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Post by hemster on Jul 24, 2014 18:15:30 GMT -5
Personally I'd prefer the network player without a built-in amp. That way I can use my powered speakers and others can use amps of their choice. Just IMHO...
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Post by 4Play on Jul 24, 2014 19:28:09 GMT -5
I very much like and appreciate the screen on my squeezebox touch. It is invaluable in using the unit without having to break out an app /phone/tablet. This is how I use mine 90% of the time. In fact, I built a server without screen of any type and I find myself not using it as much as my squeezebox touch even though the touch is in my TV system. I'm not sure why that Teac unit is being touted so much. No digital out? So I am stuck with teac's version of music? Don't want their amp either. No thanks that unit comes nowhere close to the functionality I want in a player. You do not get Teac's brand of music. The internet radio is Vtuner, which is exactly in my Denon. Click on the link I prmustovided and read about the features and spec for the Teac. Someone mentioned a clock, someone mentioned Sleep mode, the Teac has this capability built in. What We Know:Emotiva is considering to add some form of Network Audio Player to their lineup. Nothing has been mentioned about what features it may/may not have What We Don't Know:What the Network Audio Player will be. Will it be a standalone NAP, Will it have it's own power such as a built inamp, Will it have speaker connects What options the NAP will/will not have. If the NAP will be produced at all. For the sake of this thread, we need to keep discussing the possibilities of an Emotiva NAP. We need to stay on topic and not take detours that may end up closing this thread. I posted a pic of the Teac model and supplied a link to the website that has all the features listed and specs for you to have an idea what has already been made. I am not saying the Emotiva NAP must look identical to the Teac. Emotiva already has a case/chassis that would be ideal to use for the NAP, less money involved to make a new case/chassis. I'm just happy to know that Emotiva is considering to produce a network audio player.
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Post by garym on Jul 24, 2014 19:43:48 GMT -5
Personally I'd prefer the network player without a built-in amp. That way I can use my powered speakers and others can use amps of their choice. Just IMHO... Ditto. And even without a DAC. But I can see a market for the "complete solution" also.
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Post by hemster on Jul 24, 2014 19:49:26 GMT -5
Personally I'd prefer the network player without a built-in amp. That way I can use my powered speakers and others can use amps of their choice. Just IMHO... Ditto. And even without a DAC. But I can see a market for the "complete solution" also. Sure.. but where do we draw the line? Include a CD player also? Why not an HD AM/FM tuner too... oh and also that clock and toaster!
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Post by garym on Jul 24, 2014 19:52:01 GMT -5
Sure.. but where do we draw the line? Include a CD player also? Why not an HD AM/FM tuner too... oh and also that toaster! We already have a bunch of those! The Denon mentioned, Yamaha, etc. (Sans toaster).
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Post by garym on Jul 24, 2014 20:00:14 GMT -5
I've still to be demonstrated with a pleasent player/server combo where the server would be on my NAS (and I'm ready to change NAS) and player would read all current hi def formats (up to 24/384 and DSD 128) with a nice search engine and tablet control app... One of the player manufacturers, Simaudio, claims that wifi does not support audio resolutions > 44.1/16: "Note: The Wi-Fi protocol doesn't support hi-resolution audio (anything higher than CD format's 16-bit depth). As a result, you may encounter issues when attempting to wirelessly stream hi-res audio. This not an issue caused by your MiND hardware or MiND app." www.simaudio.com/en/product/61-streamer.htmlIf that's so, I wonder how it manages to stream HD movies. I have noticed that my Sony BD player will not properly stream 96/24 audio from the server, but will play those files from a thumb drive. Anyone have any comment on that?
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Post by hemster on Jul 24, 2014 20:00:15 GMT -5
Sure.. but where do we draw the line? Include a CD player also? Why not an HD AM/FM tuner too... oh and also that toaster! We already have a bunch of those! The Denon mentioned, Yamaha, etc. (Sans toaster). Exactly! And none of those come with Emo sound and blue lights!
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Post by brubacca on Jul 24, 2014 20:00:34 GMT -5
Actually, I think that the Naim Unitiqute is almost the perfect device. (At $1,100 instead of $2,300 it would be perfect).
It is a complete solution, but you can tailer it. Want to use it as just a streamer, turn off the amps. 30W not enough, use the pre-out and add external amp. It can be just a dac, has analog in. Can be setup as ht bypass.
So I am not against a all in one, but it has to be flexible.
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Post by hemster on Jul 24, 2014 20:03:43 GMT -5
I've still to be demonstrated with a pleasent player/server combo where the server would be on my NAS (and I'm ready to change NAS) and player would read all current hi def formats (up to 24/384 and DSD 128) with a nice search engine and tablet control app... One of the player manufacturers, Simaudio, claims that wifi does not support audio resolutions > 44.1/16: "Note: The Wi-Fi protocol doesn't support hi-resolution audio (anything higher than CD format's 16-bit depth). As a result, you may encounter issues when attempting to wirelessly stream hi-res audio. This not an issue caused by your MiND hardware or MiND app." www.simaudio.com/en/product/61-streamer.htmlIf that's so, I wonder how it manages to stream HD movies. I have noticed that my Sony BD player will not properly stream 96/24 audio from the server, but will play those files from a thumb drive. Anyone have any comment on that? ..And yet they tout 24-bit support over WiFi? Never MiND!...
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Post by garym on Jul 24, 2014 20:05:56 GMT -5
Actually, I think that the Naim Unitiqute is almost the perfect device. (At $1,100 instead of $2,300 it would be perfect). That's still about 3 times what it is worth, given the cost of the necessary components. Without a DAC, but with an onboard screen and controller, it should cost < $200.
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Post by n9eryeah on Jul 24, 2014 23:12:06 GMT -5
One of the player manufacturers, Simaudio, claims that wifi does not support audio resolutions > 44.1/16: "Note: The Wi-Fi protocol doesn't support hi-resolution audio (anything higher than CD format's 16-bit depth). As a result, you may encounter issues when attempting to wirelessly stream hi-res audio. This not an issue caused by your MiND hardware or MiND app." www.simaudio.com/en/product/61-streamer.htmlIf that's so, I wonder how it manages to stream HD movies. I have noticed that my Sony BD player will not properly stream 96/24 audio from the server, but will play those files from a thumb drive. Anyone have any comment on that? ..And yet they tout 24-bit support over WiFi? Never MiND!... When I spoke with my authorized dealer he explained that 24-bit needed to be hard wired. So they at least are training there dealers not to tout anything. I did try the test with mine. As soon as I switched over to the higher res stuff it would drop out through wifi. I have had it wired since and enjoy it almost every day.
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Post by dave03hd on Jul 25, 2014 6:08:57 GMT -5
I have the PS Audio Perfectwave DAC, with a bridge where I wirelessly stream music from my computer from the back bedroom to my system in the living room using JRivers Media Center, works great! Now PS Audio has come out with a Direcstream DAC that converts to DSD. Would love to have it, but it retails for $6000. IMO it is WAY over priced. I think PS Audio has become to big for it's britches myself. I would like to see Emotiva come out with a DSD Dac that is a network player. With all the High end components that the XMC-1 has in it, at that GREAT price point, I'm sure as smart as Dan is, he could come up with a DSD DAC unit that is just as High End, but at a more reasonable price point. What do you think?
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Post by 4Play on Jul 25, 2014 12:31:51 GMT -5
It seems as if we have gotten off track from the original post.
It doesn't really matter to me which way Emotiva decides to take a network audio player. Just the fact that they are considering producing one is great news for all of us. We will have to wait until someone comments to see which path they decide to take.
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Post by DYohn on Jul 25, 2014 12:45:18 GMT -5
I prefer the no display at all look. All I need is a front end to receive the streams from my music server. No amp, no DAC, no screen, please. A USB output and a little blue LED to let me know it's on would be all I would want. I currently use either my PC or the iPeng app on my iPhone to control my player now, and that's all I need.
I look forward to evaluating whatever Emotiva eventually releases into the wild, assuming they do so.
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Post by 4Play on Jul 25, 2014 14:10:59 GMT -5
Emotiva has an uphill battle ahead of them. Whatever they decide to bring to market, it will not please everyone. The features you want may not be the same as I want. Bottom line is, there will have to be a happy medium if this has any chance of being produced. Hopefully, the product will please the majority of consumers, that is if it will be in production at all.
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Post by DYohn on Jul 25, 2014 14:29:00 GMT -5
Emotiva has an uphill battle ahead of them. Whatever they decide to bring to market, it will not please everyone. The features you want may not be the same as I want. Bottom line is, there will have to be a happy medium if this has any chance of being produced. Hopefully, the product will please the majority of consumers, that is if it will be in production at all. The same could be said for any product: thus the wide variety of brands and options available in the audio world. Vive la difference!
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Post by 4Play on Jul 25, 2014 17:05:58 GMT -5
I prefer the no display at all look. All I need is a front end to receive the streams from my music server. No amp, no DAC, no screen, please. A USB output and a little blue LED to let me know it's on would be all I would want. I currently use either my PC or the iPeng app on my iPhone to control my player now, and that's all I need. I look forward to evaluating whatever Emotiva eventually releases into the wild, assuming they do so. So,Emotiva brings out a network audio player and it has a display and a DAC, would you buy it?
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Post by DYohn on Jul 25, 2014 17:07:09 GMT -5
I prefer the no display at all look. All I need is a front end to receive the streams from my music server. No amp, no DAC, no screen, please. A USB output and a little blue LED to let me know it's on would be all I would want. I currently use either my PC or the iPeng app on my iPhone to control my player now, and that's all I need. I look forward to evaluating whatever Emotiva eventually releases into the wild, assuming they do so. So,Emotiva brings out a network audio player and it has a display and a DAC, would you buy it? No idea. I'd have to wait and see what it was, what the specs looked like, etc. But I'd certainly consider it.
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Post by ansat on Jul 25, 2014 17:14:20 GMT -5
This is what emotiva had at emofest. But I believe that this project was cancelled due to not being able to compete with other gear out there.
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Post by yves on Jul 25, 2014 19:41:26 GMT -5
I've still to be demonstrated with a pleasent player/server combo where the server would be on my NAS (and I'm ready to change NAS) and player would read all current hi def formats (up to 24/384 and DSD 128) with a nice search engine and tablet control app... One of the player manufacturers, Simaudio, claims that wifi does not support audio resolutions > 44.1/16: "Note: The Wi-Fi protocol doesn't support hi-resolution audio (anything higher than CD format's 16-bit depth). As a result, you may encounter issues when attempting to wirelessly stream hi-res audio. This not an issue caused by your MiND hardware or MiND app." www.simaudio.com/en/product/61-streamer.htmlIf that's so, I wonder how it manages to stream HD movies. I have noticed that my Sony BD player will not properly stream 96/24 audio from the server, but will play those files from a thumb drive. Anyone have any comment on that? The Astell & Kern AK240 uses "MQS Streaming" over Wi-Fi, and supports WAV, FLAC, WMA, MP3, OGG, APE (Normal, High, Fast), AAC, ALAC, AIFF, DFF, and DSF. The supported sampling frequency and bit depth for the Hi Res formats is as follows: FLAC, WAV, ALAC, AIFF: 8 kHz - 192 kHz (8/16/ 24 bits per sample) DSD Native: DSD64(1 bit 2.8 MHz), Stereo/ DSD128 ( 1 bit 5.6 MHz). [The MQS Streaming Server software comes in two versions, Mac and Windows].
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