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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2013 12:26:30 GMT -5
> "Snob appeal and status" is what's usually said by someone who has never experienced a good tube-based system or who is simply jealous of those who can afford them.
A good fiend of mine has a Sonic Frontiers 200 wpc stereo tube amp; he just had it restored by the original engineers. And it sounds magnificent.
However, I have never seen a tube amplifier set away on a lower shelf or cupboard; they are always proudly displayed on the top surface: dust free, spot lites...
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Post by Chuck Elliot on Jun 7, 2013 12:36:45 GMT -5
......they are always proudly displayed on the top surface: dust free, spot lites....... I was thinking a special marble stand with a marshmallow grilling attachment if I ever get mine!  |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 7, 2013 15:15:17 GMT -5
However, I have never seen a tube amplifier set away on a lower shelf or cupboard; they are always proudly displayed on the top surface: dust free, spot lites... Sincerely /b Again (I guess running against the grain) mine are on the bottom shelf on either side, as close as possible to each speaker. I did use some server rails so I can pull the shelf out for biasing, cleaning, and to let the heat rise outside the cabinet. I even leave the tube cages on so they're not nearly as sexy as the 'exposed' Carver or other tube showpieces. I know what you mean, tube gear looks great, guess I'm just too 'functional' (and I even have ... dust). |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2013 15:28:19 GMT -5
>> How about a three ch or even a 5 ch tube amp at 100W a channel for HT tube freaks?  << Well, Butler makes a 5-channel tube/MOSFET hybrid amp (TDB-5150) that kicks out 150 watts/ch. for $2995. And it provides 225 watts/ch. into 4 ohms. Additionally, they have the TDB-3150 which is a 3 channel version for $2495. They also make the TDB-2250 ($2995) which has 250 watts/ch. (2 channels) into 8 ohms. Emo needs to surpass those figures and/or cost to be really competitive... -RW- The Butlers even have the Emo Blue thing going on - it's a perfect match for Emo's line of preamps/processors. www.butleraudio.com |
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Post by ed on Jun 7, 2013 15:42:28 GMT -5
I'd like to see a fairly low powered tube amp to use for biamping mid/tweeter and continue to use XPA's for the heavy lifting on the woofers
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Post by ocezam on Jun 7, 2013 19:39:59 GMT -5
"Snob appeal and status" is what's usually said by someone who has never experienced a good tube-based system or who is simply jealous of those who can afford them.  Agreed. With tubes, it's all about the sound. Tubes don't need to cost a fortune. You can do it right now on a budget. Emotiva getting involved will really help. ... |
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Post by ocezam on Jun 7, 2013 21:20:57 GMT -5
>> How about a three ch or even a 5 ch tube amp at 100W a channel for HT tube freaks? <<Well, Butler makes a 5-channel tube/MOSFET hybrid amp (TDB-5150) that kicks out 150 watts/ch. for $2995. And it provides 225 watts/ch. into 4 ohms. Additionally, they have the TDB-3150 which is a 3 channel version for $2495. They also make the TDB-2250 ($2995) which has 250 watts/ch. (2 channels) into 8 ohms. Emo needs to surpass those figures and/or cost to be really competitive... -RW- The Butlers even have the Emo Blue thing going on - it's a perfect match for Emo's line of preamps/processors. Correct me if I'm wrong... But aren't the Butler's hybrid amps? Combo tube and transistor? Not that I have anything against them, but lots of tube guys are purists. ... |
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Post by Chuck Elliot on Jun 7, 2013 21:23:44 GMT -5
If you're willing to learn how to solder and take your time there are a number of Dynaco ST70 clones available as kits for < $1000. Tubes4HIFITriode Store |
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Post by ocezam on Jun 7, 2013 21:40:59 GMT -5
I have a 10wpc stereo amp that retails for over $10K. Cost per watt is a COMPLETELY different animal in the valve world than with solid state. Tubes cost a LOT more.Yeah, but they don't have to. There are a number of examples of reasonably priced tube equipment, and you can spend 10K on a SS amp too. I won't even get into an argument on weather a Levinson is worth it's cost over an XPR. I wouldn't consider the price for the Levinson for a second, therefore any difference to me is moot. Same goes for a 2K tube amp and a 10K tube amp. At that price, I'm not even curious about it's performance. I'd be perfectly happy with a Rogue Audio amp. With emotiva entering the market, lot's of people are expecting products designed for people not wishing to spend five figures on audio equipment. I feel confident it will come to pass. ... |
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Post by ocezam on Jun 7, 2013 21:50:09 GMT -5
However, I have never seen a tube amplifier set away on a lower shelf or cupboard; they are always proudly displayed on the top surface: dust free, spot lites... Sincerely /b Sometimes I park my Harley in the living room. Although it's usually more than dusty, and there are no spot lites... ... |
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Post by garbulky on Jun 8, 2013 1:45:05 GMT -5
My VTL monoblocks are 450 Watts a piece, that's 900 tube watts using your method. Though I doubt I'd have paid over $10K to get them new, I found a nice used pair I've been very happy with. VTL also makes an 800 watt MB! But I can't recommend their customer service anymore, no follow up to eMails or phone calls. There's a place for Emo/Carver here. Yeah, I wish we could not do that. Power is quoted PER CHANNEL. It gets confusing when it's quoted wrong. ... I think in terms of stereo sound as that's what I have. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 8, 2013 6:20:50 GMT -5
Yeah, I wish we could not do that. Power is quoted PER CHANNEL. It gets confusing when it's quoted wrong. ... I think in terms of stereo sound as that's what I have. It's about industry standards, consumers used to have to sort out companies claiming all kinds of power ratings. Peak power, combining channels, combined peak, I've spent many hours (years ago) explaining why one amp's peak rating isn't the same as another amp's RMS. It's similar to how people here explain a receiver's two channel rating against Emo's all channels driven. Some manufacturers continued to try and mislead consumers with extravagant claims until standardized test and measurement techniques leveled the field. Power is first quoted per channel into 8 ohms, after that stating other ratings (like 4 ohms) is fine. It's not about how you think, but the impression you give others, it can be misleading and confusing. |
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Post by garbulky on Jun 8, 2013 6:50:24 GMT -5
I think in terms of stereo sound as that's what I have. It's about industry standards, consumers used to have to sort out companies claiming all kinds of power ratings. Peak power, combining channels, combined peak, I've spent many hours (years ago) explaining why one amp's peak rating isn't the same as another amp's RMS. It's similar to how people here explain a receiver's two channel rating against Emo's all channels driven. Some manufacturers continued to try and mislead consumers with extravagant claims until standardized test and measurement techniques leveled the field. Power is first quoted per channel into 8 ohms, after that stating other ratings (like 4 ohms) is fine. It's not about how you think, but the impression you give others, it can be misleading and confusing. I do understand what you are saying and I appreciate you taking the time to expand on it. I assume what you mean is that it's a monoblock and people may think it's a stereo amp? It's clearly described as a monoblock amplifier in the company website. If they aren't reading that bit at least, they'll have much bigger problems namely that they are buying tube gear! (not bashing tube gear of course) Have a good one. |
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Post by mgbpuff on Jun 8, 2013 8:17:22 GMT -5
Yesterday, I had a brief listening session with a Carver Black Magic 20 driving Klipschorns with a Audio Research preamp and a CD-9 source. I was impressed with the wide range sound with complete clarity driving these efficient speakers to high levels without audible distortion. Looks like this tube amp is a value winner at $2100 to $2400.  |
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Post by garbulky on Jun 8, 2013 8:24:26 GMT -5
I hope they basically introduce the entire bob carver series into the emotiva line. Everything I hear about them are just phenomenal.
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Post by brubacca on Jun 8, 2013 8:33:16 GMT -5
I think that it would be really great to put out a stereo amp or monoblock @35 per channel. Then you could choose XPA-1L or tube and see what sounds better, in your room with your equipment.
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Post by DYohn on Jun 8, 2013 9:44:54 GMT -5
The Black Magic 305 is $13K per pair, by the way.
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Post by Chuck Elliot on Jun 8, 2013 10:07:41 GMT -5
The Black Magic 305 is $13K per pair, by the way. Point of confusion here. The Black Magic 20 is a stereo amplifier 20W/Ch - Carver = $2500 The Black Beauty 305 is a Mono Block Amplifier 300W - Carver = $13K/pair |
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Post by DYohn on Jun 8, 2013 10:33:49 GMT -5
Thank you. The confusion was all mine.
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Post by danr on Jun 8, 2013 10:47:48 GMT -5
> "Snob appeal and status" is what's usually said by someone who has never experienced a good tube-based system or who is simply jealous of those who can afford them. A good fiend of mine has a Sonic Frontiers 200 wpc stereo tube amp; he just had it restored by the original engineers. And it sounds magnificent. However, I have never seen a tube amplifier set away on a lower shelf or cupboard; they are always proudly displayed on the top surface: dust free, spot lites... Sincerely /b One of my friends had a sonic frontiers tube amp paired with B&W Silver Sigs. Man, did that sound good. And even though I feel with the XPR-1s on my main channels that I have the "end game" in terms of amplification, I have to say that for music I would definitely add a pair of these Emo Tube amps for a change of pace if the price is right. |
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