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Post by Gary Cook on Aug 31, 2014 21:00:54 GMT -5
Gary Cook it is about more than EQ...re-read my post elaborating to bootman and audiosyndrome. And, I really want to avoid splitters...too much cabling in what is already a rat's nest. When this can be done virtually, why not? Mark Hi Mark I did read your post, several times in fact. Trying to gain an understanding of firstly why I would even want multiple equalisation schemes. I mean for 5.1 I want a flat output with no frequencies emphasised. For example I'm not sure how you could want certain frequencies boosted (or cut) for blue ray concerts and yet have certain other frequencies boosted (or cut) for movies. Let alone how boosted (or cut) frequencies would work across multiple blue rays, I can't think of how I could listen to say Roy Orbison's Black & White with one scheme and yet have another scheme for AC/DC Live at Donington. It's alien to me, just not something that I would even think about doing, ever. Cross off your first point. With the UMC-200 I have analogue and video inputs mixed for, as you describe, watching the game while listening to music. But I personally don't use it that often as I prefer the analogue path via the USP-1 for music, but it is there if ever I want it. Tick for your second point, it's already possible. Lastly, equalisation versus direct (Dirac On or Off in your example), I don't ever listen to multi channel (5.1) with equalisation off. Equally I very rarely listen to stereo (2.1) with equalisation on. Third point covered. What have I missed? I mean you seem very passionate about it and it's pretty unusual for me not to see why someone has such passion over audio, this time I'm stumped. Which doesn't mean you're wrong, just that I can't see the need for the passion. Cheers Gary |
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Post by klinemj on Sept 1, 2014 5:42:48 GMT -5
Gary Cook no problem if you don't need the feature I want (and it appears the majority polled do). Not everyone needs/wants the same thing. lonnie Dan Laufman check the poll results. The overwhelming majority believe fully configurable inputs are very important to have. It was reported that if enough customers wanted it, you would consider working on this for the XMC. The data look compelling...so how about it? Will you start working on it? (Of course, after Dirac is fully implemented and any other little cleanup items are done also...) Mark
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Post by linvincible on Sept 1, 2014 7:12:22 GMT -5
very important to me since I like playing a game, configuring my raspberry pi or browsing my movie library (for the girlfriend to decide what to watch...) while still listening to the music. Also valid for keeping an eye on firmware updates on the various gear...
That only easy through multiple video and sound input options on the different inputs...
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Post by sct on Sept 1, 2014 9:18:09 GMT -5
Of course the XMC-1 should have the same or more capability as the UMC-1 - this is a no-brainer. And of course Emo should implement this with the XMC-1 in order to shake out any bugs that might crop up and so that the RMC-1 does not suffer from these...
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Post by geebo on Sept 1, 2014 9:19:15 GMT -5
I voted nice feature but wanted to chime in here.
When it comes to watching one thing and listening to another, it's very easy with the XMC. We all know that you cannot watch one HDMI source and listen to a different HDMI source. That cannot be done with the UMC either. All that remains then is the possibility of watching an HDMI video source while listening to any non-HDMI audio source. All you need is something connected to one or more of those non-analog inputs. Those inputs use the last selected HDMI video source. All one would have to do is select the desired video source then select the desired audio source. In fact, you could just keep selecting any number of those connected audio only sources while keeping the desired video playing. You could select the tuner, switch to coax, analog, or optical then back to the tuner if desired.
With the UMC, you would set up multiple inputs. For example, one using the STB video and a CD player audio, another using the STB video and the tuner for audio, and another for the STB video and an analog source for records perhaps. You could set as many of these inputs as you wanted but you could not select a different HDMI input for the audio source.
With the XMC, you would select the input for the video source you wanted, then switch inputs to any other non HDMI source. The video will continue and only the audio will change. You can do this as many times as you want going from one audio only input to another and back again without getting even so much as a flicker in the video.
I just didn't want some to think that one could not watch one video source while listening to another. It's very easy with the XMC and in fact better in that you can switch back and forth between any audio only source with absolutely no interruption however brief in video playback.
And just so some don't get the wrong idea, the HDMI inputs can be configured to use the audio on that same HDMI input OR any non-HDMI audio. And there are many other configuration options you can set per input as well, such as speaker presets, listening modes for both two and multi channel audio, levels and lip synch. But as Mark correctly states, one cannot setup multiple inputs using one particular HDMI as a main source.
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Post by audiosyndrome on Sept 1, 2014 19:52:57 GMT -5
I voted no after reading geebo's excellent write-up on this subject. And the writeup also explained to me why I see HDMI video on the info screen EVEN WHEN I'm on an analog input. Thanks geebo: your writeup eliminated a call on my part to customer support.  Russ |
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Post by Gary Cook on Sept 1, 2014 20:37:11 GMT -5
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 1, 2014 20:41:19 GMT -5
Or 90% don't have an XMC-1 or understand the issue or don't take polls, or lurk. You can't make any implications with views, Mark is championing for a good feature, I support him. Edit: According to another poll there are about 50 XMC-1's in the wild - of people who come to the lounge and take polls. Seems like Mark might have quite a few of them. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Sept 1, 2014 20:48:44 GMT -5
Or 90% don't have an XMC-1 or understand the issue. You can't make any implications with views, Mark is championing for a good feature, I support him. I agree views are a always fluffy statistic, but the number of people who have ordered XMC-1's isn't and they aren't voting for it. In fact I suspect that 38 is small minority of the people who already have their XMC-1's, are using them daily and they haven't voted that they need it either. Maybe more smileys  Cheers Gary |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 1, 2014 20:54:20 GMT -5
In fact I suspect that 38 is small minority of the people who already have their XMC-1's, are using them daily and they haven't voted that they need it either. See my edit on XMC-1 numbers, since they're both polls on the XMC-1 they might correlate pretty well. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Sept 1, 2014 21:02:54 GMT -5
In fact I suspect that 38 is small minority of the people who already have their XMC-1's, are using them daily and they haven't voted that they need it either. See my edit on XMC-1 numbers, since they're both polls on the XMC-1 they might correlate pretty well. But that's like saying 5,000 people marched to say we should have every Monday declared a holiday compared to no one marching to say that we shouldn't. Bingo, every Monday is now a holiday (don't get excited, it's just an analogy). In any statistical comparison we shouldn't ignore the silent majority. Cheers Gary |
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Post by klinemj on Sept 2, 2014 6:11:43 GMT -5
Gary Cook ...yes,many did look and not vote, but also many of the views are people returning to see how the poll is going or what people said or to repost like I am doing now. And, at the front I put the below quote. So, many likely came and saw that and ignored the poll. And in any research, there are people who have opinions and care about the topic but choose to not participate. (I know...I have 28 years experience in consumer research as a profession!). If a person chooses to not vote, in no way should one presume their answer is "no" or "indifferent". Many of those would have been "yes's". How many of each we don't know but the numbers best reflect what we can estimate. So, I will stand by the poll results and say that the overwhelming majority want the feature. It should be worked on. Mark Please only check one of the first 4 boxes if you have been strongly considering one of Emotiva's TI-based pre-pro's. If you are not contemplating buying, check the last box but elaborate on your thoughts on the feature in your post.
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Post by ÈlTwo on Sept 2, 2014 10:50:44 GMT -5
I voted the same way George (geebo)did, and for the very same reason he did.
I was so excited when I first got the XMC-1 that I only browsed the manual. However, after playing with it, and realizing that the last video would stick as you changed audio inputs, it really became a very small issue for me.
More important, for me, is the size of the XMC-1's display, which makes it easier to select audio only inputs without having to turn on the TV.
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Post by Gary Cook on Sept 2, 2014 16:06:54 GMT -5
Gary Cook ...yes,many did look and not vote, but also many of the views are people returning to see how the poll is going or what people said or to repost like I am doing now. And, at the front I put the below quote. So, many likely came and saw that and ignored the poll. And in any research, there are people who have opinions and care about the topic but choose to not participate. (I know...I have 28 years experience in consumer research as a profession!). If a person chooses to not vote, in no way should one presume their answer is "no" or "indifferent". Many of those would have been "yes's". How many of each we don't know but the numbers best reflect what we can estimate. So, I will stand by the poll results and say that the overwhelming majority want the feature. It should be worked on. Mark Please only check one of the first 4 boxes if you have been strongly considering one of Emotiva's TI-based pre-pro's. If you are not contemplating buying, check the last box but elaborate on your thoughts on the feature in your post. Hahahahaha, we could have a long discussion about why most market research methodology is fundamentally flawed, as it defers to those that advocate (almost always a minority) and ignores those that choose to remain silent (almost always a majority). My belieif is the noisy minority should never _____ the silent majority. Another discussion for another day. I too stand by my review of the pole results, that being that the vast majority has expressed no opinion one way or the other. Hence it's not important to them.  Cheers Gary |
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Post by tesla on Sept 2, 2014 16:11:51 GMT -5
Why take an obstructionist position? If the capability for fully programmable virtual inputs doesn't appeal to you, then don't use the feature if/when it is implemented in the XMC-1. Why argue against it? You have no vested interest in whether or not Emo adds this feature, do you? From the perspective of probability theory, the sample size of this poll is too small to be statistically significant. All that can be said is the obvious: of those who responded to the poll, the vast majority are in favor of endowing the XMC-1 with this feature. |
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Post by novisnick on Sept 2, 2014 16:12:15 GMT -5
Gary Cook ...yes,many did look and not vote, but also many of the views are people returning to see how the poll is going or what people said or to repost like I am doing now. And, at the front I put the below quote. So, many likely came and saw that and ignored the poll. And in any research, there are people who have opinions and care about the topic but choose to not participate. (I know...I have 28 years experience in consumer research as a profession!). If a person chooses to not vote, in no way should one presume their answer is "no" or "indifferent". Many of those would have been "yes's". How many of each we don't know but the numbers best reflect what we can estimate. So, I will stand by the poll results and say that the overwhelming majority want the feature. It should be worked on. Mark Hahahahaha, we could have a long discussion about why most market research methodology is fundamentally flawed, as it defers to those that advocate (almost always a minority) and ignores those that choose to remain silent (almost always a majority). My belieif is the noisy minority should never _____ the silent majority. Another discussion for another day. I too stand by my review of the pole results, that being that the vast majority has expressed no opinion one way or the other. Hence it's not important to them. Cheers Gary Edit; thought I should eliminate my political opinion from the forum |
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 2, 2014 18:03:42 GMT -5
You know I voted yes. The more hook up options the better.
Edit: And by the way, I have never seen a poll on a forum where the amount of votes even came close to the amount of views. Even stupid pizza vs burgers polls have way more views than votes. You can not do that comparison when each time a person opens a thread another "view" number gets added. It's totally inflated.
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Post by LCSeminole on Sept 2, 2014 19:37:18 GMT -5
While I believe Mark's highly sought after "very important to me" feature is quite useful, I voted "nice feature but not important to me" as Geebo's logic/explanation mirrors my thoughts as well. Having played with the XMC-1 for sometime now, the flexibility of this unit has not deterred me from anything I've wanted to accomplish input-wise, so while I wouldn't balk at this in a future firmware, it just isn't at the top of my future feature suggestions. Keep on championing your feature though Mark! |
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Post by stephen on Sept 2, 2014 19:50:16 GMT -5
Current UMC-1 use case using the same source with multiple virtual inputs:
DVD - HDMI video and HDMI audio from BDP-93, subwoofer on via trigger, EQ, lip sync lag,...
CD - HDMI video and Analog audio from BDP-93, subwoofer off, no EQ, direct
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Post by geebo on Sept 2, 2014 20:18:03 GMT -5
Current UMC-1 use case using the same source with multiple virtual inputs: DVD - HDMI video and HDMI audio from BDP-93, subwoofer on via trigger, EQ, lip sync lag,... CD - HDMI video and Analog audio from BDP-93, subwoofer off, no EQ, direct The two HDMI outputs of the 93 could easily do the same. Or use an audio only input from the Oppo to the XMC and just before selecting that analog input, select the video source you'll want to view if you even need video for the task. Yes, there would be one more button to push or to program into a remote's activity. Don't misunderstand, I have no objections to virtual inputs so long as their inclusion does not affect some other feature or performance in any way. Why would I. But there is more than one way to skin a horse and I would in no way let that one aspect of input configuration keep me from enjoying the XMC-1. And I do enjoy it very much. |
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