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Post by ludi on Dec 30, 2014 15:13:14 GMT -5
I also have the 1.7s and I've combined them with two Rythmik 15SE. I just checked the website of Rythmik and these ones are no longer available, but there are plenty of others to choice from. In the past I used two (small) REL subs, but the Rythmiks are in a different league.
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Post by flatpicker on Dec 30, 2014 15:29:16 GMT -5
I also have the 1.7s and I've combined them with two Rythmik 15SE. I just checked the website of Rythmik and these ones are no longer available, but there are plenty of others to choice from. In the past I used two (small) REL subs, but the Rythmiks are in a different league. Thanks, very good audioholics reviews.... looks like sealed is the way to go for music emphasis... 30 day return... another good candidate... |
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Post by ocezam on Dec 31, 2014 18:27:27 GMT -5
[The "too slow" was what I was hearing from Wendell Diller at Magnepan, several months ago when I talked with him a couple of times. I have a few old cheap polk sub woofers, only one of which cost as much as $500. I've tried them with the Maggies and they are very distracting, which I thought might be because they are "too slow" :-) ....so I've been without a sub woofer for months in this setup, because I just can't bear the mismatch. Too slow is a ridiculous term. I'm an old Maggie guy and that phrase always grated on me. It illustrated nothing and has no basis in fact. Get a good, accurate, non-boomy sub and you'll be fine. I prefer sealed, but there are some great ported subs out there. Most cheap ported subs are the definition of boomy. They are "one note wonders". I'd get a good sealed sub that's happy up to at least 250 hz and cross over about 150hz or above. Maggies can make bass, but cones make better bass, all the way up to mid bass IMO. Peace |
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Post by ludi on Dec 31, 2014 19:51:25 GMT -5
[The "too slow" was what I was hearing from Wendell Diller at Magnepan, several months ago when I talked with him a couple of times. I have a few old cheap polk sub woofers, only one of which cost as much as $500. I've tried them with the Maggies and they are very distracting, which I thought might be because they are "too slow" :-) ....so I've been without a sub woofer for months in this setup, because I just can't bear the mismatch. Too slow is a ridiculous term. I'm an old Maggie guy and that phrase always grated on me. It illustrated nothing and has no basis in fact. Get a good, accurate, non-boomy sub and you'll be fine. I prefer sealed, but there are some great ported subs out there. Most cheap ported subs are the definition of boomy. They are "one note wonders". I'd get a good sealed sub that's happy up to at least 250 hz and cross over about 150hz or above. Maggies can make bass, but cones make better bass, all the way up to mid bass IMO. Peace I agree with most what you're saying, but not with your cross-over point. I've set my cross-over at 50Hz. For me the 1.7s have a good bass response, better than most cones. But maybe that's just me  |
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Post by ocezam on Dec 31, 2014 21:45:57 GMT -5
Too slow is a ridiculous term. I'm an old Maggie guy and that phrase always grated on me. It illustrated nothing and has no basis in fact. Get a good, accurate, non-boomy sub and you'll be fine. I prefer sealed, but there are some great ported subs out there. Most cheap ported subs are the definition of boomy. They are "one note wonders". I'd get a good sealed sub that's happy up to at least 250 hz and cross over about 150hz or above. Maggies can make bass, but cones make better bass, all the way up to mid bass IMO. Peace I agree with most what you're saying, but not with your cross-over point. I've set my cross-over at 50Hz. For me the 1.7s have a good bass response, better than most cones. But maybe that's just me What ever rocks your world brother... Peace |
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Post by Cogito on Dec 31, 2014 22:26:50 GMT -5
Too slow is a ridiculous term. I'm an old Maggie guy and that phrase always grated on me. It illustrated nothing and has no basis in fact. Get a good, accurate, non-boomy sub and you'll be fine. I prefer sealed, but there are some great ported subs out there. Most cheap ported subs are the definition of boomy. They are "one note wonders". I'd get a good sealed sub that's happy up to at least 250 hz and cross over about 150hz or above. Maggies can make bass, but cones make better bass, all the way up to mid bass IMO. Peace I agree with most what you're saying, but not with your cross-over point. I've set my cross-over at 50Hz. For me the 1.7s have a good bass response, better than most cones. But maybe that's just me In MY experience, the 1.7's bass drops like a rock below 50Hz. I cross mine over at 70Hz (12dB/octave) with great success. |
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Post by ocezam on Dec 31, 2014 23:19:03 GMT -5
I agree with most what you're saying, but not with your cross-over point. I've set my cross-over at 50Hz. For me the 1.7s have a good bass response, better than most cones. But maybe that's just me In MY experience, the 1.7's bass drops like a rock below 50Hz. I cross mine over at 70Hz (12dB/octave) with great success. In my experience, it's not that the bass drops like a rock at 50-60hz, it's that the bass is no longer punchy or dynamic. Even though on a SPL meter it is there. A perfect Maggie IMHO would be a panel speaker with a small 2 way planer driver similar to an MC1 physically connected to a quality 10", 12" sub, crossed at 250hz or so. Magnepan, more specifically, Jim Winey, created an incredible driver technology. His stubborn refusal to make any hybrid speakers is their downfall IMO. Planer Magnetic drivers bring a lot of advantages to a speaker designer. Much more than electrostats IMO. A hybrid Planer Magnetic driver combined with a high quality cone woofer is a sound to behold. It's everything a Martin Logan tries to be. And everything Magnepan refuses to be. That's why I am in the process of building a pair from scratch. emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/38926/diy-teaser...... |
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Post by ludi on Jan 1, 2015 15:47:27 GMT -5
I agree with most what you're saying, but not with your cross-over point. I've set my cross-over at 50Hz. For me the 1.7s have a good bass response, better than most cones. But maybe that's just me What ever rocks your world brother... Peace Mine does rock ... and jazz and classical. For fun I will try it a higher cross over, see listen if I like it more. |
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Post by klinemj on Jan 1, 2015 18:23:46 GMT -5
Anyone listen to an SVS PB13-Ultra or PC13-Ultra? SVS's website reco's them for pairing with Maggie 1.7's, and they have on board PEQ. Looking at Rythmik F15HP also. Any thoughts on SVS vs. Rythmik
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Post by Poodleluvr on Jan 1, 2015 18:58:19 GMT -5
Hmmm, ANY thoughts?
SVS: Warrants this subwoofer and all of its products to be free from defects in the workmanship for 5 years from date of purchase.
Rythmik: 5 years warranty on driver and 2 years on electronics.
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Post by jcam2881 on Jan 1, 2015 19:12:28 GMT -5
Anyone listen to an SVS PB13-Ultra or PC13-Ultra? SVS's website reco's them for pairing with Maggie 1.7's, and they have on board PEQ. Looking at Rythmik F15HP also. Any thoughts on SVS vs. Rythmik Mark I have he PC -12 plus.. Just shy of the 13.. It rocks seriously ... I would recommend them absolutely. Considering a pair of them actually. |
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Post by vneal on Jan 1, 2015 19:18:31 GMT -5
ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS start a sub crossover at 80HZ and move up or down from there
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Post by klinemj on Jan 1, 2015 19:34:35 GMT -5
I have he PC -12 plus.. Just shy of the 13.. It rocks seriously ... I would recommend them absolutely. Considering a pair of them actually. Looks like the 13 goes just a bit deeper and has 2 PEQ storage locations vs. 1. Either looks really interesting! Mark |
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Post by pedrocols on Jan 1, 2015 20:17:35 GMT -5
What ever rocks your world brother... Peace Mine does rock ... and jazz and classical. For fun I will try it a higher cross over, see listen if I like it more. I also have mine crossed at 50hz but I have two subs. |
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Post by milsap195 on Jan 1, 2015 21:18:29 GMT -5
Don't be fooled by allegedly Big subwoofers "too slow." I currently use two 15" subwoofers with MG12s and there is nothing "slow" or "boomy" about them. Proper placing and integration can be tedious but is all worth it! The "too slow" was what I was hearing from Wendell Diller at Magnepan, several months ago when I talked with him a couple of times. I have a few old cheap polk sub woofers, only one of which cost as much as $500. I've tried them with the Maggies and they are very distracting, which I thought might be because they are "too slow" :-) ....so I've been without a sub woofer for months in this setup, because I just can't bear the mismatch. I appreciate the suggestions so far from folks. I notice the JL's have a class d amp... that is intriguing though would have to dig deep in the purse to bring one home... a bit more than my target budget, but... the new e-series has a class d 1200w amp for the 10 inch e-110 and a 1500w amp on the 12" e-112... the e110 runs $1500, but there are a couple of new e112's on eBay for just a few dollars more. On the other hand, that seems an attractive price for a class d amp, maybe?... though I've only read about them and have no experience with them. I should probably search out some threads... And I agree with the tediousness of the proper placing and integration... I can't expect to get away from paying some dues with which ever model I finally spring for. There are no plug and play subs, are there? :-) I want two e-10 subs! They have been getting great reviews and I really like the small box. |
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Post by briank on Jan 1, 2015 23:00:59 GMT -5
The "too slow" was what I was hearing from Wendell Diller at Magnepan, several months ago when I talked with him a couple of times. I have a few old cheap polk sub woofers, only one of which cost as much as $500. I've tried them with the Maggies and they are very distracting, which I thought might be because they are "too slow" :-) ....so I've been without a sub woofer for months in this setup, because I just can't bear the mismatch. I appreciate the suggestions so far from folks. I notice the JL's have a class d amp... that is intriguing though would have to dig deep in the purse to bring one home... a bit more than my target budget, but... the new e-series has a class d 1200w amp for the 10 inch e-110 and a 1500w amp on the 12" e-112... the e110 runs $1500, but there are a couple of new e112's on eBay for just a few dollars more. On the other hand, that seems an attractive price for a class d amp, maybe?... though I've only read about them and have no experience with them. I should probably search out some threads... And I agree with the tediousness of the proper placing and integration... I can't expect to get away from paying some dues with which ever model I finally spring for. There are no plug and play subs, are there? :-) I want two e-10 subs! They have been getting great reviews and I really like the small box. I auditioned the JL e112 and was disappointed with their output. The SVS SB13 smokes it. |
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Post by oppman99 on Jan 1, 2015 23:25:44 GMT -5
Probably more than the op is looking to spend, but Funk Audio makes the best sounding subs I have heard up to this point. Not saying there aren't better, just that I haven't had ears on anything better. None of the subs mentioned so far are in the same league, and I have experience with JL, SVS and Rel.
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Post by Cogito on Jan 2, 2015 11:54:19 GMT -5
In MY experience, the 1.7's bass drops like a rock below 50Hz. I cross mine over at 70Hz (12dB/octave) with great success. In my experience, it's not that the bass drops like a rock at 50-60hz, it's that the bass is no longer punchy or dynamic. Even though on a SPL meter it is there. A perfect Maggie IMHO would be a panel speaker with a small 2 way planer driver similar to an MC1 physically connected to a quality 10", 12" sub, crossed at 250hz or so. Magnepan, more specifically, Jim Winey, created an incredible driver technology. His stubborn refusal to make any hybrid speakers is their downfall IMO. Planer Magnetic drivers bring a lot of advantages to a speaker designer. Much more than electrostats IMO. A hybrid Planer Magnetic driver combined with a high quality cone woofer is a sound to behold. It's everything a Martin Logan tries to be. And everything Magnepan refuses to be. That's why I am in the process of building a pair from scratch. emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/38926/diy-teaser...... Downfall? What downfall? My understanding is that Magnepan is doing VERY well. IMO Mr. Winey's stubbornness has earned him a lot of success, a plethora of accolades in the industry and a huge following. If you are missing the deep bass, adding a high quality/performance subwoofer has never been more affordable. With the right combination and setup, the results can be stunning. With that said, I think my setup would compare favorably with ANY hybrid design. |
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Post by djreef on Jan 2, 2015 15:39:06 GMT -5
Too slow is a ridiculous term. I'm an old Maggie guy and that phrase always grated on me. It illustrated nothing and has no basis in fact. Get a good, accurate, non-boomy sub and you'll be fine. I prefer sealed, but there are some great ported subs out there. Most cheap ported subs are the definition of boomy. They are "one note wonders". I'd get a good sealed sub that's happy up to at least 250 hz and cross over about 150hz or above. Maggies can make bass, but cones make better bass, all the way up to mid bass IMO. Peace I agree with most what you're saying, but not with your cross-over point. I've set my cross-over at 50Hz. For me the 1.7s have a good bass response, better than most cones. But maybe that's just me Maggies shouldn't be crossed over this low. Small planars aren't designed for this. Once the frequencies dip below 150Hz the distortion starts climbing. DJ |
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Post by pedrocols on Jan 2, 2015 16:40:58 GMT -5
I just hope that all of you giving advice here have had and listen to these speakers in your own room. However, that potentially doesn't mean your experience listening and mine are going to be the same or the OP.
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