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Post by bigred7078 on Mar 9, 2009 17:34:08 GMT -5
Is there any chance of getting a table of features that compares the UMC and the XMC? there already is a thread on this in the processor/pre-amp section |
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Post by flamingeye on Mar 9, 2009 17:34:15 GMT -5
Hay bigred7078 I thought you where into sacd ,that said granted you don`t have to have DSD over HDMI for multichannel sacd over HDMI but it would be nice & the XMC already has the capability I`m suer & I don`t think licencing would be the problem hell oppo`s $169 player can send DSD over HDMI so I would think the XMC is going to have this capability but if it doesn`t I`m suer emotiva has good reason for not having it & for wireless & or streaming if & when I decide to go that root I`m suer a squeezebox or the like is the better way to go, just my .02
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Post by bigred7078 on Mar 9, 2009 17:35:50 GMT -5
Hay bigred7078 I thought you where into sacd ,that said granted you don`t have to have DSD over HDMI for multichannel sacd over HDMI but it would be nice & the XMC already has the capability I`m suer & I don`t think licencing would be the problem hell oppo`s $169 player can send DSD over HDMI so I would think the XMC is going to have this capability but if it doesn`t I`m suer emotiva has good reason for not having it & for wireless & or streaming if & when I decide to go that root I`m suer a squeezebox or the like is the better way to go, just my .02 im not saying im not into the "wanted" specs, im just thinking outside of the box lol |
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Post by dougie085 on Mar 9, 2009 19:25:15 GMT -5
Pretty sure the licensing fee's for sending and decoding are probably very different. There is a reason DSD hasn't been cracked so that you can rip SACD's  |
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Post by flamingeye on Mar 9, 2009 20:47:32 GMT -5
Yea I didn`t think about that !! Well I can live with out still it would be nice to have but then again I never had/tried it so I mite not even like it I am addicted to bass management these days
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Post by nickwin on Mar 11, 2009 22:02:11 GMT -5
I didnt see it in this thread, but I may haved missed it... do we know the specific DAC and OP Amps that will be used in the the XMC?
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Post by fronn on Mar 12, 2009 10:51:03 GMT -5
I didnt see it in this thread, but I may haved missed it... do we know the specific DAC and OP Amps that will be used in the the XMC? The question has been asked several times already throughout the various XMC threads... We haven't gotten any answer on any of the requests. It seems they aren't ready to disclose it yet, as I can't imagine they just haven't seen the questions. All we know is the brand of ADC/DAC, which is listed in Lonnie's post.  |
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Post by jasonf on Mar 13, 2009 0:14:21 GMT -5
Just wanna say I hope that it uses a differential stereo dac layout...
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Post by hikinokie on Mar 14, 2009 10:29:51 GMT -5
The only radio stations here in Tulsa, Ok worth listening to are the jazz and classical stations. They both broadcast in HD so a HD capable processor would be a big plus to me unless it drives the price too high.
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Post by snmhanson on Mar 17, 2009 10:49:54 GMT -5
Sorry it was a little later than promised but here they are. Enjoy ;D XMC-1 Audio/Video Media Processor/Controller - preliminary feature set (updated 2/27/09) Twin Cirrus® 32 bit dual core DSP’s for uncompromised high resolution HD audio decoding Decoding support for Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital EX, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby Digital True HD, Dolby PLIIx, DTS, DTSES, DTS HD, DTS Master Audio, DTS Neo 6, SPDIF, PCM 8 channel (note: some audio formats only supported via HDMI) Dual Genesis® Torino high performance video scaling engines with full Faroujda DCDi® processing for main zone and second audio/video zone. Enables simitaltanouus or independent selection of any audio/video source Full HDMI 1.3a support You will have to excuse me as I am a bit of a novice on all of this. Does the above mean that I would be able to have two completely independant and fully featured audio/video zones with one XMC? I am trying to find a solution for one inside main listening/viewing area and one outside area as well. Both would have projectors and the inside would be full surround sound (at least 5.1) while the outside would only have to be two or three channel (although full 5.1 would be nice). I want to feed both projectors with HDMI as well and be able to watch and listen to seperate sources in each zone - whether the other zone is on or off and regardless of the source being used on it. It seemed like a pretty tall order for a single preamp but it kind of sounds like the XMC may fit the bill. I was planning on going with the UMC as I don't think I am decerning enough to appreciate the difference between the two, but this one feature may make me change my mind and hold out for the XMC. And, to take things a step further, will there be any way to have the above setup and also have a second video source in the main viewing area? I am thinking a flat screen for casual viewing would be a nice benefit. Preferably I would connect with yet another HDMI but it looks like the XMC may be able to down-convert to component (at least to some degree) which would be fine as well. I know I am asking alot about a product that doesn't exist yet but maybe someone could offer their insight into this? Thanks, Matt |
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Post by dougie085 on Mar 17, 2009 12:55:17 GMT -5
Yes it does mean you can have 2 fully independent audio video zones. They can also be together in such that you can have a projector and a plasma hooked up to the same pre/pro for those that have projectors in their main setup but only use them for movies and what not.
From what Dan had said before you can have 2 completely different video and audio sources playing in both zones at the same time.
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Post by dougie085 on Mar 17, 2009 12:56:31 GMT -5
One thing I would like to see is Op-amp sockets so those of us that like to tweak can do so |
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Post by aarheadc on Mar 17, 2009 12:57:21 GMT -5
The XMC-1 had two HDMI outputs for your main viewing area as well as another HDMI for your second zone that is completely independent and fully featured audio/video.
It sounds to me like the XMC-1 is your match made in heaven
EDIT: Oops, dougie beat me to it
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Post by Spiky on Mar 17, 2009 13:00:15 GMT -5
It looks like the video would have 2 zones, but not full 5.1 from audio. It only claims stereo analog output for zone 2. Maybe a legacy 5.1 via the zone 2 digital out? But then you'd need a 2nd processor, anyway.
I think only the Denon 5xxx receivers do two full 5.1 zones, amped or not. 2 UMCs (or XMCs, for that matter) would be a lot cheaper than that.
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Post by dougie085 on Mar 17, 2009 14:09:28 GMT -5
Well we haven't seen the rear panel of the XMC-1 yet. It could have outputs for 2 full 5.1 setups.
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Post by julien on Mar 17, 2009 18:34:04 GMT -5
It looks like the video would have 2 zones, but not full 5.1 from audio. It only claims stereo analog output for zone 2. Maybe a legacy 5.1 via the zone 2 digital out? But then you'd need a 2nd processor, anyway. I think only the Denon 5xxx receivers do two full 5.1 zones, amped or not. 2 UMCs (or XMCs, for that matter) would be a lot cheaper than that. Why would the HDMI to zone 2 be limited to only 2 channel (or no audio)? I would bet dollars to donuts that HDMI will/can output multichannel sound. |
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Post by Spiky on Mar 17, 2009 20:39:51 GMT -5
Well, that's not what I said. The specs show Zone 2 analog stereo output. I guess I didn't leave room for full HDMI output, that would be impressive.
However, digital output, esp bitstream via HDMI, requires an entire other processor. Which is the same as buying another processor just to have a whole separate setup in the other room. So, no difference on cost, etc.
Think of the practical issues. There really aren't very many ways to make dual audio useful in one processor. You need multiple sources, already set with discs or whatever. (this would be more useful with disc megachangers, or do you want to walk across the house to put in a DVD?) But then, presumably, you want the actual output (sound) in 2 rooms. So...are the amps with the speakers in the 2nd room? Why not just have the 2nd source, prepro, and amp in the 2nd room....the speakers and possibly amp are already there. And, of course, probably at least a few more hundred $$$ on a remote control system. And I mean remote.
No doubt a few people will find a use for such a machine, whether the Denon $7K receiver or the XMC if it proves to have similar capabilities. But it's got to be a tiny number. Zone 2 is typically used for recording output to a DVDR, whole house stereo audio, or other "smaller" uses.
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Post by paulav on Mar 18, 2009 12:35:18 GMT -5
Thank you very much for the update Lonnie. Looks like everything is covered as far as features I was hoping for, with the exception of one. The ability to stream video & audio from a media server and hopefully the INTERNET. Certainly looks like I may end up with a new Emo processor after all. Also a projected price would be nice. The XMC-1 sounds like its going to be a real STUD! Man... reading the features list gave me a woody. ;D just using this as an example not wanting to call out anyone in particular out...with that said... I dont understand why the XMC should have wireless streaming capabilities? It reminds me of the old saying "Jack of all trades, Master of none". I guess to each there own but if streaming is a requirement, there are most likely dedicated media streamers already available that fit the bill. Why include it in the XMC when you can get one now that probably does it better (obviously no ones tried it, but in my experience it always bears out that a dedicated something is usually better than a multi-tasking something; if you follow) Just my .02 I second that!!! Streaming music/video sounds like "sourcing" to me. Leave it as a source component. |
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Post by paulav on Mar 18, 2009 12:55:52 GMT -5
No desire on my part to see streaming or networking. SlimDevices/Logitech has the Squeezebox or if you want to spend the bucks, the Transporter. This is not a core competency that a pre/pro should have in my opinion. Mark. +1 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2009 22:30:48 GMT -5
ditto, +2
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