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Post by goodfellas27 on Jan 20, 2016 18:08:33 GMT -5
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Post by LCSeminole on Jan 20, 2016 18:19:34 GMT -5
You must have better IMAX theaters than we do. Ours are still just 7.1 and they crank the sound so loud I have to wear earplugs  . I enjoyed the visual spectacle of Star Wars in the theater but I'll have to wait for it on Blu-Ray to enjoy the audio on my own system. I completely agree, every movie I've seen at the two IMAX theaters in my area have ended up sounding better in my home theater. |
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Post by millst on Jan 20, 2016 18:55:27 GMT -5
I saw Star Wars with Atmos and kind of thought the same, but then I saw another movie without Atmos and missed it. I just didn't feel as immersed in the environment. I think it is somewhat similar to side/rear surrounds. They should enhance the overall sound, but not necessarily distract from what is going on up front. Having said that, the sound in my theater is still better overall than even the Atmos theater I went to and I'm still not willing to spend the time/money to upgrade to Atmos (maybe in the future). -tm |
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Post by aussie21 on Jan 20, 2016 19:25:42 GMT -5
I have to say I Agree .The sound was solid with sound effects good, however I expected more from ATMOS. As stated before the sound wa exceptionall loud, louder I think than Saving Private Ryan. I am looking forward to thel BD disk
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Post by monkumonku on Jan 20, 2016 20:34:14 GMT -5
I have to say I Agree .The sound was solid with sound effects good, however I expected more from ATMOS. As stated before the sound wa exceptionall loud, louder I think than Saving Private Ryan. I am looking forward to thel BD disk Although I'm one who doesn't feel any interest at all in Atmos, it could be that the theater didn't have everything set up properly. Or, it blended in so well that you didn't notice it but you would notice if they removed it. When I saw it, the sound was really immersive although I didn't really notice anything special regarding height speakers. Your eyes as well as the context of the movie acts to make your mind place the location of the sound, too, providing the sensation that it is coming from a particular place. |
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Post by aussie21 on Jan 20, 2016 20:59:24 GMT -5
You could be correct, although the theatre was new only opened in December 15 so I would have expected it would have had the latest gear.I will have to go to more ATMOS released movies before I come to any final conclusions
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Post by Lsc on Jan 20, 2016 21:23:29 GMT -5
The Atmos theater by my house is far better than my system at home it's not even funny.
If I had a choice to watch a movie at my house or at the Atmos "xtreme" theater with that huge screen and the thundering bass along with all those speakers that completely envelop you, I'd take that theater everyday of the week.
Your theaters must be poorly done bc I don't see any home theater that would exceed this one short of spending a ton of money on a dedicated home theater.
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Post by ÈlTwo on Jan 20, 2016 21:29:51 GMT -5
So is the consensus that if perfectly set up, and perfectly recorded and mixed Atmos could be really nice . . . but not many theaters are set up correctly, and much like old 3-D movies that had a couple of items jump out at the audience, Atmos recordings have a few instances of immersion?
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jan 20, 2016 23:12:23 GMT -5
Glad to read that you have found out by now that you need to install extra speakers to benefit from Atmos or DTS:X... And while 5.1.2 would be beneficial over 7.1 for some people (namely those who struggle to insert Rear Surrounds), it really is not worth the bother, is it? In these things, quantity does count. Go 12 channel or go home... very uniformed response If you're going to criticize, you should work on you spelling.  |
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Post by millst on Jan 21, 2016 0:22:34 GMT -5
The Atmos theater by my house is far better than my system at home it's not even funny. If I had a choice to watch a movie at my house or at the Atmos "xtreme" theater with that huge screen and the thundering bass along with all those speakers that completely envelop you, I'd take that theater everyday of the week. Your theaters must be poorly done bc I don't see any home theater that would exceed this one short of spending a ton of money on a dedicated home theater. I disagree. It's much easier to get amazing sound and video in a 3000ft3 home theater than it is in a commercial theater space. Costs rise exponentially for things like bass output. If you're talking about the sheer scale of things, then I get that. A home theater isn't going to compare there. I still prefer the punchier image and house/recliner-shaking bass in a more intimate room. Your components look pretty decent. Maybe your Atmos theater is just really amazing. -tm |
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Post by millst on Jan 21, 2016 0:27:07 GMT -5
So is the consensus that if perfectly set up, and perfectly recorded and mixed Atmos could be really nice . . . but not many theaters are set up correctly, and much like old 3-D movies that had a couple of items jump out at the audience, Atmos recordings have a few instances of immersion? No, I feel that the entire experience was very immersive. It just didn't jump out in my face. I, then, noticed its absence at a different theater. I've heard of that 3-D jump in your face kind of experience in regard to Atmos demos at shows. Of course, it's exaggerated there to get people to notice the new/shiny. -tm |
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Post by Erwin.BE on Jan 21, 2016 4:52:42 GMT -5
Your Response truly is much more helpful - not. Has he tried 5.2.2 vs 7.1? Has he experienced it as "not worth it" ? It's like me saying auro 3D is a waste of time. Even though I have never heard it lol I believe you missed my point. I acknowledge 5.1.2 will be better than 5.1 if done right. Maybe 5.1.2 will be better than 7.1, that's possible. As you hint, I didn't compare these. What I meant to say is this most basic of layouts will not satisfy the majority of the punters who lust for Atmos. 5.1.2? Maybe I will try it if it's supported, but I would not buy the XMC-1 because of it. 5.1.2 is not a selling point for the XMC-1 is what I meant. Sorry for not making this more clear from the start, the blame is on me. |
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Post by mgbpuff on Jan 21, 2016 7:29:20 GMT -5
I'm tired of these arguments about the worth of immersive sound. If you don't have an immersive installation at home, or you have only heard it once or twice at a friends home, or if you have only heard it at a theater of questionable setup, then don't comment, you don't know. These arguments are from people trying to rationalize not having such a system now and trying to rationalize why Emotiva is not selling such a system yet. Emotiva clearly dropped the ball; dropped hell, they handed the ball to the opposition. |
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Post by donnbauer on Jan 21, 2016 8:06:38 GMT -5
The jury is still out, I wouldn't be too quick to condem Emotiva for "dropping the ball" on atmos, I can think of several companies who were criticized for not jumping on the Betamax band wagon..... Companies who "handed the ball off" to focus on their vision, not to chase will o the wisps. I bought my xmc1 because it focuses on what is important to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 8:19:37 GMT -5
without getting into the "drop the ball" argument
ATMOS is head and shoulders different than betamax....this is not even remotely close to a correct comparison
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Post by mgbpuff on Jan 21, 2016 8:34:01 GMT -5
Never in the history of home theater processors has the least featured processor won out.
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Post by bootman on Jan 21, 2016 8:59:26 GMT -5
Never in the history of home theater processors has the least featured processor won out. Won as far as what? |
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Post by mgbpuff on Jan 21, 2016 9:15:40 GMT -5
The onward march is always more features or more up to date features. For example, discrete channels vs matrix, digital vs analog, 3ch vs 2, 4ch vs 3, 5ch vs 4, 6ch vs 5, 7c vs 6, and on and on. Codecs have set the standard for up to date processors for some time now. Now one can choose to freeze in time of course, but the argument against those who choose to move forward is usually a petty argument.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 9:44:05 GMT -5
why is there always a big "BUT" with emotiva and their processors
XMC-1 is coming out finally! BUT it wont have hdmi 2.0 as promised
XMC-1 is finally coming out! BUT it wont have dirac for a few months
XMC-1 is OUT WITH DIRAC BUT...not full dirac yet...(another few months)
XMC-1 IS OUT with Dirac Full BUT wont work with a Mac
XMC-1 is out w dirac full both pc and mac BUT no hdmi 2.2 still
XMC-1 is out and will be upgradebable to 2.2 for a 300$ fee....and it sounds outstanding BUT it will never be able to do atmos/dts-x (which is now becoming the standard)
why cant emotiva processors just include EVERYTHING at the time of release...and in the right time as the codecs come out...
why cant EMOTIVA processors BE the on the cutting edge....
this would dispels lots of criticism on the brand...
now I know almost all of this is because of the size of Emo compared to the conglomerates (who can throw money at the newest codecs...and if they fail it wont make a dent in their bottom line...ala the yankees and the large money risks they take on free agents)....these are just observations....and I know money talks...but I DO love emotiva products...and their style of products alone makes me drool...
just wish they weren't always "behind"
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Post by millst on Jan 21, 2016 10:35:22 GMT -5
I'm tired of these arguments about the worth of immersive sound. If you don't have an immersive installation at home, or you have only heard it once or twice at a friends home, or if you have only heard it at a theater of questionable setup, then don't comment, you don't know. What do you expect people to do? Fly somewhere to check out Atmos at the best theater in the country? Regardless, they're just opinions. Most people are fine with TV speakers and soundbars. Even for the dedicated audio people, most haven't even moved past 5.1. The vitriol on both sides is pointless. Emotiva will eventually have an immersive sound processor. If you can't wait for some new feature Emotiva isn't offering, go buy from one of the many other manufactures. Complaining here isn't going to do much. Emotiva is a small company and, with the pace of technology, it's hard to compete against bigger companies. That's why things have consolidated over the years. -tm |
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. I enjoyed the visual spectacle of Star Wars in the theater but I'll have to wait for it on Blu-Ray to enjoy the audio on my own system.
