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Post by philt3m5 on Apr 7, 2015 19:06:19 GMT -5
Hello- I've been a longtime home theater / audio enthusiast. I've got a couple rigs. One for audio only and the other is a purpose built HT. I recently decided to do a couple upgrades to my theater as I completed it about 4 years ago and haven't touched it since. My theater set-up is: Pioneer Elite SC-05 as the processor and amp Pioneer Elite BDP-05 for the media source Dayton 1000 to power two Chase sealed 18" subs. Focal 836V fronts Focal CC-800 center Focal SR-800's surrounds Focal 806 rears Panasonic AE 4000 projector 125" Elite screen 7 seats (4 in front row / 3 in back on 12" platform Diffusors and ATS acoustic panels as room treatment on side and back walls (nothing on front yet) Room is about 22' wide and 19' deep and 7-8' tall (8' where the rear platform is) I'll get some photos up ASAP. I'm thinking first thing is to deaden the front wall. Next get an XMC-1 to take advantage of the Dirac room correction And at the same time, pick up either an XPA-7 or 5/2 combo (how would you decide which amp set-up?) Questions, comments, suggestions, ideas...?? Open to hearing what you all think. Attachments:
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Post by creimes on Apr 7, 2015 19:13:02 GMT -5
Can't go wrong with any of the XPA amps, IMO they are a great line for an even better price, I never noticed any difference between my XPA-5 and XPA-2, the XPA-7 would be perfect for a 7 channel system, nice speakers always benefit from good amplification, almost seems that's almost all you are missing in that setup and the XMC-1 of course Chad
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Post by vneal on Apr 7, 2015 19:39:40 GMT -5
I would say your plan is a well thought out one. Replace the weakest link. Your speakers are fine
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Post by philt3m5 on Apr 7, 2015 22:12:06 GMT -5
Thanks guys.
One thing I'm having an issue with is my subs. On the amp, I have the gain at around the '8-oclock' position. With zero being at around 6:30-7.
Anything more and the subs bottom out pretty easily.
This is with the volume on the processor at somewhere between -5 to -10.
Do I need more power? A better amp for the subs.
Does anyone use any of the Emo amps for subs?
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Post by creimes on Apr 7, 2015 23:27:54 GMT -5
Thanks guys. One thing I'm having an issue with is my subs. On the amp, I have the gain at around the '8-oclock' position. With zero being at around 6:30-7. Anything more and the subs bottom out pretty easily. This is with the volume on the processor at somewhere between -5 to -10. Do I need more power? A better amp for the subs. Does anyone use any of the Emo amps for subs? You do have a good size room there, much larger than mine, if you are a DIY kinda guy building a pair of 18" or 21" would benefit that room big time, and by DIY it's as easy as purchasing one or two knockdown sub boxes from say parts express and glue it, clamp it and finish it and install the sub driver of your choice. I recently just did my own build this exact same way using one of these drivers. This is my build threadIf you are not a DIY kinda guy then there are many other options but 18" is pretty awesome lol, Power Sound Audio makes some big ass subs as well. By the way I love your room, I wish I had the space and funds to do something like that wow sooo nice. Chad
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Post by creimes on Apr 7, 2015 23:30:15 GMT -5
HaHa I just seen you have two 18's, must have been looking at the wrong equipment list haha
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Post by creimes on Apr 7, 2015 23:31:55 GMT -5
I'm assuming the Dayton is not delivering near enough power to those subs, whats the RMS of the drivers ?
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Post by philt3m5 on Apr 8, 2015 0:31:07 GMT -5
Thanks Chad. I have No clue on the subs. They are the sealed 18" Chase Home Theater subs. I bought them used from a local guy. I mean they sound pretty good, but don't seem to handle going deep too well.
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Post by creimes on Apr 8, 2015 1:21:08 GMT -5
fattykidd what are your thoughts, you are much more versed in this area , I'm not familiar with those drivers at all.
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Post by vneal on Apr 8, 2015 3:39:46 GMT -5
Personally I think the JL Audio Fathom F112 sub is the best unit made period, pricey but for what you get inexpensive. One unit would work in a room your size. Your system deserves a top quality sub.Also I think the Oppo 105D cannot be beat as a BluRay/media source.
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Post by vcautokid on Apr 8, 2015 4:48:34 GMT -5
I would agree on Dual Subwoofers, as they will give you more headroom, and dynamics, and easier tuning in a larger room. The XPA-7 will be an amazing amplifier to drive your Focals effortlessly, with power to spare. The massive power supply, and secondary capacitance, and more see to that. Beautiful Theater you have.
Love your Theater seating. I am a pushover for great comfy seating. I'll bet when all done the way you like it, the movies you show will be mighty impressive.
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Post by novisnick on Apr 8, 2015 5:26:12 GMT -5
Personally I think the JL Audio Fathom F112 sub is the best unit made period, pricey but for what you get inexpensive. One unit would work in a room your size. Your system deserves a top quality sub.Also I think the Oppo 105D cannot be beat as a BluRay/media source. Hi, don't know about the JL Audio, I'm sure it's what venal says but a quick note about purchasing any BluRay at this time. If anyone intends to go 4K, I'd wait till Christmas or the 4K players hit the market, they are not that far off till release.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 8:45:24 GMT -5
Are the subs bottoming out or at they running out of power? Do you have a model #from them? Personally the JL subs are BEAUTIFUL but not worth the attached price tag... As Chad has suggested you could do some new drivers from Stereo integrity as you are in the states, some ultimax 18's would be stellar as well. They may even bolt right into your current enclosures. If in fact the chase drivers are the problem. I'm a mach 5 fanboy as well but really only recommend them to Canadians as it's more cost effective for us, to buy locally than to pay duties and shipping of the American counterparts. What are the memeasurements of the existing enclosures? So we can get an idea of air space... What is the cu ft of your room? I'd also recommend an xmc-1 and an xpa7 as they will be much better than the current pioneer, Imho.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 8:47:01 GMT -5
Oh and that's a GORGEOUS room you have. I'm a little green right now.
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Post by novisnick on Apr 8, 2015 9:14:17 GMT -5
Oh and that's a GORGEOUS room you have. I'm a little green right now. Me too!!
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Post by djoel on Apr 8, 2015 9:17:06 GMT -5
Personally I think the JL Audio Fathom F112 sub is the best unit made period, pricey but for what you get inexpensive. One unit would work in a room your size. Your system deserves a top quality sub.Also I think the Oppo 105D cannot be beat as a BluRay/media source. I made the huge mistake selling my F113, as I did love the clean un-muddy bass coming from it especially for music for movies it just rocked my apt from end to end. The finish, the build was all incredible, now I don't know if I could afford one unless I get a nice bonus from work. Now they're finally doing a newer version, so I guess it will improve on the Fathom lines weakness, but will see. Djoel
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Post by philt3m5 on Apr 8, 2015 19:50:58 GMT -5
Are the subs bottoming out or at they running out of power? Do you have a model #from them? Personally the JL subs are BEAUTIFUL but not worth the attached price tag... As Chad has suggested you could do some new drivers from Stereo integrity as you are in the states, some ultimax 18's would be stellar as well. They may even bolt right into your current enclosures. If in fact the chase drivers are the problem. I'm a mach 5 fanboy as well but really only recommend them to Canadians as it's more cost effective for us, to buy locally than to pay duties and shipping of the American counterparts. What are the memeasurements of the existing enclosures? So we can get an idea of air space... What is the cu ft of your room? I'd also recommend an xmc-1 and an xpa7 as they will be much better than the current pioneer, Imho. Ivor Hi Ivor- I BELIEVE they are bottoming out. It sounds like they are going beyond their excursion point. Or there's not enough power to properly 'control' the excursion?.. I'm no expert, so I'm speculating here. My my room is 22' long, 20' wide and average room height of just over 7'. I'll see if I can dig up the model numbers. The enclosures are very basic with absolutely no markings. They were the original sealed 18" Chase Home Theater subs. I've attached pics of the Dayton SA1000 amp settings.
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Post by redog on Apr 8, 2015 19:58:36 GMT -5
Your theater is fantastic! I did notice your room treatment maybe needs something more substantial. www.gikacoustics.comI think this might be your your "next step"
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Post by hemster on Apr 8, 2015 20:03:35 GMT -5
I believe your next step should be to deaden that front wall (as you've suggested). Some bass and mid absorption would make a substantial difference IMHO.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 20:06:50 GMT -5
I found a good write up on the chase ss18.1 subwoofers on data-bass. It appears to drop off REALLY quickly after 45ish Hz so they are more than likely reaching their limits if you have setup your system to try and reproduce the full spectrum. They also stated that the enclosures are about 4.5 cu ft so "theoretically" a stereo integrity ht18 or Dayton ultimax should drop right in and be quite comfortable in the enclosure space. They have quite a bit more excursion and very reasonable power requirements. So you should be able to reach the lower frequencies without an issue.
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