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Post by geebo on Aug 5, 2015 16:16:54 GMT -5
Absolutely. there's no telling how much business Onkyo has lost to bad reviews and crap customer service. Look, these issues need to be addressed before they negatively affect business and brand reputation, not after. Besides, these companies have much deeper pockets than Emotiva has. Stuff like this affects them to a much less degree because they have costs for this built in. I consider Emotiva to be a step, or two above these guys, anyway. It's important that they react in a way that is congruent with their brand image. It just isn't necessary to launch an investigation every time a capacitor or transistor pops in some piece of electronic gear. I see it in automobiles all the time where a component fails and the manufacturer doesn't request the part back even if it's under warranty. During a new vehicle launch (not simply a new model year) they may ask for 100% of defective parts back only for the first few months of production. But after that, unless they have an unusual failure rate, they tell us we can scrap the parts. And once a car is out of warranty it may be recalled for something but it takes more than one instance of a particular failure for that to happen. |
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Post by brutiarti on Aug 5, 2015 16:43:39 GMT -5
Particle board, mdf or wod in cabinetry will need fire for a while before start burning. I will doubt that a blew cap with some smoke and sparks will burn any cabinetry. Unless you store some gasoline in your rack
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Post by monkumonku on Aug 5, 2015 17:06:15 GMT -5
Particle board, mdf or wod in cabinetry will need fire for a while before start burning. I will doubt that a blew cap with some smoke and sparks will burn any cabinetry. Unless you store some gasoline in your rack Don't some turntables and other vinyl products run on gasoline? |
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Post by DYohn on Aug 5, 2015 17:20:12 GMT -5
The warranty expired. What did you expect?
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Post by teaman on Aug 5, 2015 17:23:26 GMT -5
I think audiobill is just a little too sophisticated for me.. Probably true.....looking at your lineup, I suggest you consider changing your screen name to "emoman" or such. I always question why you hang out in this forum William, since it is obvious you do not like the equipment this company sells. All I see you post is antagonistic reactions to stir the pot in any given thread, such as your newly deleted "emotiva uses cheap capacitors leading to the fire in the UPA" fire thread. My guess is you were you bullied in school, were not good at any sport and took solace in teasing old men feeding pigeons in the park. Now as you take shelter behind the keyboard you feel rejuvenated and free to throw your two cents into every topic to initiate a response. Your crap would have never flown in my neighborhood, you would have been flicked in the ear and sent home crying... |
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Post by stiehl11 on Aug 5, 2015 17:48:07 GMT -5
Then the person putting inflammable material near electronics that need ventilation would be up for a Darwin Award.Folks have particle board cabinetry, doiles, foam treatments, etc. than can all be within range of a sparking unit. C'mon we all know how fires get started. It doesn't mean the unit turns itself into a fire bomb. There just needs to be a flame and an ignition source. My UPA-2 is next to my bed. It has a cheap "wood-type" picture frame on top of it (for sake of this discussion lets call it "kindling".) Next to it on one side is a scarf that I haven't put away from last winter (and will probably use it again before I do). On the other side is some cardboard craft-art my daughter made 7 or 8 years ago. This whole mass of potential inferno laden electronics is sitting on my cherry-wood dresser. Sorry, still not worried that it's going to spark a fire or worse. Why? Because a spark or an ember is not going to ignite any of that. Not only do you need a flame, but a sustained flame (or heat source) to get what ever is going to burn up to its ignition temperature. This is why your shirt doesn't catch fire when an ember from your charcoal grill or bonfire lands on it. If it's a big enough ember and it lands on you for long enough time then it might burn a small hole in your shirt. But your shirt isn't going to catch fire making you look like one of the two people on Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here album cover. Same way with bedding, doilies, MDF/wood cabinetry, etc. And if someone is dumb enough to use "foam" for sound treatment that would go up like flash paper then see the link ÈlTwo posted. BTW, offer still stands for jasonr to sell me his scary amps. I know that if there was a potential that there was something in my possession that could potentially hurt my family, I would give it away or throw it away without a second thought about what I have invested. |
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Post by garbulky on Aug 5, 2015 17:54:41 GMT -5
Y'all are very laid back!  See me, I don't start with the question how big a fire needs to happen unexpectedly in my house before I care. I sort of go straight to the "heck no" aspect to those types of issues. Call me a ninny  |
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Post by monkumonku on Aug 5, 2015 18:05:03 GMT -5
Folks have particle board cabinetry, doiles, foam treatments, etc. than can all be within range of a sparking unit. C'mon we all know how fires get started. It doesn't mean the unit turns itself into a fire bomb. There just needs to be a flame and an ignition source. My UPA-2 is next to my bed. It has a cheap "wood-type" picture frame on top of it (for sake of this discussion lets call it "kindling".) Next to it on one side is a scarf that I haven't put away from last winter (and will probably use it again before I do). On the other side is some cardboard craft-art my daughter made 7 or 8 years ago. This whole mass of potential inferno laden electronics is sitting on my cherry-wood dresser. Sorry, still not worried that it's going to spark a fire or worse. Why? Because a spark or an ember is not going to ignite any of that. Not only do you need a flame, but a sustained flame (or heat source) to get what ever is going to burn up to its ignition temperature. This is why your shirt doesn't catch fire when an ember from your charcoal grill or bonfire lands on it. If it's a big enough ember and it lands on you for long enough time then it might burn a small hole in your shirt. But your shirt isn't going to catch fire making you look like one of the two people on Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here album cover. Same way with bedding, doilies, MDF/wood cabinetry, etc. And if someone is dumb enough to use "foam" for sound treatment that would go up like flash paper then see the link ÈlTwo posted. BTW, offer still stands for jasonr to sell me his scary amps. I know that if there was a potential that there was something in my possession that could potentially hurt my family, I would give it away or throw it away without a second thought about what I have invested. Gee whiz, how are you even able to sleep at night?   |
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Post by stiehl11 on Aug 5, 2015 21:41:32 GMT -5
My UPA-2 is next to my bed. It has a cheap "wood-type" picture frame on top of it (for sake of this discussion lets call it "kindling".) Next to it on one side is a scarf that I haven't put away from last winter (and will probably use it again before I do). On the other side is some cardboard craft-art my daughter made 7 or 8 years ago. This whole mass of potential inferno laden electronics is sitting on my cherry-wood dresser. Sorry, still not worried that it's going to spark a fire or worse. Why? Because a spark or an ember is not going to ignite any of that. Not only do you need a flame, but a sustained flame (or heat source) to get what ever is going to burn up to its ignition temperature. This is why your shirt doesn't catch fire when an ember from your charcoal grill or bonfire lands on it. If it's a big enough ember and it lands on you for long enough time then it might burn a small hole in your shirt. But your shirt isn't going to catch fire making you look like one of the two people on Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here album cover. Same way with bedding, doilies, MDF/wood cabinetry, etc. And if someone is dumb enough to use "foam" for sound treatment that would go up like flash paper then see the link ÈlTwo posted. BTW, offer still stands for jasonr to sell me his scary amps. I know that if there was a potential that there was something in my possession that could potentially hurt my family, I would give it away or throw it away without a second thought about what I have invested. Gee whiz, how are you even able to sleep at night? It's hard some nights. But, I take solace in that, though I may be an idiot, I'm not stupid. And, that there's medication available to keep the things I do worry about from impacting my day-to-day life in a negative way. |
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Post by ÈlTwo on Aug 5, 2015 22:25:33 GMT -5
I like the word inflammable  |
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Post by audiobill on Aug 5, 2015 22:40:28 GMT -5
Probably true.....looking at your lineup, I suggest you consider changing your screen name to "emoman" or such. I always question why you hang out in this forum William, since it is obvious you do not like the equipment this company sells. All I see you post is antagonistic reactions to stir the pot in any given thread, such as your newly deleted "emotiva uses cheap capacitors leading to the fire in the UPA" fire thread. My guess is you were you bullied in school, were not good at any sport and took solace in teasing old men feeding pigeons in the park. Now as you take shelter behind the keyboard you feel rejuvenated and free to throw your two cents into every topic to initiate a response. Your crap would have never flown in my neighborhood, you would have been flicked in the ear and sent home crying... What a fascinating study in cliches.....sigh. |
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Post by garbulky on Aug 5, 2015 23:27:42 GMT -5
Come on guys both of you two are actually very nice people imo. In all seriousness. I think you two would be good friends.
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Post by djreef on Aug 6, 2015 0:19:25 GMT -5
OK, well if no one else it worried, then nevermind.
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Post by monkumonku on Aug 6, 2015 9:18:18 GMT -5
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Post by jmilton on Aug 6, 2015 9:58:06 GMT -5
I like the word inflammable An incendiary comment, if ever there was one. |
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Post by ÈlTwo on Aug 6, 2015 11:01:54 GMT -5
I like the word inflammable An incendiary comment, if ever there was one. You wanna start a fire fight? |
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Post by jmilton on Aug 6, 2015 11:24:01 GMT -5
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Post by geebo on Aug 6, 2015 11:31:44 GMT -5
You could get flamed for this... |
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Post by DavidR on Aug 6, 2015 11:47:56 GMT -5
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Post by jlamo on Aug 6, 2015 13:49:57 GMT -5
Lets,take the amp to the local fire department and ask them if this peice of equipment and it's type of failure would cause a fire in its intended envirment. Than ask if it's failure is any more dangerous than a clothes dryer or gas oven/water heater ect. If the fire stays contained in the box than who cares. We put fireplaces in our house and deal with its potential problems like fire,smoke and carbon monoxide and sometimes the failure is catastrophic and sometimes it's not. I assume that all agree that all equipment will fail at some point ,so when it does what type of failure is reasonable and what is a acceptable standard. Time or how long it took to fail is irrelevant because in any length of time it should be a safe failure. I bet those of us who use candles or smoke cigarette in our house (I dont) have a greater chance of burning the house down then this amp has.
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See me, I don't start with the question how big a fire needs to happen unexpectedly in my house before I care. I sort of go straight to the "heck no" aspect to those types of issues. Call me a ninny 
