What would be your ideal sub?

[DYohn]

Tell me what would be your ideal sub.

Is it ported or sealed? It doesn't matter but I'd like the -3db point to be around 15Hz, and please no PRs.
What size? It doesn't matter as long as it's capable of 105dbSPL @ 20Hz
How much power? See above, with less than 0.1% THD
What type of finish? Flat black and high gloss woods (cherry, maple, walnut)
Features and such. DSP with automatic room-calibration capabilities, tone sweep from 20Hz to 200Hz
Last but certainly not least, how much? (please keep it realistic ) $1200

[Porscheguy]

My ideal is sub is steak, cheese, onions and mushrooms...........

Toasted....

[Porscheguy]

Is it ported or sealed? Both. Pluggable
What size? 12"
How much power? 1000w
What type of finish? Black satin
Features and such. +/- 3db @ 18Hz - 120Hz 2 or 3 bands of PEQ
Last but certainly not least, how much? $999

[The Mad Norseman]

Okay, I'll take a swing at this fun one too!

Is it ported or sealed? - Ported.
What size? - 12" and/or 15".
How much power? - 500w RMS (minimum), 1000w peak.
What type of finish? - Black, with a real woodgrain, (solid stain okay).
Features and such. - Good down to 20Hz @ -3db or better, RCA & XLR inputs, level control, crossover control, easy amplifier access/switch out if the amp goes bad.
Last but certainly not least, how much? - Under $900 each.

[hemster]

Porscheguy is onto something... No, not with the Phiily Cheesesteak... but with the pluggable port idea. Best of both worlds.

[xki]

Is it ported or sealed? Sealed
What size? 12 or 15
How much power? Zero or 750+ (Gives you guys a chance to offer a sub amp.)
What type of finish? Matte Black
Features and such. Rotary Phase. A grill. Wireless is interesting.
Last but certainly not least, how much? I must have 2 so... 650?

[bulldozer]

I would like to see Emotive build a sub with specs close to the paradigm sub-2 for around 2 grand. I would buy it pronto.

[harri009]

I would look at what forum has been screaming about over the past few year. RYTHMIK, they are 12-15 inch which is what all the above have pretty much asked for. They have a low power and a high power, I would assume that the watt heads here would say MORE POWER, and I agree . The rythmik is servo based with a believe an aluminum driver. Supposedly this is part of what makes it sound so tight. Most all their subs are front firing, once again what most above are asking for. They also claim 14 - 200 Hz (-2 dB @ 14 Hz), which I would say is perfect. Oh yeah and Sealed. Now I am not suggesting ripping off Rythmik, but it does seem to be what most of the Emotiva die hard fans are suggesting to others who come here and ask advice.

With that being said it has also been murmured that the above is great for music, ok for movies. Can you offer 2 subs, a movie sub and a music sub. The movie sub being 13-15" 1000 watt RMS min, large no holds bar enclosure, hits low and loud. Think SVS Ultra 13 or JTR. Also $1200 to $1500 would probably be the peak on the price.

[selkec]

How bout an 18" sealed with lots of power.

I once ran the CHT 18 off of 1 channel of an xpa3 and it destroyed my house. Then I sent it back only because they could not get me a good amp to power it

[Lonnie]

Lots of great information here!

I see a few trends arising. Lets see how it plays out over the few days.

I think we can deliver on what most everyone is asking for but I need to do a little more research.

Again, I love the input. Keep it coming.

Lonnie

[Poodleluvr]

This SEALED SVS sub looks pretty sweet.-- How about "benchmarking" from this sub and beat it in performance and price. Maybe improve this design and make it servo controlled sub like Rythmik. Musical !

SB13-Ultra, 1000 Watt DSP Controlled, 13" Compact Sealed Subwoofer. $1599.00 free shipping.

www.svsound.com/subwoofers/sealed-box/sb13-ultra#.UP9ItUnTles

How much would I personally be willing to spend for a Emotiva Reference sub? I'd prefer to spend just under $1K so $999.99 when on sale, thus, a normally $1199.99 Emotiva MSRP.

I would like this Emotiva sub to have the "ability" to get down to a solid 20 hz.

No piano gloss black finish. Satin black is fine

Woofer size: Compact unit so 12 to 13 inch. Sealed cabinet, front firing woofer, maybe a bottom passive radiator. (No port or mediocre plugged port !)

"One - 11½ x 13½ Quadratic Planar Infrasonic Radiator" See:
www.goldenear.com/products/forcefield-subwoofers

DSP & balanced connectors

Trying to be everything to everybody, the end result is mediocrity.-- Please strive for excellence and raise the bar.

[garbulky]

Prefer sealed. Can deal with ported but it has to measure flat to 20hz (not "usable" bass but flat). Honestly don't care about output above 60 hz. I want a SUB. Doesn't have to go incredibly loud but has to get that low smoothly and has to be "quick". Minimum 12 inch driver.
I'm looking for a sub to complement towers with reasonable bass to go full range not for bookshelves.

[jackfish]

My ideal sub is already sitting in my living room.

[roadrunner]

Lonnie,

I am sure this will come as no surprise to you or Big Dan, but my idea of the perfect sub woofer would be the ERS-112 or the ERS-212 subs that you appeared to be ready to bring out a couple of years ago. The interactive GUI/EQ/Operating system that you were developing for it would be the "cherry on top". I have no idea why it was never brought out, but I think the work you did on these, especially the control system, was pure genius.

Say that you will use the EQ and GUI that you developed for the ERS subs is whatever you eventually bring to market! Pretty please with a cherry on top. ;D

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Jan 22, 2013 15:26:34 GMT -5 Lonnie said:

Tell me what would be your ideal sub.

Is it ported or sealed?
What size?
How much power?
What type of finish?
Features and such.
Last but certainly not least, how much? (please keep it realistic )

First off, there is one problem with the question "how much power." This is closely related to the size of the sub. For example the top of the line Sunfire True sub (very small in size) has 2700 watts! The very highly regarded large SVS PB12-Plus has 800 watts. So the power is not applicable until one decides on the general size of the sub. Only then can the designer decide on how much power is needed. For example, Emo might decide on a 17" cube sized sub with a 12" driver and a feel a 1000 watts RMS amp is needed to reach their performance standards. On the other hand they might decide on a larger box 18 x 25 x 22 sub with a 12" driver and 600 watts. The larger sub would most likely outperform the smaller sub, so the amp power is very dependent on the sub design. The power thus IMO is a secondary decision. That said, here is my choice on the new Emo sub, knowing that Big Dan does not seem to like "refrigerator size subs."



.....Plug-able ports for ported or sealed operation like some other brands make, hopefully the best of both worlds.

.....12-13.5" driver, front firing. Size would roughly be in the 6000 cu inches size (this might be on the upper edge of what Big Dan would find acceptable) Just a hair over 18" cube. Better yet a taller and deeper shape that is more practical in fitting in tight spots like 15w x 20h x 20d. Weight, about 65-80lbs.

.....power in the 750-1000 RMS and 1500-2000 Peak range, see above comments on power.

.....Black satin, lacquer or synthetic finish, removable grill. This finish is a must if there is only one option. It will satisfy and fit in with the most buyers room environment. (no black wood finish or piano gloss black)

.....No back panel controls other than gain dial, balanced/unbalanced input, trigger, power and power cord. Remote or cabinet control to dual or triple parametric EQ's. Ported response -3dB's at 17-18Hz, sealed response -3dB's at 22-23Hz (in room response slightly lower). High end about -3dB at 125Hz.

.....$999




This is a near state of the art sub to satisfy most HT and music buyers. The current Emo subs get rave reviews from the music folks but don't reach the bottom levels for the HT folks. This above will not be the everyman's ultimate sub. That would require a 22 x 24 x 26 box or larger and very heavy. This sub above would be a no-brainer close to state of the art compromise for me and my love of both low and deep movie bass and high end music at a best bang for the buck price. The relatively smaller size is still workable for those who need more low bass, low distortion, high output performance while not having a "huge" sub.

;D ;D ;D

[ribbonking]

Lonnie's looking for new projects to work on. This is the second new product he's asked for input about in the past few days

Hmmm...he must have all of his other big projects completed and in production.

[flamingeye]

Ideal sub
1. Ported
2. 15" driver cast/ 22'x 24"x20" . 1" mdf with 1,1/2" baffle with extensive bracing.-very inert 105lb box
3.cedar
4. RCA, XLR, true LFI , 0 to 180 phase knob/dial, true 15hz capability in room
5. $800 to $1000
6.with cobalt blue glowing Emotive logo above blueish/black magnetize grill
7. 1000 watts

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Jan 22, 2013 23:26:53 GMT -5 ribbonking said:

Lonnie's looking for new projects to work on. This is the second new product he's asked for input about in the past few days

Hmmm...he must have all of his other big projects completed and in production.

You obviously didn't see my post in "The Man from Emotiva" thread in the News and Updates section of the Lounge.

"I had a chat on the phone this morning with my old friend Dennis Burger. I mentioned what a nice article he wrote about our leader, Big Dan Laufman. He confirmed what a nice guy he was. However, he wanted to know if by any chance I knew who the guy was who he saw doing wheelies on his Harley in the Jade/Emotiva parking lot?"

Apparently Big Dan thought it was time he gave Lonnie something to do like the sub survey.

[badronald]

Is it ported or sealed - rear ported with the option to plug the port
What size - Smaller multible drivers for both speed and depth, say three 10" drivers
How much power - at least 500w RMS
What type of finish - Black with optional finishes of cherry, oak, walnut
Last but certainly not least, how much? (please keep it realistic) - $850.00

[2nice]

Is it ported or sealed? Sealed

What size? 12"

How much power? 1500w

What type of finish? satin black

Features and such. usb gui with a 5-8band PEQ

Price ? 1500-2000$