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Post by thoff on Dec 7, 2016 19:34:47 GMT -5
Looking good for my purposes. Eager to see the S15 specs as well.
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Post by garbulky on Dec 7, 2016 19:44:27 GMT -5
Ah...the Airmotiv subwoofers are sealed units with a passive radiator!
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Post by garbulky on Dec 7, 2016 19:46:54 GMT -5
Does anybody know if the basx or airmotiv subs will be available on Amazon?
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Post by Chuck Elliot on Dec 7, 2016 19:54:17 GMT -5
Ah...the Airmotiv subwoofers are sealed units with a passive radiator! All 3 are different: Bass Reflex Sealed Passive Radiator They each have a different roll-off slope!  |
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Post by goozoo on Dec 8, 2016 10:53:49 GMT -5
In looking at the specs for the subs, it shows that they only measure down to 24Hz. This is strange given their design which would seem to indicate that they could go down to at least 20Hz. While the in room response will probably be lower than 24 I can't understand why these subs would be spec'd out like this especially when their goal is to compete with the likes of other mfg. like SVS, HSU, etc. We'll have to wait until the S15 is released to see if they have improved on these numbers.
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Post by thoff on Dec 8, 2016 18:54:36 GMT -5
The User's Manual states the Airmotiv S15 is 20-200 at +/-3db.
Also just noticed they posted frequency response graphs for the 10 and 12. The normal graph for the S12 is not showing up, but the LF is.
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Post by Dan Laufman on Dec 8, 2016 20:38:11 GMT -5
In looking at the specs for the subs, it shows that they only measure down to 24Hz. This is strange given their design which would seem to indicate that they could go down to at least 20Hz. While the in room response will probably be lower than 24 I can't understand why these subs would be spec'd out like this especially when their goal is to compete with the likes of other mfg. like SVS, HSU, etc. We'll have to wait until the S15 is released to see if they have improved on these numbers. Rory has released very conservative number for these subs. There are huge variations in the stated specifications of subwoofers on the market. I see a well know subwoofer stating 250 watts of RMS power... who knows under what conditions... and then the same amplifier is rated at 1,000 watts of "short term" power... really? You believe this as a customer? I don't. And it uses a BASH engine with a 300 watt maximum power consumption... magic, I guess. Same with LF extension. Under what conditions? All of our numbers are free field without boundary gain. As in, conservative. The you look at them cost-wise compared to their direct competition, I think they are extremely competitive. We have benchmarked subs from many brands in the development of these models and they are all outstanding at their respective price points. Also, the BasX and Airmotiv subs are relatively compact in size. This is so that they work in real homes. We can get more output from a giant box... but this is challenging for most people.. So, we have tried to find the sweet spot all around. We invite comparison... |
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Post by geebo on Dec 8, 2016 21:31:16 GMT -5
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Post by khurram on Dec 8, 2016 21:31:30 GMT -5
In looking at the specs for the subs, it shows that they only measure down to 24Hz. This is strange given their design which would seem to indicate that they could go down to at least 20Hz. While the in room response will probably be lower than 24 I can't understand why these subs would be spec'd out like this especially when their goal is to compete with the likes of other mfg. like SVS, HSU, etc. We'll have to wait until the S15 is released to see if they have improved on these numbers. Rory has released very conservative number for these subs. There are huge variations in the stated specifications of subwoofers on the market. I see a well know subwoofer stating 250 watts of RMS power... who knows under what conditions... and then the same amplifier is rated at 1,000 watts of "short term" power... really? You believe this as a customer? I don't. And it uses a BASH engine with a 300 watt maximum power consumption... magic, I guess. Same with LF extension. Under what conditions? All of our numbers are free field without boundary gain. As in, conservative. The you look at them cost-wise compared to their direct competition, I think they are extremely competitive. We have benchmarked subs from many brands in the development of these models and they are all outstanding at their respective price points. Also, the BasX and Airmotiv subs are relatively compact in size. This is so that they work in real homes. We can get more output from a giant box... but this is challenging for most people.. So, we have tried to find the sweet spot all around. We invite comparison... Hi Dan, Are you thinking of sending out review units? Not asking for myself  |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Dec 8, 2016 22:41:32 GMT -5
Of course... we'll have reviews out there very soon.
Really though, as much as I like reviews the proof is in the pudding.
If the product looks interesting, and it meets your needs just try it out. You can trust your ears and your eyes to tell you if it performs as advertised. Review or not. That's why we give it 30 days in your own home with your own gear to decide for yourself.
Nothing to lose by jumping in. 😁
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Post by Loop 7 on Dec 8, 2016 23:22:44 GMT -5
I was reading about the SVS PB16-Ultra subwoofer. Seems like overkill but there are other gigantic subs out there so obviously a healthy market. I wonder what the freight charge on 170 lbs is?  |
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Post by novisnick on Dec 8, 2016 23:34:41 GMT -5
Of course... we'll have reviews out there very soon. Really though, as much as I like reviews the proof is in the pudding. If the product looks interesting, and it meets your needs just try it out. You can trust your ears and your eyes to tell you if it performs as advertised. Review or not. That's why we give it 30 days in your own home with your own gear to decide for yourself. Nothing to lose by jumping in. 😁 Thirty day return, no questions asked! Thats how y'all sucked me in in the first place!! NICE  |
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Post by LuisV on Dec 9, 2016 1:32:14 GMT -5
I was reading about the SVS PB16-Ultra subwoofer. Seems like overkill but there are other gigantic subs out there so obviously a healthy market. I wonder what the freight charge on 170 lbs is? SVS offers free shipping and free return shipping. www.svsound.com/pages/bill-of-rights |
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Post by Chuck Elliot on Dec 9, 2016 2:25:37 GMT -5
On thing that bothers me is the fixed rubber feet. I have always put my subs on casters. This makes rolling out to clean easier as well as for moving around to test sub position.
The S15 is 95+ lbs. This is too heavy for one person to do unless you're 25 years old and strong as a moose.
My Rythmik F15HP Subs came with removable rubber feet and a standard M mount thread. It was easy to swap in casters.
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Post by Loop 7 on Dec 9, 2016 3:14:21 GMT -5
Whoa. Return shipping. That's virtually unheard of. |
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Post by Loop 7 on Dec 9, 2016 3:18:08 GMT -5
On thing that bothers me is the fixed rubber feet. I have always put my subs on casters. This makes rolling out to clean easier as well as for moving around to test sub position. The S15 is 95+ lbs. This is too heavy for one person to do unless you're 25 years old and strong as a moose. The big SVS is 170 lbs and I believe the JL Gotham is over 350 lbs. Make an adjustment? Call a friend with a forklift. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 3:33:19 GMT -5
On thing that bothers me is the fixed rubber feet. I have always put my subs on casters. This makes rolling out to clean easier as well as for moving around to test sub position. The S15 is 95+ lbs. This is too heavy for one person to do unless you're 25 years old and strong as a moose. My Rythmik F15HP Subs came with removable rubber feet and a standard M mount thread. It was easy to swap in casters. EC-Chuck, can you educate me? I removed the feet and installed casters on my old Speakerlab DAS-7 (kits), tall and very heavy towers back in about 1990. It was a four screw plate caster that looked great and worked great. You say the Emo sub has fixed rubber feet? Looks from the photo like a screwed in foot? (Can't be removed?) I googled a M mount thread (?) but still confused, is that some sort of thread insert for casters or tripods? PS: Most forklifts I've known won't fit thru a residentila door. Can't you simply remove the existing feet and use a low plate mount caster? Just curious. WC-Chuck BTW, no offense at all to Emo since the new subs look really nice, except for several minor issues for me, but why would you want to replace your F15HP? (I read nothing but raves about that sub.) Whoops, I had the FV15HP in my fuzzy brain but I went back and see the F15HP had great reviews too. |
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Post by Chuck Elliot on Dec 9, 2016 3:44:39 GMT -5
On thing that bothers me is the fixed rubber feet. I have always put my subs on casters. This makes rolling out to clean easier as well as for moving around to test sub position. The S15 is 95+ lbs. This is too heavy for one person to do unless you're 25 years old and strong as a moose. My Rythmik F15HP Subs came with removable rubber feet and a standard M mount thread. It was easy to swap in casters. EC-Chuck, can you educate me? I removed the feet and installed casters on my old Speakerlab DAS-7 (kits), tall and very heavy towers back in about 1990. It was a four screw plate caster that looked great and worked great. You say the Emo sub has fixed rubber feet? Looks from the photo like a screwed in foot? (Can't be removed?) I googled a M mount thread (?) but still confused, is that some sort of thread insert for casters or tripods? Can't you simply remove the existing feet and use a low plate mount caster? Just curious. WC-Chuck BTW, no offense at all to Emo since the new subs look really nice, except for several minor issues for me, but why would you want to replace your F15HP? (I read nothing but raves about that sub.) Whoops, I had the FV15HP in my fuzzy brain but I went back and see the F15HP had great reviews too. The manual says "fixed". Not sure what it means - hoping Emotiva chimes in - or I'll call support. M4 M8 M12 etc are standard metric thread/nut sizes. This is to replace my DIY 1259 subs, not the F15HPs which are more expensive. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 4:00:47 GMT -5
Got it. Thanks!
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Post by LuisV on Dec 9, 2016 7:28:06 GMT -5
Whoa. Return shipping. That's virtually unheard of. Exactly... makes home auditions a no-brainer. |
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