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Post by bigred7078 on May 13, 2008 22:12:27 GMT -5
Doug, Im sure you have gotten to listen to these speakers for a couple of days and obviously you really like them. What would you say the limitations of these speakers are? Where would they fall short (this is thinking critically so dont give me that bs that they are perfect  ;D The idea of an all emo HT i have to admit does give me tinglies. But without having many people hear these speakers and only one professional review, its hard to get an idea of what they would be like for ME. Thanks!!! -Steve |
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Post by hikinokie on May 13, 2008 23:02:36 GMT -5
We're all waiting for more reviews. Few, if any speaker is perfect especially budget models.
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Post by bigred7078 on May 13, 2008 23:17:21 GMT -5
We're all waiting for more reviews. Few, if any speaker is perfect especially budget models. ...well i realize this, if there was a perfect speaker out there we would all be buying it (or selling everything we own to purchase it since it would probably be high priced lol). But i like getting everyones opinions on certain matters. So for instance if Doug states that the only issues he has with these speakers is blah blah blah, i will make a mental note of it in my head. Then when more and more people start buying these little bad boys and saaaay um Friar John (...i dont know) writes on this forum, "Hey everyone, im new here! yippee! i got these speakers and love them!!!!" I will ask him hey dude, what do you think is the number one problem with these speakers. or biggest limitation you hear with these speakers. Well he will state blah blah blah. If i get several limitations that match up, then hey i can measure my costs and benefits, look at my barriers of purchase, then decide if they are for me or not. ............or i could just order them and make the whole process go alot faster, but where is the fun in that  |
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Post by doug917 on May 14, 2008 8:13:55 GMT -5
Steve, Understand, I am satisfied in every way audio-wise. Granted, the do not hit the lowest ent of the spectrum...but they were not designed to do this and when mated with the DRS-1 I think will be the complete deal. They sound incredible in the range they were designed to run. I also think Emotiva fudged the frequency response numbers a bit...but in a good way - I can tell you they play well below 80Hz and would imagine the real cutoff is around 50-55Hz so those who like a 60Hz crossover should experience no problems running these speakers. You're welcome to stop by again if you're in the area and hear these (my room is actually clean and fully functional this time ) It was not a subtle difference in sound quality and the issue I hade with my previous speakers were all gone...no more harsh highs and the midrange is fuller. The increase in detail, separation, and the smooth panning of effects are unlike I have ever heard before. Here are all the issues I do have with the units: ERM: The jumpers may not be held tightly in place if 12 guage bare wire is used (using banana plugs or a higher guage than 12 is a non-issue) The grilles do not completely lock into place, but I can't cover the metal faceplates anyhow as they look really good ERD: 12 guage bare wire is hard to get in the binding posts The grilles do not completely lock into place, but I can't cover the metal faceplates anyhow as they look really good Though it does not affect me, some have said the binding posts are not spaced for standard dual banana plug connectors This is all I can think of so far that is not to my liking. If you want to know all the pluses, I can make you a much longer list. |
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Post by hikinokie on May 14, 2008 9:02:41 GMT -5
Do the 6.5" monitors have the same form factor as the 5.25"? That is two woofs and one tweet arrainged the same way? Lonnie said the large center channel had two 6.5", two 4" and one tweet. Reason I'm asking if I'm trying to figure out how to get the tweeters at ear level without having to replace my expensive 23" Premier stands (no concrete blocks ;D) Been trying to locate a sawmill that could cut a 16" log cross section 7" high I could put my existing stands on but I'm open to ideas.
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Post by bigred7078 on May 14, 2008 10:15:36 GMT -5
Steve, Understand, I am satisfied in every way audio-wise. Granted, the do not hit the lowest ent of the spectrum...but they were not designed to do this and when mated with the DRS-1 I think will be the complete deal. They sound incredible in the range they were designed to run. I also think Emotiva fudged the frequency response numbers a bit...but in a good way - I can tell you they play well below 80Hz and would imagine the real cutoff is around 50-55Hz so those who like a 60Hz crossover should experience no problems running these speakers. You're welcome to stop by again if you're in the area and hear these (my room is actually clean and fully functional this time ) It was not a subtle difference in sound quality and the issue I hade with my previous speakers were all gone...no more harsh highs and the midrange is fuller. The increase in detail, separation, and the smooth panning of effects are unlike I have ever heard before. Here are all the issues I do have with the units: ERM: The jumpers may not be held tightly in place if 12 guage bare wire is used (using banana plugs or a higher guage than 12 is a non-issue) The grilles do not completely lock into place, but I can't cover the metal faceplates anyhow as they look really good ERD: 12 guage bare wire is hard to get in the binding posts The grilles do not completely lock into place, but I can't cover the metal faceplates anyhow as they look really good Though it does not affect me, some have said the binding posts are not spaced for standard dual banana plug connectors This is all I can think of so far that is not to my liking. If you want to know all the pluses, I can make you a much longer list. Doug, Ok sweet thats about what i expected the speakers to be like. So you think they have a pretty large sound from such a tiny speaker? And do you think perhaps you might be hearing a bigger difference since your very used to brighter speakers and were beginning to grow tired of them? Because it may not be as big of a difference for everyone, but then again maybe it will!!! How would you say they relate to the klipsch as far as details go. The klipsch speakers can be quite revealing in a good way for certain music and movies pieces, do you find the ERM-1's to be just as detailed but with more of neutral overall sound? ( i know kind of conflicting, but do you know what i mean?) And would you call these more of a musical speaker or more of a HT speaker if you had to choose. And i may have to take you up on round two so we can hear all the new gear! |
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Post by doug917 on May 14, 2008 13:03:24 GMT -5
Do the 6.5" monitors have the same form factor as the 5.25"? That is two woofs and one tweet arrainged the same way? Lonnie said the large center channel had two 6.5", two 4" and one tweet. Reason I'm asking if I'm trying to figure out how to get the tweeters at ear level without having to replace my expensive 23" Premier stands (no concrete blocks ;D) Been trying to locate a sawmill that could cut a 16" log cross section 7" high I could put my existing stands on but I'm open to ideas. Why not set the stands on a 1/2 block...7.5 inches cubed The properties of the concrete blocks are excellent...no resonation at all. |
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Post by doug917 on May 14, 2008 13:08:27 GMT -5
Doug, Ok sweet thats about what i expected the speakers to be like. So you think they have a pretty large sound from such a tiny speaker? And do you think perhaps you might be hearing a bigger difference since your very used to brighter speakers and were beginning to grow tired of them? Because it may not be as big of a difference for everyone, but then again maybe it will!!! How would you say they relate to the klipsch as far as details go. The klipsch speakers can be quite revealing in a good way for certain music and movies pieces, do you find the ERM-1's to be just as detailed but with more of neutral overall sound? ( i know kind of conflicting, but do you know what i mean?) And would you call these more of a musical speaker or more of a HT speaker if you had to choose. And i may have to take you up on round two so we can hear all the new gear! Steve, The Klipsch are quite detailed but at the expense of harsh highs at times. The Emotivas are quite a bit more detailed than the Klipsch, yet lack any of the harshness. They excell with movies and multi-channel music. I think the DRS-1 sub package would be the icing on the cake for 2-channel music . They sound very good with 2-channel now with my current sub and I think the integration with the Emo sub package will really further the quality of sound. |
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Post by jp0188 on May 14, 2008 14:53:30 GMT -5
Hi Doug, I have almost the same set up as you, w/mps-2 and mmc-1. My question why would my rear speakers seem lagging in power?? I thought I set up the mmc-1 right . My l/c/r have monster speaker cable and rear I used 16awg could that be the problem???Jim.. without the cinder-blocks |
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Post by hikinokie on May 14, 2008 16:05:13 GMT -5
Do the 6.5" monitors have the same form factor as the 5.25"? That is two woofs and one tweet arrainged the same way? Lonnie said the large center channel had two 6.5", two 4" and one tweet. Reason I'm asking if I'm trying to figure out how to get the tweeters at ear level without having to replace my expensive 23" Premier stands (no concrete blocks ;D) Been trying to locate a sawmill that could cut a 16" log cross section 7" high I could put my existing stands on but I'm open to ideas. Why not set the stands on a 1/2 block...7.5 inches cubed The properties of the concrete blocks are excellent...no resonation at all. Concrete blocks ain't allowed in my living room  . I'll think of something if/when the time comes. |
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Post by Wideawake on May 14, 2008 18:48:16 GMT -5
Being that the 6.5" Emotiva speakers are a ways off yet, I decided to go ahead and give the 5.25" ERM-1/ERD-1 speakers a testing in my own environment. When can we expect the 6.5s? I'm going to have to wait on the UMC-1 anyway. If the 6.5s are expected to be available around the same time (say late Jul - early Aug), I might as well wait and get the 6.5s. That's one of the reasons that I did not pre-order the speaker package. |
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Post by Lonnie on May 14, 2008 18:54:50 GMT -5
All the info known at the moment on new arrival times for products is in the News and Updates section under 'New Products and Arrival Times' ...or something like that...  Being that the 6.5" Emotiva speakers are a ways off yet, I decided to go ahead and give the 5.25" ERM-1/ERD-1 speakers a testing in my own environment. When can we expect the 6.5s? I'm going to have to wait on the UMC-1 anyway. If the 6.5s are expected to be available around the same time (say late Jul - early Aug), I might as well wait and get the 6.5s. That's one of the reasons that I did not pre-order the speaker package. |
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Post by robthorn on May 15, 2008 6:08:07 GMT -5
On the truck for delivery. Now I have to make it through a full day of work. Darn it.
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Post by doug917 on May 15, 2008 7:41:21 GMT -5
Hi Doug, I have almost the same set up as you, w/mps-2 and mmc-1. My question why would my rear speakers seem lagging in power?? I thought I set up the mmc-1 right . My l/c/r have monster speaker cable and rear I used 16awg could that be the problem???Jim.. without the cinder-blocks The ERDs actually have a sensitvity that is a couple dB lower than the ERMs...so they should have to be bumped up a few nothces compared to the other speakers when you are setting channel levels. How far away are your surrounds/rears from your listening position? Also how far up the wall do you have them mounted and how high are your walls? |
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Post by doug917 on May 15, 2008 7:42:32 GMT -5
Concrete blocks ain't allowed in my living room . I'll think of something if/when the time comes. Let her decorate the blocks..it could be a nice project for her ;D You'll have the prettiest blocks on the forum...hehe! |
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Post by doug917 on May 15, 2008 7:43:46 GMT -5
On the truck for delivery. Now I have to make it through a full day of work. Darn it. Are you gong to be able to simply swap them out...or will you have to do some rewiring/relocating? |
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Post by ICBM99 on May 15, 2008 11:05:35 GMT -5
Doug,
You stated that the grills are not locking in place, will they stay on as long as you don't mess with them? In other words, will they stay in place when listening? When I eventually build a dedicated HT, I'm not sure if I want to use the grills or not.
On the other hand, it might not matter at all judging by the sound of it.
BTW, are you still going to pick up the towers when they come out?
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Post by robthorn on May 15, 2008 17:28:57 GMT -5
Simply swapped them out and then back out again for the moment.
The grills stay on fine in use.
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Post by lonnie on May 15, 2008 17:42:34 GMT -5
Doug, You stated that the grills are not locking in place, will they stay on as long as you don't mess with them? In other words, will they stay in place when listening? When I eventually build a dedicated HT, I'm not sure if I want to use the grills or not. On the other hand, it might not matter at all judging by the sound of it. BTW, are you still going to pick up the towers when they come out? Well while big Dan was at the factory last week he had them revise the design of the grills and said it would solve the loose fitting issues, but I don't have any real info on this yet. When he returns to the factory next week I will get a complete run down and fill you all in. ;D |
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Post by doug917 on May 15, 2008 18:51:53 GMT -5
Doug, You stated that the grills are not locking in place, will they stay on as long as you don't mess with them? In other words, will they stay in place when listening? When I eventually build a dedicated HT, I'm not sure if I want to use the grills or not. On the other hand, it might not matter at all judging by the sound of it. BTW, are you still going to pick up the towers when they come out? The magnets are quite strong and the grilles will stay on the speakers just fine. I will probably pick up the towers for my dedicated 2-channel room...once I figure out exactly where this is going to end up in my house. I have been moving things around a lot lately. The Cerwin Vegas I am currently using are great for rock music and cracking the foundation, but don't do as well for jazz/classical as they are more raw than refined. I currently have this setup in my weight room, but may move the gear to a different room in the future. |
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;D The idea of an all emo HT i have to admit does give me tinglies. But without having many people hear these speakers and only one professional review, its hard to get an idea of what they would be like for ME. 
. I'll think of something if/when the time comes.
