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Post by sid24 on Jan 17, 2016 4:55:35 GMT -5
Apologies for hijacking this thread.
I know its too soon to tell, but do you guys think that the EMP-1 would be better in sound quality than the Nuforce AVP18( also retails for $999)?
Not sure whether i should wait for the EMP-1 a couple more months.
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Post by rbk123 on Jan 17, 2016 9:57:21 GMT -5
A few thoughts -
- performance-wise they will probably be very similar/close so you'll need to look at the feature difference between them to see if one has something that's a key decision factor for you
- the Emersa will have Dirac, while the Nuforce only a parametric EQ. Dirac has made a very positive impact; some say very large, some say small, but haven't seen anyone say none
- time - how long can you hold out? The Emersa could take longer than Q2 as they've had dates slip in the past
- you can get the Nuforce new on Amazon/ebay for $799
If the EMP-1 does end up being $999 instead of $899, Emo will take a lot of well-deserved heat since their press announcements have said $899. I would guess to mitigate this, they'll list it at $999, but offer an introductory price for some time frame at $899.
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Post by dwaleke on Jan 17, 2016 10:39:27 GMT -5
I imagine there will always be a higher list price than selling price due to upgrade for life customers.
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Post by LCSeminole on Jan 17, 2016 10:40:29 GMT -5
Apologies for hijacking this thread. I know its too soon to tell, but do you guys think that the EMP-1 would be better in sound quality than the Nuforce AVP18( also retails for $999)? Not sure whether i should wait for the EMP-1 a couple more months. Comparison-wise, have you compared the AVP18 to a UMC-200? Feature set is pretty much the same. Yes I'm a fan of the UMC-200, had one in the home theater for awhile, tweaked it's P-EQ and was highly pleased with the results. I have however found Dirac to be even better. It looks to me that the NuForce is still HDMI 1.4, the EMP-1 will be HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2, this alone would have me waiting that little bit of extra time. |
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Post by bolle on Jan 17, 2016 12:53:11 GMT -5
The AVP18 basically IS an UMC-200 with light tweaking. The Nakamichi AVP-1 is also basically a UMC-200 - the platform is always the same Cirrus Logic Chips.
Imho the EMP-1 is clearly the better buy compared to the AVP18. More modern, better Features, should Sound at least as good.
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Post by rbk123 on Jan 17, 2016 15:30:07 GMT -5
I imagine there will always be a higher list price than selling price due to upgrade for life customers. Hit the head on the nail. |
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Post by Lsc on Jan 17, 2016 15:57:51 GMT -5
I imagine there will always be a higher list price than selling price due to upgrade for life customers. Hit the head on the nail. If that's the case, considering that the UFL is discontinued and there is a finite number now, they outta take a second look at truly rewarding us early adopters vs screwing us over. |
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Post by iqsy59 on Jan 18, 2016 11:19:29 GMT -5
Hit the head on the nail. If that's the case, considering that the UFL is discontinued and there is a finite number now, they outta take a second look at truly rewarding us early adopters vs screwing us over. i do not think that Emotiva has never done anything to "screw us over", and I do not believe that they are going to do this now. Great products, high quality, outstanding customer service, and extremely fair prices have always been part of my Emotiva experience! Cheers, Michael |
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Post by dwaleke on Jan 18, 2016 12:39:18 GMT -5
If that's the case, considering that the UFL is discontinued and there is a finite number now, they outta take a second look at truly rewarding us early adopters vs screwing us over. i do not think that Emotiva has never done anything to "screw us over", and I do not believe that they are going to do this now. Great products, high quality, outstanding customer service, and extremely fair prices have always been part of my Emotiva experience! Cheers, Michael Not sure what you mean. They have been doing it all along. I wouldn't call it screwing us. Just clever marketing. The UMC-200 always sold for less than list. XMC-1 is regularly on sale less than $2499 price. UFL and 40% discount card is always taken off list price. I bet the new processor will list for $999 and sell (for any marketing reason given - pre-order / holiday sale / etc) for $899. |
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Post by iqsy59 on Jan 18, 2016 13:19:54 GMT -5
i do not think that Emotiva has never done anything to "screw us over", and I do not believe that they are going to do this now. Great products, high quality, outstanding customer service, and extremely fair prices have always been part of my Emotiva experience! Cheers, Michael Not sure what you mean. They have been doing it all along. I wouldn't call it screwing us. Just clever marketing. The UMC-200 always sold for less than list. XMC-1 is regularly on sale less than $2499 price. UFL and 40% discount card is always taken off list price. I bet the new processor will list for $999 and sell (for any marketing reason given - pre-order / holiday sale / etc) for $899. I simply mean that you bought your processor for significantly less than the current retail, which means that you could almost break even if you wanted to sell it. On top of that, you "early adopters" received the card, which was always off of retail. Emotiva has had sales before there was UFL...I bought my XPA-5 on sale years ago, so that shouldn't be a surprise and I certainly don't perceive sales as a way to screw their customers. But I realize that value is only determined by the individual consumer, so I am not suggesting how you should feel. Only expressing how I feel about it. Of course, all of this is based on pure speculation of the introductory list price and possible sale prices that they may have in the future. I won't say any more about it, but at least they have heard you! Cheers, Michael |
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Post by jcisbig on Jan 19, 2016 12:59:27 GMT -5
I'm kinda surprised that we haven't seen or gotten more info and details on the emersa stuff other than what Dan shared in the videos. It's been almost two weeks since they've been shown, I'd like to see some tech specs and features and release dates and all that good stuff!
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Post by Axis on Jan 19, 2016 14:05:50 GMT -5
I'm kinda surprised that we haven't seen or gotten more info and details on the emersa stuff other than what Dan shared in the videos. It's been almost two weeks since they've been shown, I'd like to see some tech specs and features and release dates and all that good stuff! The Emersa Line is not scheduled for release until Quarter 2 of 2016. That is after April 2016. Lonnie told someone at CES 2016 that the units are still going thru testing to make sure there are no issues at release. CES is when all manufactures release a sneak peek of gear to come. After I realized that they are marketing in a different way and to a different consumer than normally comes here for information everything they are doing makes since to me. I suggest that everyone just be patient.  |
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Post by bolle on Jan 19, 2016 14:34:35 GMT -5
Which means delay again. At first they should be ready in 2015, then Q1/2016, now Q2/2016. The old game.  |
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Post by Axis on Jan 19, 2016 14:43:50 GMT -5
Which means delay again. At first they should be ready in 2015, then Q1/2016, now Q2/2016. The old game. I did not know about the Emersa Line until Dec 8, 2015 when information about them showed up on AVSForum. When did you find out ? |
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Post by Axis on Jan 19, 2016 16:05:18 GMT -5
I was lucky enough to visit CES after 19 years. Then I was there as an editor of a hi-fi magazine, now as a retailer for consumer electronics. We're not selling high-end audio, mostly TVs and consumer audio, so I went to visit the show in the Venetian hotel more as an audio enthusiast for the past 45+ years than a business visit. Also I have bought some six or seven years ago UPA-5 and UMC-1, so I've been reading posts on this forum for the past six years, mostly regarding processors, and heard every podcasts in the last six years, too. Therefore it felt like I knew these people already, even though I met them for the first time. I was in line for XMC-1 but eventually that processor got too pricey for me so I was waiting for a cheaper processor to come along. It seems Emersa's EMP-1 will fit the bill. The retail price will be 999$ (everyone at CES said that, and I talked with everyone except Mr. Dan Laufman), so with the 40% upgrade certificate from my UMC-1 this will be then 599$. It looks like it will be a hell of a lot of processor for that money (even for 999$ I believe nothing comes close). As Mr. Lonnie Vaughn said in a conversation it will even have newer Texas Instruments chips than XMC-1. I forgot to ask him about the HDMI version it will have, but it seems it will have HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 version, which makes sense with Ultra HD Blu-ray players around the corner. You will also be able to buy full Dirac version as for XMC-1, so that you can make your own target curves. It looks gorgeous in real life, much better than on pictures. Display was blue OLED on the displayed samples. Mr. Vaughn said he will need a few months more just to tweak the software and make sure it will be really stable and working without a hitch from the go on. And Mrs. Cathy Laufman said they expect launch in Q2. Which is OK, we have to be patient for a few months more. I believe it will be worth waiting. The other Emersa components look and sound great, too. Amplifiers are also modular, so customer can choose how many channels he or she wants. And they sound great, I was listening to a stereo set-up that is also pictured here among these posts. I was also listening to the new Airmotiv speakers, the two floorstanders, and they sound great, too. Very natural, open and smooth. I have listened in another room to Martin Logan bookshelf speakers with similar treble speaker, but Emotiva's Airmotiv sounds better, even if it is only the fraction of the price of Martin Logans. (This seems to be the case across the board: two of my friends and I were publishing a hi-fi magazine for 7 years in Slovenia, so in that time I have heard (and owned) many of the great high-end amplifiers, from the likes of Griffon, Copland, Densen, and NAD. I can tell you, UPA-5 that I have now is not much worse than any of those, and is better from many of them, even if it was only a fraction of their price - and we are talking about entry level Emotiva amp here.) Speaking of entry level, there were no components of the entry level BaseX line on display, nor there was any information about it. All in all it was a great visit to the Emotiva rooms, it was very good to meet these nice people and talk with them, and I can assure you that as well the Emersa line as the new XPA Gen 3 amps will be a huge success. Emotiva has really started the year in the best possible way. Can't wait what comes next! Thanks for the great CES information MausI am looking forward to the new Airmotiv T1 floorstander speakers. I have not had good luck with the HDMI receivers I have had. I read that HDMI boards go bad on many of the Manufactures gear. I am using a non-HDMI receiver now and been waiting for a low profile unit that will also provide adequate watts output. The fact that the EMP-1 will have HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 and I can then mate whatever horsepower I want to it has me very happy about it. I have good speakers but since I have spent time listening to the Airmotiv 5s powered monitors with there AMT high frequency driver I am sold on them. The low frequency output on the 5" drivers of the Airmotiv 5s go way beyond any 5" I have ever heard. The CNC milled MDF face of the Airmotiv's are very thick and hard as a rock. It is almost like they are steel. I think the cabinet construction of the Airmotiv's have a lot to do with there performance. My sony speakers have a 6 " mid woofer and tweeter that is sealed off from the lower cabinets low frequency driver. This may be the norm now but in the past is was always something I looked for in a tower speaker. I had been thinking the Revel Performa3 speakers as an upgrade but the Airmotiv T1 is a for sure upgrade for me now. When an editor of a hi-fi magazine and audio enthusiast for the past 45+ years post opinions, I listen ! Thanks again Maus Michael |
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Post by bolle on Jan 19, 2016 16:10:40 GMT -5
Which means delay again. At first they should be ready in 2015, then Q1/2016, now Q2/2016. The old game. I did not know about the Emersa Line until Dec 8, 2015 when information about them showed up on AVSForum. When did you find out ? The successor to the UMC-200 was scheduled for late 2015. Perhaps this is the Emersa, perhaps I am mixing Things up - anyway, neither processor showed up in 2015 or early 2016. |
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Post by dwaleke on Jan 19, 2016 16:13:18 GMT -5
Which means delay again. At first they should be ready in 2015, then Q1/2016, now Q2/2016. The old game. Nothing out of the ordinary here. Same as any company. Announce at CES and deliver before the next CES. If they hit Q2 (which to me means by June 30th 2016) they are doing well. Emotiva gets into trouble when they post all the information on the site and then no products appear. This community has punished them for doing that with the XMC-1 so I doubt they'll be doing that again (that's what bitching got us). My guess is stuff shows up on the site when pre-orders are ready to be taken and product is ready to be shipped. |
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Post by Axis on Jan 19, 2016 16:29:03 GMT -5
Which means delay again. At first they should be ready in 2015, then Q1/2016, now Q2/2016. The old game. Nothing out of the ordinary here. Same as any company. Announce at CES and deliver before the next CES. If they hit Q2 (which to me means by June 30th 2016) they are doing well. Emotiva gets into trouble when they post all the information on the site and then no products appear. This community has punished them for doing that with the XMC-1 so I doubt they'll be doing that again (that's what bitching got us). My guess is stuff shows up on the site when pre-orders are ready to be taken and product is ready to be shipped. There is constant complaining on this Forum. Right now there is someone complaining about there product page. I do not understand it. It reminds me of children in the back seat constantly saying " are we there yet " Is there this thought that they are punishing Emotiva and this company should do as we want on the forum ? Paint me anyway you want but I think we are very lucky that Dan Laufman decided long ago to make products that performed excellent at great prices. This company does not have too and I bet they would make a lot more profit. People would still buy there great products at much higher prices. The small amount of people that come here to just ridicule Emotiva would not phase this company. They do not now nor will they. It is just noise and a lot of it is ugly noise. |
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Post by millst on Jan 19, 2016 21:34:24 GMT -5
Nothing out of the ordinary here. Same as any company. Announce at CES and deliver before the next CES. If they hit Q2 (which to me means by June 30th 2016) they are doing well. Emotiva gets into trouble when they post all the information on the site and then no products appear. This community has punished them for doing that with the XMC-1 so I doubt they'll be doing that again (that's what bitching got us). My guess is stuff shows up on the site when pre-orders are ready to be taken and product is ready to be shipped. Yeah, I always get a kick when a company promises something in a particular quarter and everybody on the Internet assumes that means the first day of the quarter instead of the last day of the quarter. -tm |
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Post by knucklehead on Jan 19, 2016 21:55:22 GMT -5
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