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Post by The History Kid on Jan 29, 2016 12:15:55 GMT -5
The person that originally came to my house, to help with the setup, was a retired installer. He told me that if I start messing with the db adjustments and pushing the system too hard by overriding EQ, then I run the risk of over working and abusing the gear. On that, I've been extremely apprehensive to push too far. Is this true? Your speakers are not conducive for "pushing the system too hard." That's bollocks. You have some of the most efficient speakers on the market, with an amp and pre-amp that are solid. You're not going to be pushing anything hard. |
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Post by garbulky on Jan 29, 2016 13:06:46 GMT -5
Yeah you wont push it too hard. Did he see your monster of an amp?!?  Does that look like it messes around?  |
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Post by The History Kid on Jan 29, 2016 13:08:13 GMT -5
I was referring to the gain adjustment on the back of the UPA 2. I was unaware of that info regarding the XPA. Good to know in the future! |
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Post by The History Kid on Jan 29, 2016 13:23:45 GMT -5
I agree with Chuck on the sub ^
Most people I know running KLF-30's are either pairing them with SVS SB13-Ultra's or better, or RSW-12's and 15's. You want to be sure that you have something that gives you high output - most of the early Klipsch subs should do this - although some have an attraction away from them. (Perfectly understandable, in some setups and environments I could understand they may sound wild or muddy.)
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Post by thrasher on Jan 29, 2016 15:12:51 GMT -5
I agree with Chuck on the sub ^ Most people I know running KLF-30's are either pairing them with SVS SB13-Ultra's or better, or RSW-12's and 15's. You want to be sure that you have something that gives you high output - most of the early Klipsch subs should do this - although some have an attraction away from them. (Perfectly understandable, in some setups and environments I could understand they may sound wild or muddy.) I wasn't sold on this sub from the beginning, but the gentleman doing my install swore by it... in my ignorance, I bought it from him. That being said, how does the sub have any relevance to how the KLF are operating, or not? (sidenote... I am not discrediting any of the advice being given. Been working and involved in another project that has my time limited to testing out the things you guys have recommended) |
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Post by thrasher on Jan 29, 2016 19:24:55 GMT -5
And,just another question to sound like a newb... Do I need to do anything with the LFE setting? Not sure what that is actually. Also, some had mentioned running this direct? I am not certain what you mean, "direct". As in, "direct" mode on the remote? Again, I am uncertain what all those modes are. Direct, NEO C6, M6, etc...
Sorry for all of the questions...
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Post by Chuck Elliot on Jan 29, 2016 19:42:55 GMT -5
To elaborate to what ChuckieNut said:
Instead of direct-mode, take the sub out of your speaker configuration and try running it with the KLFs handling all the bass including the LFE channel.
Report back on how that sounds!
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Post by thrasher on Jan 29, 2016 20:18:05 GMT -5
Time to sell the Dynaudio Sub and find something more compatible. I'll try the changes this wknd, even though doing all of the db and hz adjustments are more than confusing for this brain. Thank you everyone!!
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Post by sonicseeker on Jan 29, 2016 20:31:00 GMT -5
Time to sell the Dynaudio Sub and find something more compatible. I'll try the changes this wknd, even though doing all of the db and hz adjustments are more than confusing for this brain. Thank you everyone!! Lots of good subs out there. I had klipsch Chorus II's, Cornwalls, Belle's, Klipschorns, RF-7II's etc. and ran an SVS pb-13 Ultra and it was a great match. I have a PC-13 Ultra now and like it very much. As for the speakers what we are recommending is take the sub out of the equation by playing in direct mode (which bypasses the sub and puts all the full frequencies to the speakers) and yes it would be one of the choices neo etc. |
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Post by The History Kid on Jan 29, 2016 23:37:38 GMT -5
I know it can be frustrating but hang in there. The results will be worth it and more.
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Post by thrasher on Jan 31, 2016 15:13:39 GMT -5
So many settings within the UMC200 I am uncertain about setting this up with only the klf30. Sorry if this seems extremely basic but within the settings there are so many adjustments to be made I am uncertain which to change. I can't seem to figure out how to get it to 2 channel only. It's still showing my other speakers. Confusing!
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Post by thrasher on Jan 31, 2016 15:25:03 GMT -5
All the different input modes, slope, trims, zones, manual eq adjustments, etc... I am completely confused. I can't believe there isn't an easy way to set this stuff up. Completely defeats even wanting to listen to music or watch a movie with this thing.
As a side note, when I turn the sub off, there is literally no bass but then again I do not know how to get the bass into the mains. They were set on large and small and it doesn't change anything. Clearly I am frustrated and most certainly these all have to do with setup. Which, I have no idea what I'm doing.
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Post by Chuck Elliot on Jan 31, 2016 16:40:47 GMT -5
All the different input modes, slope, trims, zones, manual eq adjustments, etc... I am completely confused. I can't believe there isn't an easy way to set this stuff up. Completely defeats even wanting to listen to music or watch a movie with this thing. As a side note, when I turn the sub off, there is literally no bass but then again I do not know how to get the bass into the mains. They were set on large and small and it doesn't change anything. Clearly I am frustrated and most certainly these all have to do with setup. Which, I have no idea what I'm doing. I don't have the menu selections of the UMC-200 so it's hard to tell you exactly where to go. But, why not just disconnect the sub and re-run Emo-Q as a start. It will detect that the sub isn't present and make the correct adjustments??? |
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Post by The History Kid on Feb 1, 2016 0:09:03 GMT -5
This actually just crossed my mind and it has nothing to do with the amps...
Have you replaced the bridges or the wiring between the top and bottom binding posts on the KLF's recently? If you have not, I'd advise doing so. I'd suggest 12 AWG copper. You can get it in bulk at a hardware store for about $0.50 a foot. If there is any corrosion, loose connection, or bad connection between the bridge - that could also cause bass response issues.
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Post by The History Kid on Feb 1, 2016 1:10:38 GMT -5
It's also worth noting in addition to what Chuck said - Stereo and Direct are always able to be selected - and they're the only two that are always able to be selected. Direct will use the codec and format that is being sent exclusively by the source - whereas stereo will force a 2(.2).x signal. Either will be useful in diagnosing this issue.
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Post by thrasher on Feb 13, 2016 21:06:28 GMT -5
I am thoroughly confused. Even more so, if that's even possible. I am told to go into thw test tones. Since I've already previously ran EMOQ, my speakers have already been adjusted to +2.5db or some random #. How do you know where these are supposed to be? Should they be maxed out? Mine seem to all be on some different #. Does it seriously need to be this difficult?
Then, what about the TRIM section? All of mine are in the middle, untouched.
Should I just run EMO-Q with my mains and center channel and start at that point? I recall at one point, calling Emotiva and a tech support person had me changing the slope of the sound curve, by adjusting bass frequencies, or so I thought. When I go into the EMO-Q it shows that my levels are maxed at 5,25 (or 5.5db on a couple) Confused!!!!!!!!!!
I am wondering if I need to simply run EMOQ and start from scratch? Also, what about the slope? Do I need to adjust that maybe? I need a starting point or an easy button.
Right now, the only bass I can barely get is if I have the volume up to around 40 or so. And even at level 40, it has very minimal bass.
Sorry for being all over the place. Frustration keeps breeding more frustration and confusion. Too many unknowns. Anyone want to fly to WA?
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Post by thrasher on Feb 13, 2016 22:14:14 GMT -5
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Post by thrasher on Feb 14, 2016 11:02:47 GMT -5
I have the manuals for everything. I bought all of the Emotiva straight from Emotiva.
I double checked the connections and unhooked the sub. However, over the course of trying to get it working, many different settings have been changed. Different dB levels, trims, slopes, etc...
Starting over... How do I get the UMC200 to reset itself and reset all of the other settings that have been messed with? Currently, it's set to large, 2ch, flat, but I bumped up dB levels in an attempt to get the Klipsch to respond. Completely starting over fresh is what I need. But simply having the 2 mains hooked up isn't telling the UMC200 that I'm starting over.
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Post by thrasher on Feb 14, 2016 11:07:12 GMT -5
Axis, my gear is
2 KLF30
1 KLFC7
DYNAUDIO SUB300
2 Klipsch satellite speakers
UMC200
XPA5
BLURAY
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Post by thrasher on Feb 14, 2016 11:18:36 GMT -5
Chuckienut, I greatly appreciate all the time you've taken to help me. I have read them, I have double checked everything, I have the two mains hooked up, everything else is set to none. However, the UMC200 has been messed with so many times, I cannot figure out how to get back to square one so it thinks I just pulled it out of the box.
Found... "load default", I'm assuming I need to select that to return to ground zero?
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