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Post by ocezam on Nov 23, 2014 18:25:56 GMT -5
No kidding, I hoped they would have one by Xmas. I realize this thread is about tube pre-amps specifically, but I think all of Emotiva's tube products will show up around the same time. So this comment is probably relevant: It was put out at the Emotiva on the road show in LA that Emotiva's tubes would show up "after the first of the year". I had a prospective deal drop in my lap for some new Carver 350 monoblocks, so I messaged two people with Emotiva (one an officer with the company) about the expected due dates for the tube equipment and a technical question involving the feedback design of the 300 watt mono's Emotiva will be producing. I was told that the release date is more likely the middle of 2015, and the monos will "at this time" have a fixed feedback of 20db. Well I could wait until june or so 2015 no problem, but 20 db feedback is too much IMO. It'll produce a sound that is VERY "tubey". Don't get me wrong, that will be perfect for lots of guys, just not me. My Jolidas have a fixed feedback of 5db. That's a bit low as far as I'm concerned. 8 to 10 db would be about perfect, again IMO. Well the Carver's have a variable feedback switch of 10/20 db. So I said, "screw it" and ordered a couple Carver Raven 350's. Should be here in a week or 10 days. Can't wait! Peace Edit: So every time I buy non-Emotiva I feel a bit like a turn coat. This company IS THE BOMB! So to make amends, I just bought an ERC-3 II and a new XDA-2 II. I really don't need a new CD player, I never use the Marantz I have on hand, my music is all ripped lossless, and my XDA-2 Gen I is likely as good as the XDA-2 II but screw it. They LOOK nicer. And the Gen II DAC's remote is more ergonomic. Yep, right now I have a bit of money burning a hole in my pocket. Like I said before, Screw It! Peace again! |
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Post by novisnick on Nov 23, 2014 18:31:09 GMT -5
No kidding, I hoped they would have one by Xmas. I realize this thread is about tube pre-amps specifically, but I think all of Emotiva's tube products will show up around the same time. So this comment is probably relevant: It was put out at the Emotiva on the road show in LA that Emotiva's tubes would show up "after the first of the year". I had a prospective deal drop in my lap for some new Carver 350 monoblocks, so I messaged two people with Emotiva (one an officer with the company) about the expected due dates for the tube equipment and a technical question involving the feedback design of the 300 watt mono's Emotiva will be producing. I was told that the release date is more likely the middle of 2015, and the monos will "at this time" have a fixed feedback of 20db. Well I could wait until june or so 2015 no problem, but 20 db feedback is too much IMO. It'll produce a sound that is VERY "tubey". Don't get me wrong, that will be perfect for lots of guys, just not me. My Jolidas have a fixed feedback of 5db. That's a bit low as far as I'm concerned. 8 to 10 db would be about perfect, again IMO. Well the Carver's have a variable feedback switch of 10/20 db. So I said, "screw it" and ordered a couple Carver Raven 350's. Should be here in a week or 10 days. Can't wait! Peace PLEAssssssssssse keep us up to date!!! 8) |
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Post by ocezam on Nov 23, 2014 19:14:20 GMT -5
Just be assured that what you buy today will be outdated in 2 years by something flashier and more features at the same price you pay today. That's true enough for digital HT products, not so much for 2 channel analog. HT bores me. My 2 cents. |
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Post by milsap195 on Nov 23, 2014 21:20:31 GMT -5
No kidding, I hoped they would have one by Xmas. I realize this thread is about tube pre-amps specifically, but I think all of Emotiva's tube products will show up around the same time. So this comment is probably relevant: It was put out at the Emotiva on the road show in LA that Emotiva's tubes would show up "after the first of the year". I had a prospective deal drop in my lap for some new Carver 350 monoblocks, so I messaged two people with Emotiva (one an officer with the company) about the expected due dates for the tube equipment and a technical question involving the feedback design of the 300 watt mono's Emotiva will be producing. I was told that the release date is more likely the middle of 2015, and the monos will "at this time" have a fixed feedback of 20db. Well I could wait until june or so 2015 no problem, but 20 db feedback is too much IMO. It'll produce a sound that is VERY "tubey". Don't get me wrong, that will be perfect for lots of guys, just not me. My Jolidas have a fixed feedback of 5db. That's a bit low as far as I'm concerned. 8 to 10 db would be about perfect, again IMO. Well the Carver's have a variable feedback switch of 10/20 db. So I said, "screw it" and ordered a couple Carver Raven 350's. Should be here in a week or 10 days. Can't wait! Peace Edit: So every time I buy non-Emotiva I feel a bit like a turn coat. This company IS THE BOMB! So to make amends, I just bought an ERC-3 II and a new XDA-2 II. I really don't need a new CD player, I never use the Marantz I have on hand, my music is all ripped lossless, and my XDA-2 Gen I is likely as good as the XDA-2 II but screw it. They LOOK nicer. And the Gen II DAC's remote is more ergonomic. Yep, right now I have a bit of money burning a hole in my pocket. Like I said before, Screw It! Peace again! Sweet buy on the carvers! I loved mine when they were the stock 180's but they are even better Since Bob modded them to run the KT-150. These amps are so versatile with the change on the fly bais and feedback. Post your thoughts or shoot me a pm when you break them in! |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 24, 2014 0:30:07 GMT -5
Just be assured that what you buy today will be outdated in 2 years by something flashier and more features at the same price you pay today. That's true enough for digital HT products, not so much for 2 channel analog. ... Agreed, two years is nothing in the context of this thread. Good analog two channel equipment doesn't become 'outdated' in two years, or ten for that matter. Good tube gear can last a lifetime. |
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Post by novisnick on Nov 24, 2014 0:34:00 GMT -5
That's true enough for digital HT products, not so much for 2 channel analog. ... Agreed, two years is nothing in the context of this thread. Good analog two channel equipment doesn't become 'outdated' in two years, or ten for that matter. Good tube gear can last a lifetime. True!,,,,,,,Thank goodness!  |
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Post by Nodscene on Nov 24, 2014 9:43:54 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if the Emotiva tube gear has much if any of the tube sound. The only reason I state this is everything that's come out of Keith's mouth ever in regards to tubes haha. And he is directly involved with the new tube gear. In all seriousness, he has stated directly that while it will have a tube sound it won't exactly be prominent. I am going by memory and this was a while ago so things may have changed since then.
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Post by ocezam on Nov 25, 2014 8:02:53 GMT -5
20 DB feedback WILL have a prominent tube sound.
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Post by Nodscene on Nov 25, 2014 11:14:28 GMT -5
That's good to hear. I know little of tube gear and how it works so if that single metric is the deciding factor then that's good to know.
Thanks.
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Post by audiobill on Nov 25, 2014 13:57:23 GMT -5
If by "tube sound" you mean sweet mids, stunning imaging, wide soundstage and smooth highs, well then bring it on!
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Post by villock on Nov 25, 2014 14:30:34 GMT -5
If by "tube sound" you mean sweet mids, stunning imaging, wide soundstage and smooth highs, well then bring it on! I want some of that, oh actually I already have that  |
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Post by bluemeanies on Nov 29, 2014 10:22:06 GMT -5
I been debating about a preamp. Doing some small comparisons such as Rotel and the XSP1. A lot of good reviews about the XSP1. I found it difficult to compare it to a lot of hi-end preamps. I figure in some cases it's not always about how much you have to spend, meaning in the case of a preamp how much better sound am I going to hear from a $10,000 preamp compared to $1,000. Preamp.
I don't think my ears are that attentive anymore.
In a few months I will be buying new speakers putting my B&W 804S speakers on the market. I think that I am going to wait for Emo to put up there tube equipment that a lot of people are salivating for in the upcoming year.
I would hope besides tube amplifiers there will be at least one preamp from Emo.
Also I wonder if that preamp will have a DAC and if so I think there would be a need for a second pre without a DAC since there are many people who have and want an outboard DAC in their system.
I am one of them.
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Post by ocezam on Nov 29, 2014 23:23:56 GMT -5
If by "tube sound" you mean sweet mids, stunning imaging, wide soundstage and smooth highs, well then bring it on! Really? And your "sweet mids, stunning imaging, wide soundstage and smooth highs" is someone else's "muddy bass, midrange bloom with severely rolled off highs". Tube equipment sounds drastically different from one design to another, and there are specific reasons for this. I can unequivocally tell you that 20db of feed back is WAY more than I personally want to live with. It'll produce a sound that, to me, will be incredible in some instances (acoustic guitar comes to mind) but will have severely colored (read distorted) highs and lows. It's this coloration, or at least a degree of it, that we tube aficionados search for. But for me, there can easily be WAY too much of it. I deal with the lows by using solid state below 350hz. I deal with the highs by staying away from tube amps with too much feedback, and low power. Then again, and as I said before, 20db will be perfect for a lot of guys. Your amps are designed with 10db feedback. Nearly perfect IMO. Live with some at 20db and tell me what you think.... |
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Post by pedrocols on Nov 29, 2014 23:32:20 GMT -5
I can unequivocally tell you that any Emotiva tube electronics is not going to better what is already available. Potentially the same but undoubtedly better.
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Post by audiobill on Nov 30, 2014 5:47:29 GMT -5
If by "tube sound" you mean sweet mids, stunning imaging, wide soundstage and smooth highs, well then bring it on! Really? And your "sweet mids, stunning imaging, wide soundstage and smooth highs" is someone else's "muddy bass, midrange bloom with severely rolled off highs". Tube equipment sounds drastically different from one design to another, and there are specific reasons for this. I can unequivocally tell you that 20db of feed back is WAY more than I personally want to live with. It'll produce a sound that, to me, will be incredible in some instances (acoustic guitar comes to mind) but will have severely colored (read distorted) highs and lows. It's this coloration, or at least a degree of it, that we tube aficionados search for. But for me, there can easily be WAY too much of it. I deal with the lows by using solid state below 350hz. I deal with the highs by staying away from tube amps with too much feedback, and low power. Then again, and as I said before, 20db will be perfect for a lot of guys. Your amps are designed with 10db feedback. Nearly perfect IMO. Live with some at 20db and tell me what you think.... I did say "if you mean" |
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Post by brubacca on Dec 18, 2014 21:10:53 GMT -5
Any news about the news that we might be having?
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Post by brubacca on Dec 23, 2014 16:00:38 GMT -5
Rogue Audio just released info on their new tube pre-amp that will be shown at CES.
It looks awesome. Digital switching of inputs and ht bypass plus 4 tube pre-amp. Phono-pre also.
Any chance the Emotiva is similar? This fits the bill for what I really would like in my ht minus the price that I can't afford, $3500. Ouch.
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Post by pedrocols on Dec 23, 2014 16:11:31 GMT -5
Rogue Audio just released info on their new tube pre-amp that will be shown at CES. It looks awesome. Digital switching of inputs and ht bypass plus 4 tube pre-amp. Phono-pre also. Any chance the Emotiva is similar? This fits the bill for what I really would like in my ht minus the price that I can't afford, $3500. Ouch. It basically sounds like the pre-amp I already own. With the exception mine has 6 tubes... |
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Post by audiobill on Dec 23, 2014 17:07:31 GMT -5
As I've said before, Good tube components don't come cheap.
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Post by brubacca on Dec 23, 2014 17:15:36 GMT -5
I don't need cheap.. Just more affordable than $3500. I have to think that Emotiva could do this same pre-amp without tube headphone amp and with no phono or mm only for around $1500-$1700.
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