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Post by milsap195 on Nov 1, 2013 11:11:23 GMT -5
It looks like carver retained all his designs, so emo will have to start from the ground up. Could be a while. Maybe they already have stuff in process..
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Post by Jim on Nov 1, 2013 11:14:29 GMT -5
It looks like carver retained all his designs, so emo will have to start from the ground up. Could be a while. Maybe they already have stuff in process.. How'd you hear he retained all his designs? That sucks. There was a lot of potential in that partnership. |
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Post by milsap195 on Nov 1, 2013 11:29:30 GMT -5
It looks like carver retained all his designs, so emo will have to start from the ground up. Could be a while. Maybe they already have stuff in process.. How'd you hear he retained all his designs? That sucks. There was a lot of potential in that partnership. Another forum member talked to bob. He had posted it but the emo police took it down and froze the thread. |
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Post by KeithL on Nov 1, 2013 14:04:35 GMT -5
While the production details on any piece of equipment can take a bit of doing, and this is especially true for tube equipment, the actual designs aren't all that complicated. It is also a fact that tubes are a very mature technology, and most of the important details have been worked out for a very long time... so nobody is starting from the ground up. Compare the schematic of a "modern" tube amp to a "classic" design like an Eico HF-20 or a Dynaco Stereo 70 and you'll see that there really isn't much difference. And, yes, we DO have several tube projects in the works - but no dates or details yet. It looks like carver retained all his designs, so emo will have to start from the ground up. Could be a while. Maybe they already have stuff in process.. How'd you hear he retained all his designs? That sucks. There was a lot of potential in that partnership. |
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Post by luvtubes on Nov 1, 2013 14:09:03 GMT -5
How'd you hear he retained all his designs? That sucks. There was a lot of potential in that partnership. Another forum member talked to bob. He had posted it but the emo police took it down and froze the thread. I too was advised to not discuss anything related to Carver, or the ill-fated partnership with Emotiva. Speculation about any of this is not a good idea. Perhaps a closure of all Carver threads is not a bad idea., as it will only lead to more of a mess going forward. |
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Post by Jim on Nov 1, 2013 14:09:12 GMT -5
While the production details on any piece of equipment can take a bit of doing, and this is especially true for tube equipment, the actual designs aren't all that complicated. It is also a fact that tubes are a very mature technology, and most of the important details have been worked out for a very long time... so nobody is starting from the ground up. Compare the schematic of a "modern" tube amp to a "classic" design like an Eico HF-20 or a Dynaco Stereo 70 and you'll see that there really isn't much difference. And, yes, we DO have several tube projects in the works - but no dates or details yet. How'd you hear he retained all his designs? That sucks. There was a lot of potential in that partnership. I actually was surprised at the limited component count from the little bit that I saw @ EmoFest with regards to tube amps... I'm sure what Dan/Lonnie come up with will be stellar. If I'm being totally honest, I had the most interest in the high pressure subs that Dan mentioned, but I believe were going to be based on Carver held patents.... |
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Post by Jim on Nov 1, 2013 14:10:35 GMT -5
Another forum member talked to bob. He had posted it but the emo police took it down and froze the thread. I too was advised to not discuss anything related to Carver, or the ill-fated partnership with Emotiva. Speculation about any of this is not a good idea. Perhaps a closure of all Carver threads is not a bad idea., as it will only lead to more of a mess going forward. Sorry, I didn't mean to open a can of worms. I'm sure there is either a NDA, or some legal ramifications of discussing too much. |
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Post by milsap195 on Nov 1, 2013 14:14:42 GMT -5
All we need is for emo to put out some kick ass tube gear and all will be forgoten!!!!!
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Post by Andrew Robinson on Nov 1, 2013 14:17:52 GMT -5
I too was advised to not discuss anything related to Carver, or the ill-fated partnership with Emotiva. Speculation about any of this is not a good idea. Perhaps a closure of all Carver threads is not a bad idea., as it will only lead to more of a mess going forward. Sorry, I didn't mean to open a can of worms. I'm sure there is either a NDA, or some legal ramifications of discussing too much. The so-called "Emo Police" -aka me - closed the thread because members (who we DID NOT BAN) on this forum were talking about business matters on a public forum that are, in truth, not for public viewing. We've said our peace with regards to the Carver situation and ask that you please respect that and the situation. We're not here to disparage nor speculate, we're here to make kick-ass audio components for real world folks -and this will soon include tube gear. We cannot wait, and we know you cannot wait either, but rather than waste time speculating on the past, help us envision products for the future. So, would you buy an affordable tube amp? |
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Post by KeithL on Nov 1, 2013 14:22:28 GMT -5
I'm not confirming... or denying... anything.. but the reason we've been snipping threads is to avoid discussions and conjecture based on hearsay. When considering claims (of all kinds), one should always consider the source. You should also realize that there's nothing magical about designing tube equipment (even though some folks would like you to believe otherwise). With very few exceptions, current amplifier designs are based on very mature technology. How'd you hear he retained all his designs? That sucks. There was a lot of potential in that partnership. Another forum member talked to bob. He had posted it but the emo police took it down and froze the thread. |
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Post by brubacca on Nov 1, 2013 14:26:54 GMT -5
Andrew,,
The answer is yes. I would buy one.. In fact, I have some cash burning a hole in my pocket right now. Personally I would like to know one, nope make that two things..
Approximate time frame-- Realizing that this could change, I am realistic about this. This year, Next year, beyond?
Do you expect it to cost north or south of the XSP-1?
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Post by jmasterj on Nov 1, 2013 14:35:55 GMT -5
I already did so that boat has already sailed. I'm really liking it too. I did wait for six months for Emotiva to come up with something before I did.
Now for the business at hand. I just pulled the trigger on a XPA-100 monoblock amp a few minutes ago. Now all I need is for Emotiva to continue this sale through December so I can get another one. Then you need to have me an entry level tube preamp to put with them in another month or so after that. Can you hear me ? I'm not in a frantic hurry, however, when I get the second amp the clock will be ticking. Let's go guys " Get-er-Done.
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Post by Jim on Nov 1, 2013 14:36:36 GMT -5
So, would you buy an affordable tube amp? Yep, I would. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 14:45:41 GMT -5
I personally wouldn't want an entry level tube pre. Instead, if emo could produce an affordable fully balanced two or four tube pre similar to Audio Research or BAT, then I'm fully in !
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Post by clearear on Nov 1, 2013 15:05:37 GMT -5
Maybe if it was a no bother plug and play product with exceptional sonics. Having said that I'm happy with my USP-1. It has a remote, sounds great and I can leave it on all day. I've had a couple of tube preamps in the past.
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Post by milsap195 on Nov 1, 2013 15:05:44 GMT -5
I would be willing to shell out 1500 to 2000 for a balanced top notch pre amp to compliment the top of the line emo amps! All they have to do is put some tubes in the XSP-1 and call it a XSP-1V for valves they would be the talk of the audio world!!
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Post by 1960broookwood on Nov 1, 2013 17:05:17 GMT -5
So, would you buy an affordable tube amp? In a heartbeat-- at a realistic price As Keith pointed out there isn't much difference between a decades old version and the latest and greatest--except the "Black Magic" needed to extract the long dollar from an enthusiasts wallet.  |
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Post by brubacca on Nov 9, 2013 8:33:28 GMT -5
Changing my answer to no. Want a tube integrated.
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Post by TUGA Audiophile on Nov 11, 2013 18:19:34 GMT -5
Sorry, I didn't mean to open a can of worms. I'm sure there is either a NDA, or some legal ramifications of discussing too much. The so-called "Emo Police" -aka me - closed the thread because members (who we DID NOT BAN) on this forum were talking about business matters on a public forum that are, in truth, not for public viewing. We've said our peace with regards to the Carver situation and ask that you please respect that and the situation. We're not here to disparage nor speculate, we're here to make kick-ass audio components for real world folks -and this will soon include tube gear. We cannot wait, and we know you cannot wait either, but rather than waste time speculating on the past, help us envision products for the future. So, would you buy an affordable tube amp? Like the BOB CARVER CHERRY 180? - YES!!! |
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Post by novisnick on Nov 11, 2013 18:38:20 GMT -5
We are an antsy bunch, now aren't we?
Keep up the good work, now where did you say those tubes were?
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