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Post by Bonzo on Nov 8, 2013 18:05:21 GMT -5
Do any of you guys know anything about the CD box set they released a few years ago? It is the Japanese Mini-LP boxset with all the albums including SRTM. I know it's remastered, but do you know if this is the same as the 90's remaster or? I need to go on Stevehoffman.tv I know they have a few threads on it there It's not remastered, they just released it all again. Actually it's the 3rd time being released in the mini-Japanese jackets, but the first time in the US via Rhino. The Japanese version was done on SHM CDs which have all this big hype but I say hogwash. The type of plastic a CD is made form will have ZERO bearing on the sound. If they did sound different then it was some men in Japan messing with things when they shouldn't have. As I said above, the Japanese CD mastering of the Celebration Day CD is just horrible. It's not even listenable. I have the U.S. Rhino version and have never even opened the box. Both the U.S. and Japan versions are from the same 1990 remastering. This new stuff coming out will be entirely remastered using modern equipment and techniques. |
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Post by Porscheguy on Nov 8, 2013 18:46:49 GMT -5
so much new stuff out now..... That's the entire problem, there isn't so much new stuff. When people used to ask me what the worst era of modern music was, I used to say the 80's. Well now I say the 2000's. It is by far and away the least talented and least creative era of modern music I have ever heard. Just my opinion of course, but I think most of it just sucks. On the flip side I believe the best 10 years of modern music was from about 1963 to 1973. Maybe 64-74 or 65-75, but somewhere in that area there-abouts. And no, this was not my time. I wasn't born until 1970, so the 80's was my time. I was born late. There is a lot of good music being made today you just have to look for it. Most older guys cling to the past because they know very little about what is available today. To retell a story there is a pub near my house and most of the guys who go there are 45-65. Almost all of them play nothing from this millennium, it's all from 1970-1990's. The real reason that most of them don't play anything new is because they don't know anything new. Most haven't even bought a CD in decades....... One guy plays Stevie Ray's "Voodoo Child" over and over again. He has ruined that song for me  You might have to dig a little harder, but it's there. I remember in the 70's and 80's when disco and electronica/dance were all the rage, there was still great music to choose from.... YMMV |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 19:00:41 GMT -5
Couldn't agree more. I believe Mothership was mastered for the download age. Luckily, the entire catalog has already been remastered for itunes last year so that's done. Hopefully the CD / Blu-ray Audio / Vinyl will be done all on their own as to not be contaminated by whoever / however Mothership was done. Jimmy produced the Mothership compilation but the blame goes to Jim Davis of Alchemy Mastering. He is the one responsible for the boosted freq debacle. Jimmy for the next remastering of the studio albums is handling all the duties himself for producing, sound engineering, mixing, and mastering. I will hope he does a stellar job, and makes this remaster the best sounding of all the different pressings. At some point I will get a TT and start collecting vinyl again. The plan will be to duplicate my LZ cd collection with the LP versions. BTW provide your collection.  |
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Post by Bonzo on Nov 11, 2013 11:15:54 GMT -5
That's the entire problem, there isn't so much new stuff. When people used to ask me what the worst era of modern music was, I used to say the 80's. Well now I say the 2000's. It is by far and away the least talented and least creative era of modern music I have ever heard. Just my opinion of course, but I think most of it just sucks. On the flip side I believe the best 10 years of modern music was from about 1963 to 1973. Maybe 64-74 or 65-75, but somewhere in that area there-abouts. And no, this was not my time. I wasn't born until 1970, so the 80's was my time. I was born late. There is a lot of good music being made today you just have to look for it. Most older guys cling to the past because they know very little about what is available today. To retell a story there is a pub near my house and most of the guys who go there are 45-65. Almost all of them play nothing from this millennium, it's all from 1970-1990's. The real reason that most of them don't play anything new is because they don't know anything new. Most haven't even bought a CD in decades....... One guy plays Stevie Ray's "Voodoo Child" over and over again. He has ruined that song for me You might have to dig a little harder, but it's there. I remember in the 70's and 80's when disco and electronica/dance were all the rage, there was still great music to choose from.... YMMV The problem is digging deeper means a computer anymore. It's not on radio, not even Satellite Radio that I've heard. There aren't any Record Stores to frequent to hear things on "now playing," or people to talk to while in the store. You need a computer to look for this or look for that, and you need to spend a lot of time doing it I think. I don't have that kind of time. I don't even have the time to learn how to find it all, or look through the hundreds of sites to find it. People say the computer world has helped bring more music to the forefront, but I say B.S., unless you have so much time in your life as to not do anything else. I've tried the likes of Pandora and some of the others and they are okay at best. Highly overrated. Downloading sucks as far as I'm concerned. It is NOT more convenient to me that's for sure. I'm certainly not one of those older guys that WANT to cling to the past. I'd love for new stuff to come out. I am so sick of old classic rock stations etc. it's ridiculous. I buy CD's all the time (albeit from Amazon) when I find something. Problem is anymore that's usually from desperation. What I can tell you is that almost all the music I've heard from the past decade has sucked. It lacks heart and soul. It lacks innovation. It lacks musicianship. It lacks originality. It lacks artistry. It lack talent. As a very mindless example, especially since I mostly loath POP Music, is Lady Ga Ga. To me she is nothing more than a modern day Madonna. I hated Madonna's music back when I was young. But the thing is, Madonna's music/talent blows Lady Ga Ga's crap out of the water. Lady Ga Ga is a cheap pathetic imitation. Now this is a very piss poor example of what I'm talking about, but I think it's an easy direct one to see. If you got some suggested sites for me to visit I'd love to see/hear them. I have gotten so bored with what I've heard that I'm now listening to more and more classical music. We attend 4 or 5 shows every winter performed by our local Dayton Philharmonic Orchestra. It's great. Album of the year for me is the Tedeschi-Trucks Band's Made Up Mind. If there was more of this we wouldn't be having this conversation. www.tedeschitrucksband.com/Cheers ---- Bonzo |
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Post by audiobill on Nov 11, 2013 11:42:58 GMT -5
There is a lot of good music being made today you just have to look for it. Most older guys cling to the past because they know very little about what is available today. To retell a story there is a pub near my house and most of the guys who go there are 45-65. Almost all of them play nothing from this millennium, it's all from 1970-1990's. The real reason that most of them don't play anything new is because they don't know anything new. Most haven't even bought a CD in decades....... One guy plays Stevie Ray's "Voodoo Child" over and over again. He has ruined that song for me You might have to dig a little harder, but it's there. I remember in the 70's and 80's when disco and electronica/dance were all the rage, there was still great music to choose from.... YMMV The problem is digging deeper means a computer anymore. It's not on radio, not even Satellite Radio that I've heard. There aren't any Record Stores to frequent to hear things on "now playing," or people to talk to while in the store. You need a computer to look for this or look for that, and you need to spend a lot of time doing it I think. I don't have that kind of time. I don't even have the time to learn how to find it all, or look through the hundreds of sites to find it. People say the computer world has helped bring more music to the forefront, but I say B.S., unless you have so much time in your life as to not do anything else. I've tried the likes of Pandora and some of the others and they are okay at best. Highly overrated. Downloading sucks as far as I'm concerned. It is NOT more convenient to me that's for sure. I'm certainly not one of those older guys that WANT to cling to the past. I'd love for new stuff to come out. I am so sick of old classic rock stations etc. it's ridiculous. I buy CD's all the time (albeit from Amazon) when I find something. Problem is anymore that's usually from desperation. What I can tell you is that almost all the music I've heard from the past decade has sucked. It lacks heart and soul. It lacks innovation. It lacks musicianship. It lacks originality. It lacks artistry. It lack talent. As a very mindless example, especially since I mostly loath POP Music, is Lady Ga Ga. To me she is nothing more than a modern day Madonna. I hated Madonna's music back when I was young. But the thing is, Madonna's music/talent blows Lady Ga Ga's crap out of the water. Lady Ga Ga is a cheap pathetic imitation. Now this is a very piss poor example of what I'm talking about, but I think it's an easy direct one to see. If you got some suggested sites for me to visit I'd love to see/hear them. I have gotten so bored with what I've heard that I'm now listening to more and more classical music. We attend 4 or 5 shows every winter performed by our local Dayton Philharmonic Orchestra. It's great. Album of the year for me is the Tedeschi-Trucks Band's Made Up Mind. If there was more of this we wouldn't be having this conversation. www.tedeschitrucksband.com/Cheers ---- Bonzo Get MOG right away! 320 kbps streaming rate, 16 million tunes, $5/month. Explore at so little cost! Bill |
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Post by audiobill on Nov 11, 2013 11:44:40 GMT -5
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Post by Bonzo on Nov 11, 2013 16:54:01 GMT -5
Jimmy for the next remastering of the studio albums is handling all the duties himself for producing, sound engineering, mixing, and mastering. I will hope he does a stellar job, and makes this remaster the best sounding of all the different pressings. Just curious where you got this information? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2013 18:16:32 GMT -5
Jimmy for the next remastering of the studio albums is handling all the duties himself for producing, sound engineering, mixing, and mastering. I will hope he does a stellar job, and makes this remaster the best sounding of all the different pressings. Just curious where you got this information? I first read about it when someone posted the article from the MOJO magazine issue #229 (Dec 2012) that mentioned it when they interviewed Jimmy. I will have to see if I can find the article to paste it for you. It also mentioned he was making each album a box set with alternate songs included as bonus tracks. |
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Post by Bonzo on Nov 11, 2013 18:22:05 GMT -5
Yes, the alternate tracks etc is for real for sure. I think they've gone back a forth a few times about the boxed set format, as to whether is would be one big one, or 2 smaller ones, or each album would be it's own, or some combination there of etc. Actually, I believe it's these tracks and how to finalize it all that's holding up the show. Robert has said JPJ owes him 2 cars and a Greenhouse to keep some JPJ sung tracks off the record.  It's the part about Jimmy being on top of it all himself that I'm really curious about. I hadn't seen that anywhere. Even back in 1990 he didn't do it himself. |
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Post by Bonzo on Nov 15, 2013 8:17:27 GMT -5
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Post by drtrey3 on Nov 15, 2013 9:00:27 GMT -5
About turning into an old fart and listening to old music, I have read that the reason that happens is that we are most impressed, neurologically speaking, with music that we hear around and just after puberty. A similar thing happens with language acquisition. It is easiest to learn a new language before puberty, after the onset of hormones, not so much. Now I do like new music, but most of the new music I like sounds like the old music I preferred, well, around puberty!
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Post by Bonzo on Nov 15, 2013 10:33:19 GMT -5
About turning into an old fart and listening to old music, I have read that the reason that happens is that we are most impressed, neurologically speaking, with music that we hear around and just after puberty. A similar thing happens with language acquisition. It is easiest to learn a new language before puberty, after the onset of hormones, not so much. Now I do like new music, but most of the new music I like sounds like the old music I preferred, well, around puberty! Trey Yep, everyone is prejudiced to the music of their youth, from the age of about 10-12 to about 20-22. It's about a 10 year span. It takes true "music" people to overcome that and grow. Most normal people don't. Even if they claim to love "music," they really don't. They love the music of their youth or music that replicates it, and that's it. I'm not knocking those people. They might have 10,000 CD's which proves they love music and I appreciate that. But when 98% of it is from the 80's when they grew up, and that's all they listen to, then they aren't true "music" people. For me it's not just about liking new music, as in newly made as in say, the last 10 years. It's about learning about and liking new m :)usic, as in different styles, different regions, different countries around the world, and, many times, going backwards in time. My friend Andy has gotten huge into 1930's music for example. My wife on the other hand has exposed me to all the 40's war era music, and big band. I have also found that I really enjoy what people in the U.S. call world music. But I generally frown on people who put down old music as being out of date or old and stale, like modern music is some sort of huge improvement just because, well, it's modern and people are smarter and have more talent now. Bull sh*t. Speaking of world music, check out this new Robert Plant video series. I LOVE the music being played. So far I only have a partial list to the sound track. If anyone knows what this stuff is I'd love to know. youtu.be/0O5Y9d0MQhA1. Ali Farka Toure - "?" 2. Tinariwen - "Imadiwan" 3. ? - "?" 4. ? - "?" 5. ? - "?" Cheers ---- Bonzo  |
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Post by garbulky on Nov 15, 2013 12:37:39 GMT -5
I do like Zeppelin! Though I only know a few of their songs. I enjoy Dolly Parton's stairway to heaven cover. That was fun.
Also d'yer maker.
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Post by drtrey3 on Nov 15, 2013 14:09:59 GMT -5
Good points Bonzo. For me, my growing edge is in acoustic guitar music and some jazz. That helps me grow while getting that clean mono vinyl of Revolver is the stuck side of me!
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 9, 2014 11:00:39 GMT -5
......UPDATE......
Week old news, but Jimmy posted some news about the upcoming re-releases on his website for New Years.
In a nut shell, the first batch of the new remastered series will be out this year, and it will consist of the first 3 albums. No real word on if it's a single box with all 3, or if they'll be separate boxes.
With this in mind, I'm purely speculating, but I'm thinking this means the next round will be IV, HOTH, and PG, then the last round will be Presence, ITTOD and Coda. Only time will tell. I just hope it doesn't take years for all this to see the light of day.
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Post by pop on Jan 9, 2014 11:59:23 GMT -5
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Post by drtrey3 on Jan 9, 2014 15:19:05 GMT -5
I have heard some of the tracks from the album. Killer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 0:02:34 GMT -5
I started learning by ear from Led Zeppelin's first album in 1969 with my 1962 Gibson SG. I fondly remember slowing the album down to 16 speed to grasp what Page was doing. Those were the days. I've been a Zep fan ever since!
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Post by Gary Cook on Jan 10, 2014 0:32:07 GMT -5
......UPDATE......Week old news, but Jimmy posted some news about the upcoming re-releases on his website for New Years. In a nut shell, the first batch of the new remastered series will be out this year, and it will consist of the first 3 albums. No real word on if it's a single box with all 3, or if they'll be separate boxes. With this in mind, I'm purely speculating, but I'm thinking this means the next round will be IV, HOTH, and PG, then the last round will be Presence, ITTOD and Coda. Only time will tell. I just hope it doesn't take years for all this to see the light of day. Shoot I hope it's good, of all my favourite 60/70's bands the Zep stuff that I have and have heard is the worst quality. Pink Floyd, Deep Purple, Moody Blues, Cat Stevens, Jethro Tull, Chicago, Black Sabbath, Eagles, Blood Sweat and Tears, Santana, Creedence (John Fogarty) etc all have pretty good to great quality releases, many on SACD. In comparison the Zep stuff is just not good enough and as my equipment gets better they just sound worse. Cheers Gary |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 1:05:35 GMT -5
Gary - I concur. I saw them at Western Springs, Auckland on the 25th Feb 1972 - I was 16 and I was in heaven amongst what I remember to be 20,000 others - people came from all over as it was the only concert in the country. The local pirate radio station transmitted some of it (audio only) and someone has uploaded 'Since I've been Loving You' from that show -it'd be a blast if more turned up www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHThzUYw0Hw Page was on FIRE and plant's voice was sooo strong. They blasted out of the traps with 'Immigrant Song', one I didn't like much but certainly did after that! Plant and Page ruled in a fantastic show of pout and slither but I remember that it was then that I was really struck by how much Jonesy contributed yet always remained in the background somehow. During Celebration Day at O2 Arena, 2007 he played bass with his feet on pedals under his keyboard - a master. And oh yes, the 1972 show? - 3 hours for $4.00 |
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