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Post by kse on Jul 2, 2013 21:43:19 GMT -5
does this means, instead of buying a separate preamp, dac for my mac lossless files , cd sources , i could use the ERC-3 only as a dac , preamp , directly into my amplifiers? a kinda all in one , with the same better chip as the dc-1 coming ...  ?? No, but that would be kinda cool if they developed such a creature. With HT pass thru too, please.  |
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Post by Golden Ear on Jul 2, 2013 21:52:06 GMT -5
does this means, instead of buying a separate preamp, dac for my mac lossless files , cd sources , i could use the ERC-3 only as a dac , preamp , directly into my amplifiers? a kinda all in one , with the same better chip as the dc-1 coming ... ?? No, its a CD player that you need to connect to preamp. |
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Post by dac0964 on Jul 3, 2013 14:58:52 GMT -5
I was there at the Boston show and was in 2 channel room where they have it setup with, erc-3, xmc-1, xda-2, mac laptop ==> Bob Carver tube, xpr-1, xpa-1 ===> B&W nautilus 803 or 804 with 2 12" sub. I sat there and listen through many song and personally the sound was muddy and thick not so much of clarity I was expecting of a setup like that. ERC-3 face plate look no different then the old version of ERC-1 or 2 just now with a tray loader. I prefer the nicer/fancier slot loader instead of old school tray popping out that IMO. I don't know how did the guy above comment by judging the sound of ERC-3 DAC when they had it hook up to TUBE??? and I doubt it was hookup to XDA-2 that would not make sense. I over heard those Bob Carver tube goes for $25,000 each or pair not sure and they were on table display and in action, not sure it will be on sale on Emo website or not, it yes that would break the bank for 2 channel of my understanding. I was there and listened for over an hour and it sounded fabulous, terrific, stupendous, you pick the adjective. Muddy? Thick? Huh? The ERC looks COMPLETELY different from the ERC-1 and 2. Those B&W's were really nice. What a system. We had it hooked up the XPR-1's, but I heard the tube amps and they were real nice. Sorry Dennis, but thats not what I heard, nor one single person I spoke to... Everyone loved all that gear and SQ.. I concur with Porscheguy... when I heard them at the Newport Beach show. Whether they were playing the ERC-3 or the XDA-2, the sound I heard was full yet detailed. It was wonderful... although I suspect it was also because of the XPA-1Ls operating in Class A. |
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Post by johndozier on Jul 8, 2013 12:32:12 GMT -5
I hope the new cd player/transport will use a BNC rather than an RCA for the digital out! How about it fellas!
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Post by garbulky on Jul 8, 2013 12:44:06 GMT -5
I hope the new cd player/transport will use a BNC rather than an RCA for the digital out! How about it fellas! Well I doubt it will have it....BUT the emotiva pro-dac called DC-1 has a BNC input so you never know Meanwhile it will have AES/EBU |
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Post by mtglass on Jul 8, 2013 12:54:19 GMT -5
Any info on the ERC-3 would be great. The suspense is killing me.
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Post by hemster on Jul 8, 2013 13:07:43 GMT -5
I hope the new cd player/transport will use a BNC rather than an RCA for the digital out! How about it fellas! May I ask why you wish to use a BNC connection? They're not common in consumer audio and are slowly fading out even in recording studios. garbulky is right, the DC-1 does have a BNC connection. The ERC-3 is unlikely to but hey, I don't know that for sure! |
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Post by aztecax on Jul 8, 2013 17:28:52 GMT -5
I hope the new cd player/transport will use a BNC rather than an RCA for the digital out! How about it fellas! May I ask why you wish to use a BNC connection? They're not common in consumer audio and are slowly fading out even in recording studios. garbulky is right, the DC-1 does have a BNC connection. The ERC-3 is unlikely to but hey, I don't know that for sure! Yeah, I can't say I see a need for BNC. I deal with BNC at work because we're using pro equipment that must be set up and broken down often, so the locking mechanisms are good to have. But for consumer gear I see no point. |
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Post by johndozier on Jul 11, 2013 9:56:40 GMT -5
It is simple, the BNC maintains the 75ohm impedance of the spdif cable. RCA does not. Most high end dacs use BNCs. It is a true RF connector. XLRs are used only because pro digital gear was designed to use whatever cable was in the studio and most of that is mic cable which uses XLR. It is not a good connector for digital. Expediency ruled when the SPDIF-AES/EBU standards were developed. That does mean it is the best solution or even a good one. RCAs are used for three reasons-cheap,cheap,cheap. Regards
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Post by aztecax on Jul 11, 2013 13:34:41 GMT -5
It is simple, the BNC maintains the 75ohm impedance of the spdif cable. RCA does not. Most high end dacs use BNCs. It is a true RF connector. XLRs are used only because pro digital gear was designed to use whatever cable was in the studio and most of that is mic cable which uses XLR. It is not a good connector for digital. Expediency ruled when the SPDIF-AES/EBU standards were developed. That does mean it is the best solution or even a good one. RCAs are used for three reasons-cheap,cheap,cheap. Regards I see. I was not aware of that. I appreciate the explanation. I know XLR is not good for digital - coax seems to be the preferred connection in general but I hadn't thought about the impedance. |
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Post by johndozier on Jul 12, 2013 15:07:49 GMT -5
In general impedance mismatch causes jitter. There is much debate on how much jitter is audible and what its effects are. I always err on the side of caution. You can never have too little of any kind of distortion. Regards
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Post by deltadube on Jul 12, 2013 17:13:14 GMT -5
when is the erc 3 going on sale?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2013 18:18:50 GMT -5
OK, this is for once a serious question. How can folks go to a show and listen in an unfamiliar room with a familiar or unfamiliar source to a setup with speakers, sub(s), amps (SS or tube), pre-amp or pre-pro, DAC, CD player (not to mention speaker cables and interconnects) and possibly attribute particular characteristics of what they hear to one particular part of the system? Example: Not too long ago a poster mentioned that he had attended a show and in one room was a separate DAC in a system that he listened to. It was the first time he had experienced this DAC. He commented that it was the finest DAC he had ever heard. How do they do that?     |
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Post by villock on Jul 12, 2013 18:40:58 GMT -5
OK, this is for once a serious question. How can folks go to a show and listen in an unfamiliar room with a familiar or unfamiliar source to a setup with speakers, sub(s), amps (SS or tube), pre-amp or pre-pro, DAC, CD player (not to mention speaker cables and interconnects) and possibly attribute particular characteristics of what they hear to one particular part of the system? Example: Not too long ago a poster mentioned that he had attended a show and in one room was a separate DAC in a system that he listened to. It was the first time he had experienced this DAC. He commented that it was the finest DAC he had ever heard. How do they do that? Chuckie, when you know, you know |
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Post by pedrocols on Jul 12, 2013 18:58:56 GMT -5
I much rather see a music server form Emotiva over just another CD player. Did I just said "just another CD player?" Yes.I did say so...Just give me one second while I press play on my Squeezebox remote to play some flac files...Okay I am back...It literally took me one second |
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Post by brubacca on Jul 12, 2013 19:05:21 GMT -5
I much rather see a music server form Emotiva over just another CD player. Did I just said "just another CD player?" Yes.I did say so...Just give me one second while I press play on my Squeezebox remote to play some flac files...Okay I am back...It literally took me one second Same here. |
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Post by deltadube on Jul 12, 2013 21:25:58 GMT -5
OK, this is for once a serious question. How can folks go to a show and listen in an unfamiliar room with a familiar or unfamiliar source to a setup with speakers, sub(s), amps (SS or tube), pre-amp or pre-pro, DAC, CD player (not to mention speaker cables and interconnects) and possibly attribute particular characteristics of what they hear to one particular part of the system? Example: Not too long ago a poster mentioned that he had attended a show and in one room was a separate DAC in a system that he listened to. It was the first time he had experienced this DAC. He commented that it was the finest DAC he had ever heard. How do they do that? it must be magic! |
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Post by aztecax on Jul 13, 2013 0:32:15 GMT -5
I much rather see a music server form Emotiva over just another CD player. Did I just said "just another CD player?" Yes.I did say so...Just give me one second while I press play on my Squeezebox remote to play some flac files...Okay I am back...It literally took me one second Same here. Yuuup. J-River on a C.A.P.S. server, hooked up to my router with Ethernet. Oppo 103, also hooked up with Ethernet. Control on my iPhone. Aaaaah. |
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Post by jmilton on Jul 13, 2013 8:31:50 GMT -5
Chuckle. It's memory. If you attend a symphony, do you forget the sound of the venue? The performance? The voice of the soloist? Though we all talk about how short term audio memory stinks, our overall long term memory allows us to declare WOW or UGH! just as we walk into a room with music playing.
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Post by Jim on Jul 13, 2013 8:52:13 GMT -5
Chuckle. It's memory. If you attend a symphony, do you forget the sound of the venue? The performance? The voice of the soloist? Though we all talk about how short term audio memory stinks, our overall long term memory allows us to declare WOW or UGH! just as we walk into a room with music playing. But who is to say that the differnce isn't the room or the speakers? It's not easy to make an accurate comparison, no doubt about it. While I like your wow or ugh comments, Even a bad DAC with great components can elicit a wow. |
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