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Post by mshump on Jun 14, 2013 18:33:14 GMT -5
Bob Carvers site now has Emotivas presence on it, with the there're "Pure Direct" statement.... " Emotiva pioneered the direct-sale audiophile equipment market. Now, with over a decade of selling direct, Emotiva has brought The Vacuum Tube Amplifier Company direct to you at prices that simply can't be matched. But selling direct to you at exceptional prices is just the start. Welcome to PureDirect—the approach that drives everything we do." So I think we are cool to discus, current and future possibilities. Ref Totally agree with you ! After reading through the thread it just seemed to move in the direction that this amp was too expensive for Emotiva. I was just stating that this was a Bob Carver Amp, not a Emotiva Amp. I wouldn't expect that he would rip off the Bob Carver nameplates and put on Emotiva name plates ann lower the price point to Emotiva type prices, though that would be cool !! |
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Post by ocezam on Jun 15, 2013 0:21:20 GMT -5
$1700 too expensive? Hmm. not in the tube world. You guys are thinking too low end with your Rogue and Jolida and kit amp comparisons. Carver amps are more entry high-end, in league with Cary or Lamm or Conrad Johnson or Audio Note. Yeah, that was exactly my point. Leave Carver's stuff where it's at. Market a value line under the Emotiva name. ... |
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Post by Ref on Jun 19, 2013 10:25:59 GMT -5
Well it looks like puredirect pricing have come into affect on the Black Beauty 305 and the Cherry 180, they have now been reduced in price to 7990.00 / 5990.00. I presume the price is per pair.
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Post by Absolute on Jun 19, 2013 17:08:43 GMT -5
I just saw earlier today one Black Magic VTA20S for sale (brand new) for $1,375
That is what, $325 or so less than its new low price (here).
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Post by bootman on Jun 20, 2013 7:53:45 GMT -5
Where? And where are these new prices posted?
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Post by Andrew Robinson on Jun 20, 2013 9:15:04 GMT -5
The Bob Carver amplifiers, according to the Stereophile report, are priced as follows...
Black Beauty Mono: $7,999/pair (originally $13,000/pair)
Cherry 180 Mono: $5,999/pair (originally $9,000/pair)
Black Magic Stereo Amp: $1,690
Existing Bob Carver customers who purchased their amps via a dealer at the old prices will receive a 50% off discount towards the new Bob Carver Black Velvet preamp.
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Post by Ref on Jun 20, 2013 10:10:24 GMT -5
What happened to the prices listed on bobcarver.com ? There was a purchase tab...but now its removed. Redesigning the site or ?
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 20, 2013 12:23:37 GMT -5
Redesigning the site or ? Paul is really dead ... |
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Post by Harrison on Jun 20, 2013 13:05:36 GMT -5
I'd really like to hear a comparison between the xpr1 and the xpa-1L. Can't imagine that I would ever need the power of the xpr1 but was thinking about it... just in case
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Post by Andrew Robinson on Jun 20, 2013 13:07:47 GMT -5
I'd really like to hear a comparison between the xpr1 and the xpa-1L. Can't imagine that I would ever need the power of the xpr1 but was thinking about it... just in case Working on such a comparison now  . |
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Post by ocezam on Jun 22, 2013 8:54:45 GMT -5
Existing Bob Carver customers who purchased their amps via a dealer at the old prices will receive a 50% off discount towards the new Bob Carver Black Velvet preamp. This is a very classy gesture! ... |
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Post by mgbpuff on Jun 22, 2013 9:03:41 GMT -5
Is the price reduction on Carver amps just that alone or is it accompanied by some component respecification that results in savings on costs?
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Post by eric84405 on Jul 1, 2013 19:02:05 GMT -5
Andrew,
Now you've got me intrigued. The XPR-1 is supposed to be the Big Dog. What can the 1L's bring to the party that the XPR-1 cannot? Do tell...
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Post by ocezam on Jul 1, 2013 21:18:45 GMT -5
Andrew, Now you've got me intrigued. The XPR-1 is supposed to be the Big Dog. What can the 1L's bring to the party that the XPR-1 cannot? Do tell... 35 watts of class A power. ... |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Jul 4, 2013 10:06:38 GMT -5
Hi guys,
I can't ever please some of you...
We've taken the all of the Bob Carver amps and done a very detailed cost analysis of them. That's what we do; we get to the bottom of things.
Just like Emotiva, we've taken our very simple cost and margin formula and applied it to the new Bob Carver amplifier costing. So, in the case of the Black Beauty, we've gone for $13k per pair down to under $8k. The 180's are now under $6k!
In the case of the Black Magic, we realized that their cost to build was significantly higher than they realized. It is a complicated amplifier with nearly as much build labor as the 305!
So, it costs $1690.00 delivered to your door, and IMO, it's worth EVERY penny. It is a surprisingly powerful and incredibly musical amplifier. And it's built like a gem, with nothing but the highest quality components and carries a 7 year warranty. And it's designed by BOB CARVER, the man!
Go ahead and buy a no name amp, full of no name parts. You'll get what you pay for in the end. We certainly could have made a knock off, but to what end? We're trying to make classic products that will last for your lifetime. Either you get it or you don't. There is one Bob Carver. These amplifier are made by skilled technicians in Nashville one at a time and they use all point to point wiring, no PCB's. This is very labor intensive and costly. But they are miraculous.
Geez, some of you would pay that much for an interconnect!
So stop complaining and enjoy. They are not for everyone and yet, we cannot keep up with demand.
Cheers,
Big Dan, the Bob Carver Man
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Post by mgbpuff on Jul 4, 2013 10:39:39 GMT -5
I'm pleased, Big Dan. My previous question was not intended to provoke, but,because I am an Emotiva supporter,to clarify how Emotiva can lower prices and retain the exact same Carver products. People on other blogs are questioning this and I just wanted to ask the question to clarify so maybe we can win over some more customers.
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Post by DYohn on Jul 4, 2013 10:44:44 GMT -5
I can't ever please some of you... ^^That says it best. Just do what you do Big Dan and those who know will follow. |
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Post by Porscheguy on Jul 4, 2013 10:49:29 GMT -5
Like I always say, the markups are very healthy when you have dealers. Imagine cutting all that margin out and still making money?
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Post by monkumonku on Jul 4, 2013 12:11:24 GMT -5
Hi guys, I can't ever please some of you... So, it costs $1690.00 delivered to your door, and IMO, it's worth EVERY penny. It is a surprisingly powerful and incredibly musical amplifier. And it's built like a gem, with nothing but the highest quality components and carries a 7 year warranty. And it's designed by BOB CARVER, the man! Go ahead and buy a no name amp, full of no name parts. You'll get what you pay for in the end. We certainly could have made a knock off, but to what end? We're trying to make classic products that will last for your lifetime. Either you get it or you don't. There is one Bob Carver. These amplifier are made by skilled technicians in Nashville one at a time and they use all point to point wiring, no PCB's. This is very labor intensive and costly. But they are miraculous. Geez, some of you would pay that much for an interconnect!
Cheers, Big Dan, the Bob Carver Man Haha... that is SOOOO right - and those who bought that interconnect would tell you how it was worth every penny!!!  |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Jul 6, 2013 12:35:11 GMT -5
Sorry if I've come off a little cranky on my last post, but for some reason we are always put in the position have to defend ourselves when when offer some of the greatest values on high end audio in the business. And we don't try to sell you a bunch of B.S.
I was making a point about an interconnect selling for $1690.00, but that's at the core of it. Brands get away this this because they are part of a distribution system that sees many people profit from this silliness. $50k for a pair of speakers, $5k for a CD player, $20k for amplifier... $2k for an interconnect, it's madness. But their are a lot of people making money on this madness! I'm not against retail distribution at all, but really folks, some of these prices and the claims made are insane and are a bunch of snake oil. THAT gets me mad, because it hurts the credibility of the high end end audio business in general. When I hear and see some of this stuff, I feel like I'm listening to a carny in a side show at the circus. Now as a disclaimer: there are those few brands that do build true artisan quality instruments that can reasonably justify their costs based on their production runs and the amount of material and work involved, but these brands are the exception...
I understand that there are people out there for whom price means nothing, and they are not happy unless they can tell their friends they spent $10k, or $100k on something. OK, fine. We can't ever get them as clients.
But for most audiophiles this is not the case. They are chasing a musical and emotional experience, and if necessary, they will spend more than they want to, or in many cases, more then they can really afford to in pursuit of sonic nirvana. If you've been to any of the hi-fi shows, 99% of the guys out there looking at $100-$200k systems will never be able to achieve their dreams.
At Emotiva and her sister brands, we are trying to bring an elevated listening experience within the reach of mere mortals. I never get used to the jabs and insults thrown at us by so many people on the outside. But I have come to understand that the vast majority of them fall into one of two camps:
1. They are a part of the existing distribution infrastructure and they profit from the status quo. They MUST attack us. WE are the enemy. We can never change their minds.
2. They already drank the Kool Aid. They have spent big bucks on other products and now they feel like they have been duped, but still, they are angry at US!. We must be derided and marginalized so that they can justify the money they have already spent. At the same time, the seeds of doubt had been planted.... they'll come around, because their logical mind will eventually overcome their anger. They'll take the leap and once they do, they will understand that we are for real. These guys will be our biggest supporters in the end. Because they will know from first hand experience that we are offering true high end gear that compares with any of the big boys.
One last comment about the Bob Carver gear. One of the big reasons we have been able to reduce the cost so dramatically is by using our purchasing leverage to dramatically reduce the cost of the materials used in the amplifiers. And no, we are not reducing the quality of the materials! We are just buying a whole lot more at once to gain purchasing leverage.
Anyway, I think I'm done for the moment.
Have a great weekend and thanks to all of you for your enthusiasm and comments.
Cheers,
Big Dan, the Emotiva Group Man
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