sub using XT32. They ended up summing them to .1
I already have two subs ready, but since these are both supposed to be falnking the center speaker, I am thinking of adding a third double woofer sub at the rear later. But .2 would be enough since I can sum the two front subs together (same distance from MLP) so there would be essentially two twin-subs at each end of the HT.

And since my seven or nine floorstanders will each have twin 10" or 12" (LCR), I don't need stereo subs since I presume they will go as low as 45 Hz without a sweat. Papers advocating stereo subs show "some" directivity is possible from 45 Hz upwards. so I solve this issue not with stereo subs, but with big woofers in my mains. Dolby® Atmos™ is proposing 3 different sub channels, but two of those are used near the rear corner to do below 100Hz bass duties to complement the surrounds which are usualy only usable from 100Hz upwards. 100 hz is certainly detectable, hence the 3 channels.

It would be wise business decision IMO to do as many channels as possible. If you support, say DTS neo:X, then you might as well go all the way and offer 11.2 possibility. The Onkyo PR-SC5510 will also be 11.2 coming from the PR-SC5509 with 9.2. Hence introducing a 9.2 pre-pro in 2013 will be regared "old school" by some, regardless of sound quality!

[Deleted]

This is the processor I wanted Emo to make. When it is released, it will be about time for my processor upgrade. I am going to bypass the XMC-1 and this will be a top contender if it ends up with everything that it's supposed to. Love the looks, more than 7.2 channels and hopefull have all the new tech with a quality video chip. We will be rocking!

[cwt]

Sept 5, 2012 14:05:03 GMT -5 Erwin.BE said:

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I don't aspect that Emotiva will enable true hardware upgrades, not even for the RMC-1. That's why the processor upgrade certificate is there: so you can buy the next generation for a modest price.
Regarding the .3 on the AVP: I have been reading comments where the users had issues with callibrating more than one sub using XT32. They ended up summing them to .1
I already have two subs ready, but since these are both supposed to be falnking the center speaker, I am thinking of adding a third double woofer sub at the rear later. But .2 would be enough since I can sum the two front subs together (same distance from MLP) so there would be essentially two twin-subs at each end of the HT.

Yes thats logical it will be software upgrades only ; I noticed on the xmc1s backplate there is a traced line around the hdmi output that has room for another hdmi out so maybe using the same layout/backplate for economies of scale and ease of manufacture?
I could live with the back surround outputs being assignable to front wides say [as the human ear is more attuned to forward sounds] but more outputs the better yeah[ for 7.1 bd's]

On the subs I read once its advantageous to have subs on opposite walls as it tends to cancel out standing waves/nulls peaks better so its a wise move to put one or two up the back

And since my seven or nine floorstanders will each have twin 10" or 12" (LCR), I don't need stereo subs since I presume they will go as low as 45 Hz without a sweat. Papers advocating stereo subs show "some" directivity is possible from 45 Hz upwards

My settup takes advantage of my mains too ;there custom made transmission line that can manage the low 20hz range so my velo can concentrate on spl's and not the up to 150hz high pass cuttoff
if I had small 2 ways say ..

[Nemesis.ie]

Sept 2, 2012 16:17:55 GMT -5 Erwin.BE said:

From Cedia 2010...

Ofcourse, it will be 9.3 (or more) where the PMC in the pic was to be 7.2.

If I have a vote I would prefer 11.2 ofcourse.

+1 and I will likely be keeping my discount card for the RMC-1. I may well get an XMC-1 as well (at full price and a 2nd card) too, but TacT is essential for me, in my current room I'm happy enough with the SQ of the UMC-1 and only better room correction will likely make a sufficient difference to justify an upgrade.

Once I get the dedicated (and fully treated) room I'll want something more with more channels too.

So I will likely be waiting until next summer or so for an upgrade unless the new board for the UMC-1 materialises.

Yes, someone may get to move up the list as a result! ;D

I'd love to see 11.3+ and one of the proper 3D techs like Atmos on the RMC-1 ...

[jgeiger]

Has it been confirmed that you can use the UMC-1 upgrade certificate on the RMC? (at emofest or elsewhere?)

[AudioHTIT]

Sept 9, 2012 20:07:00 GMT -5 jgeiger said:

Has it been confirmed that you can use the UMC-1 upgrade certificate on the RMC? (at emofest or elsewhere?)

Yes, it's in Mark's Fest wrap-up, it's stickied.

[sorbe]

The RMC-1 still not good enough to beat the Denon 4311ci @$1500 (street price), it needs to be at least 11.2+ channels to beat the top of the line receivers/pre-pros. Doing 10+ channels is supported by both Audyssey DSX and for DTS Neo:X.