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Post by Jim on Nov 12, 2013 14:04:51 GMT -5
If anyone wants rack ears for the ERC-3 I've confirmed that the URS-2 ears fit (The same ears that fit the ERC-2)
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Post by Lonnie on Nov 12, 2013 14:17:29 GMT -5
Well for one it's a DC-1 without an analog pre-amp in the mix. That may be a positive depending on how you feel about the pre-amp. Also (to my ears) different DACs don't always sound the same. Some are better. FWIW - Not so sure it's a DC-1, with dual DACs per channel in a balanced configuration. Emotiva likes and uses the AD1955 chip throughout their DACS, but not in this configuration. You are correct. It is not using the dual DAC configuration, it is using a single 1955 run fully balanced on the output and the I/V and output stages are all the same as the DC-1. Hope this helps to clear things up. Lonnie |
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Post by gravi on Nov 12, 2013 14:31:13 GMT -5
Absolutely, sorry to drag this off topic. I am still a little perplexed about the product and don't quite get the nuance here, will go through the other threads on this topic to learn. I hear ya, but in my personal opinion playing MP3s on a high-end CD player is not doing it any justice or maximizing the audio experience. As to your position on streaming, you don't need an internet connection top stream your own collection. Instead of burning a CD with the MP3s you are buying, you can transfer them with one click to a hard drive or USB media. You can then read the MP3s from any drive or computer on your network or simply stick the USB into your BD/DVD player. The big advantage is that if you have a large collection it is all at your fingertips to browse and play instantly. Could we keep this thread remotely on topic, instead of discussing the merits of CD players? I'm more interested in feedback regarding the ERC-3, rather than hearing about why we shouldn't be buying a CD player, or how we shouldn't use it. |
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Post by Dwayland on Nov 12, 2013 14:50:55 GMT -5
I have many reasons for wanting a CD player and am very, very interested in the ERC-3. I loved my ERC-2 and have been wanting to get a dedicated CD player back on the rack. Had to sell my ERC-2 to help fund other not so fun stuff. :-(
Having a really hard time not pre-ordering it right now!
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Post by jmasterj on Nov 12, 2013 15:01:30 GMT -5
I don't think you'll have to worry there will be plenty ERC-3's to go around when you get ready.
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 12, 2013 17:17:29 GMT -5
Just a quick heads up, I received a response back from Emotiva Sales that the silver trims (a necessity to match my other Emotiva gear) aren't as yet available. So I've held off on ordering an ERC-3 until they are.
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Gary
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Post by dmraupp on Nov 12, 2013 17:36:17 GMT -5
I would like to know if anyone would sell an OPPO BDP-95 to purchase a ERC-3.I currently use an OPPO BDP-95 as a cd player and would like to know if anyone feels the ERC-3 would be an audio upgrade.
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Post by Jim on Nov 12, 2013 17:43:08 GMT -5
Just a quick heads up, I received a response back from Emotiva Sales that the silver trims (a necessity to match my other Emotiva gear) aren't as yet available. So I've held off on ordering an ERC-3 until they are. Cheers Gary Did they happen to give an ETA? |
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Post by jerrin on Nov 12, 2013 18:15:56 GMT -5
I would like to know if anyone would sell an OPPO BDP-95 to purchase a ERC-3.I currently use an OPPO BDP-95 as a cd player and would like to know if anyone feels the ERC-3 would be an audio upgrade. To be positive, I'd need to first listen to an ERC-3, but based on my experiences with the other models... no. I prefer music from my 95 over the ERCs I've listened to in the past. However, I like the slot loader.... |
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 12, 2013 18:48:11 GMT -5
Just a quick heads up, I received a response back from Emotiva Sales that the silver trims (a necessity to match my other Emotiva gear) aren't as yet available. So I've held off on ordering an ERC-3 until they are. Did they happen to give an ETA? Nope, just advice that they aren't currently available. Cheers Gary |
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Post by brubacca on Nov 12, 2013 19:22:50 GMT -5
Based on Lonnie's post above...
Does it seem that the DC-1 DAC would be considered an upgrade to the ERC-3 DAC?
ERC-3 looks great. It may end up being my first real CD Player as I have never owned something better than a Denon.
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Post by Jim on Nov 12, 2013 19:43:59 GMT -5
Based on Lonnie's post above... Does it seem that the DC-1 DAC would be considered an upgrade to the ERC-3 DAC? ERC-3 looks great. It may end up being my first real CD Player as I have never owned something better than a Denon. My gut says that that the difference between the DC-1 and the onboard DAC won't be audibly different. Hopefully someone will be quick to test and report when it ships! |
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Post by kse on Nov 12, 2013 20:21:34 GMT -5
Based on Lonnie's post above... Does it seem that the DC-1 DAC would be considered an upgrade to the ERC-3 DAC? ERC-3 looks great. It may end up being my first real CD Player as I have never owned something better than a Denon. My gut says that that the difference between the DC-1 and the onboard DAC won't be audibly different. Hopefully someone will be quick to test and report when it ships! My gut says I won't be able to hear an audible difference between the ERC-1/2 and the -3, but I still want one!  |
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Post by Jim on Nov 12, 2013 21:05:47 GMT -5
My gut says that that the difference between the DC-1 and the onboard DAC won't be audibly different. Hopefully someone will be quick to test and report when it ships! My gut says I won't be able to hear an audible difference between the ERC-1/2 and the -3, but I still want one! Isn't it a great disease? If I remember right from my DAC readings, that the real benefit that the DC-1 gets from using dual DACs is that it gets a SNR improvement (because it's running each DAC in differential mono mode). Actually, just found a datasheet for the AD1955: www.analog.com/static/imported-files/data_sheets/AD1955.pdf It's a 4db improvement in dynamic range and SNR when using the chip in differential mode (DC-1) vs single-ended stereo (ERC-3). But that's probably splitting hairs! There are so many factors that can impact the SNR, it's probably a drop in the bucket. I love the topology with a separate PS for each module (From a design perspective, that's pretty cool)  |
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Post by Lonnie on Nov 12, 2013 21:37:12 GMT -5
My gut says I won't be able to hear an audible difference between the ERC-1/2 and the -3, but I still want one! Isn't it a great disease? If I remember right from my DAC readings, that the real benefit that the DC-1 gets from using dual DACs is that it gets a SNR improvement (because it's running each DAC in differential mono mode). Actually, just found a datasheet for the AD1955: www.analog.com/static/imported-files/data_sheets/AD1955.pdf It's a 4db improvement in dynamic range and SNR when using the chip in differential mode (DC-1) vs single-ended stereo (ERC-3). But that's probably splitting hairs! There are so many factors that can impact the SNR, it's probably a drop in the bucket. I love the topology with a separate PS for each module (From a design perspective, that's pretty cool) Just to clarify something here. The DC-1 is using 2) 1955 run in differential mono mode, where the ERC-3 is using a single 1955 run in differential mode (not single ended). So both units are running differentially from the DAC to the I/V to the output stage with no conversion to single ended at any point. This is why a product would have Differential Reference listed on it. In my humble opinion, if you are going to make a reference quality piece, you shouldn't run the signal single ended internally and convert to differential at the output like virtually everyone else does. But like I said, that is just my opinion. If you knew how many pieces of "High End" gear we have tested that had balanced jacks, but were actually single ended internally, you would be amazed. Lonnie |
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Post by Jim on Nov 12, 2013 21:41:45 GMT -5
Just to clarify something here. The DC-1 is using 2) 1955 run in differential mono mode, where the ERC-3 is using a single 1955 run in differential mode (not single ended). So both units are running differentially from the DAC to the I/V to the output stage with no conversion to single ended at any point. This is why a product would have Differential Reference listed on it. In my humble opinion, if you are going to make a reference quality piece, you shouldn't run the signal single ended internally and convert to differential at the output like virtually everyone else does. But like I said, that is just my opinion. If you knew how many pieces of "High End" gear we have tested that had balanced jacks, but were actually single ended internally, you would be amazed. Lonnie Thanks for clearing that up Lonnie! It's definately appreciated! I didn't know that you could run the 1955 with stereo in differential mode. (You've probably forgotten more about DACs than I've ever learned!). Cool stuff |
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 12, 2013 23:47:53 GMT -5
Just from reading his posts and demeanour on the video, I'm getting a strong impression that Lonnie is rather chuffed with the finished product that is the ERC-3. A fair smattering of professional pride in a category killer product at an unbelievable price.  Cheers Gary |
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Post by briank on Nov 13, 2013 7:28:46 GMT -5
I thought the ERC-3 sounded awesome at Emofest. Better then the ERC-1 and ERC-2 that I owned previously and I felt that it also rivaled my $1500 Sony player. I would have to compare both in my system to determine the winner, which is tempting to do. The ERC-3 is a "no brainer" if your in the market for a reference calibur player. |
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Post by harrison20 on Nov 13, 2013 10:05:15 GMT -5
For the technically clueless, what does the above discussion mean. Will the DC-1 provide better audible SQ than just the ERC-3?
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Post by Jim on Nov 13, 2013 11:04:19 GMT -5
For the technically clueless, what does the above discussion mean. Will the DC-1 provide better audible SQ than just the ERC-3? Given the technical similarities between the DC-1 and ERC-3, probably not. It will probably sound the same. Until someone tests, we can't say for sure, but the implementation between the DC-1 and ERC-3 is very similar. |
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