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Post by thrasher on Feb 14, 2016 20:06:48 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I do not have any other BLURAY or DVD player to audition. Nor do I have another UMC200 or XPA5. I'm sorry if I've overlooked something. I'm trying the best I can to follow along with all of the suggestions and learn as well. I appreciate all of the input. Sorry if I'm not understanding, or "getting it". Trust me, it's not from a lack of trying.
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Post by thrasher on Feb 14, 2016 20:09:43 GMT -5
Whatever was changed today made it where I needed the levels much higher than previously, to achieve the same result I had previously, minus the other speakers.
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Post by thrasher on Feb 14, 2016 20:10:54 GMT -5
If the bluray player has RCA stereo outputs, try that instead of HDMI to the UMC-200. Try it all. No need to ask for permission. Non RCA |
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Post by thrasher on Feb 14, 2016 20:15:07 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I do not have any other BLURAY or DVD player to audition. Nor do I have another UMC200 or XPA5. I'm sorry if I've overlooked something. I'm trying the best I can to follow along with all of the suggestions and learn as well. I appreciate all of the input. Sorry if I'm not understanding, or "getting it". Trust me, it's not from a lack of trying. Are you sure there is nothing wrong with your speakers ? You may have to get other gear. You need to check the settings on your player and try different inputs and cables. That is were I would start. I heard them bi wired on a Rotel 4x100w. They were amazing. I loaded them up, came home and hooked them up and have been scratching my head since. |
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Post by thrasher on Feb 14, 2016 20:28:29 GMT -5
Whatever was changed today made it where I needed the levels much higher than previously, to achieve the same result I had previously, minus the other speakers. Thrasher your Bass should be there at very low volumes. When you know that the Bass output is correct then you can adjust the levels. The levels are a feature to allow you to make each channel equal in level when one speaker is more efficient than the other and plays louder with the Volume control for the Preamp (UMC-200). Turning the Volume control up on the Preamp (UMC-200) should bring the speaker volume up without any Trim Level adjustment and with them set at 0 dB. If the volume is not going up as it should then you need to try another source input and player. If you do not have one you will need to get one. Actually, I had previously ran a Denon that I bought from an Ebay seller. The output on that was extremely poor so I contacted Emotiva, ran some tests and they said that the Denon was faulty so I sent it back. The seller was extremely upset, citing that the unit was brand new. I admit, I was curious how it could have been bad, but Emotiva determined it was not functioning properly as it too should have been pounding the walls with the speakers, but it wasn't good at all. www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-4311CI-Multi-Room-Discontinued-Manufacturer/dp/B0042KVX2S |
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Post by thrasher on Feb 14, 2016 20:33:51 GMT -5
I heard them bi wired on a Rotel 4x100w. They were amazing. I loaded them up, came home and hooked them up and have been scratching my head since. This still does not answer the question. Do you think your speakers are working properly now ? Not then. If you can not tell then you need to get different gear to try them with. You said there was no Bass. What Bass they had where you heard them before and with different gear is not important now. I get from you that there is not Bass coming from your speakers that you know should be coming from them even if you never heard them before and only because of there size and other speakers you have heard. Is the Bass coming from your speakers normal ? If not something is wrong and you will need to find out what it is. Understand. No, they are not putting out as they should be. As far as an extra source, what about TV? Even with TV, it's still wimpy. I like a challenge, I really do. That being said, I failed to mention that I am wired to like results with things eight away. Anything else seems like frustration and failed attempts on the horizon. That's another topic tho lol. I'll keep at it if you guys are willing to help. I'll work on being more patient. I'd be frustrated with me if I was y'all. Sorry gang.  |
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Post by thrasher on Feb 14, 2016 20:37:14 GMT -5
Also, the room they were auditioned in was a living room inside of a single width modular home. Should this have any bearing on whether or not a ton of air is moving or not? Either way, it still seems like they'd be pounding in this room.
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Post by teaman on Feb 14, 2016 20:38:19 GMT -5
Not to sound like a dick but are you sure your speaker connections have not come off internally? After a move my KLF-C7 had the internal connections shake loose resulting in no bass. Even if one of your internal connections have come off, this could explain the lack of bass. I would take out the screws on one woofer per speaker and check to make sure they are hooked up properly. All the UMC-200 changes in the world are not going to correct the lack of bass if this is what is going on.
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Post by teaman on Feb 14, 2016 20:45:37 GMT -5
Valid points Axis, this is why I think the internal speaker connections from the crossover to the speaker terminals have come off. In the KG and KLF series, this was very common. Especially after a move!
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Post by The History Kid on Feb 14, 2016 21:06:58 GMT -5
If the drivers aren't performing, wouldn't a touch test work as well?
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Post by thrasher on Feb 14, 2016 22:29:23 GMT -5
I've touched them, they are responding, but not with much authority. They respond to a 9v battery. They move appx 3/4" or so.
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Post by The History Kid on Feb 14, 2016 22:32:22 GMT -5
...wait, you put a 9 volt battery on them?
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Post by thrasher on Feb 14, 2016 22:41:23 GMT -5
Understand. No, they are not putting out as they should be. As far as an extra source, what about TV? Even with TV, it's still wimpy. I like a challenge, I really do. That being said, I failed to mention that I am wired to like results with things eight away. Anything else seems like frustration and failed attempts on the horizon. That's another topic tho lol. I'll keep at it if you guys are willing to help. I'll work on being more patient. I'd be frustrated with me if I was y'all. Sorry gang. Understand that no amount of amplification from the XPA-5 or setting on the UMC-200 will correct this. All sources are wimpy so that rules that out. Your Klipsch KLF30 are not wimpy. What could it be Thrasher ? Are you sure that your description of poor Bass means that something is really wrong ? Have you touched the woofers on your speakers to see if they are working ? Reason why I think they have inferior bass response right now....having heard these running with other equipment that created a sound and feel that had been everything I had heard about. I've heard these and seen them pushing a ton of air and the woofers flexing their full range, it tells me that something is funky. While watching a movie tonight, there are the subtle bass moments that sound great. But, it's not heavy deep, thick bass. It's faint, like it's trying but not room shaking as I've heard from others. I'm rambling. My brain hurts from this. I appreciate everyones help today. I'll revisit this soon. |
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Post by thrasher on Feb 14, 2016 22:42:51 GMT -5
...wait, you put a 9 volt battery on them? When I was originally testing out the Denon, the Installer advised to touch a battery to them to get them to flex. Actually now that I think about it, it may have been an AA. |
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Post by teaman on Feb 14, 2016 23:26:56 GMT -5
I think you can use either a nine volt or an AA battery for the test. The only problem is that the battery test tells you absolutely nothing about the crossover. I would battery test all four woofer terminals to make sure they are operable, then I would test the crossovers with an ohm tester to see if they are passing the signal.
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Post by thrasher on Feb 15, 2016 13:52:27 GMT -5
While sitting here at work, I ask myself, "what do the guys on the forum think of when they say 'they should have plenty of bass' or 'the klf30 have some of the heaviest bass I've heard'".
Does this mean that for your listening ear, you hear the deepness AND feel it? Or, are you simply hearing the bass tones accurately without the feel of the punch? Maybe so I can understand what you mean vs what I mean.
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Post by The History Kid on Feb 15, 2016 18:05:35 GMT -5
To give Axis and the others some extra boost as to why they're telling you to turn EmoQ off:
I have never ever used the mic, auto-setup or EmoQ on my Fusion. I set my system up to work with what my ears heard. No mic can do that. While I'm sure it is appealing, as you have said many times you want an "easy button" - that doesn't exist when you're talking about good quality sound that sounds good to you. So resetting to zero, and then inching your way along is the best practice you can possibly use - and it will sound hundreds of times better than any auto-configuration ever will.
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Post by The History Kid on Feb 15, 2016 18:45:38 GMT -5
The only thing I've run before was Audessy on an SR5003 when I had one in my hands for a little while. It actually made all of the settings worse off - that being said - I don't think I have any room in any part of the house that is designed the way any audio engineer would associate with an audio system. We're talking bedrooms with home theaters in them, office spaces, living rooms with hard walls that have no insolation and no sound treatment.
Truth be told, most would see the layouts as a disaster, and the way the walls are they not only reflect a lot of sound, but they also don't release much either. According to my "Auto Room/EQ" window on the Fusion, I'm using the "Flat" setting. Haven't bothered to figure out if it would save Flat as-is if I ran auto-config.
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Post by The History Kid on Feb 15, 2016 19:08:42 GMT -5
Just because this thread piqued my curiosity - I went ahead and did run EmoQ on the Fusion to see what the results would be. Save for having to duck out of the room from the SPL it was pushing my speakers on, it went on without a hitch........and sounded absolutely TERRIBLE after the EQ ran.
Flat actually works better on this setup than anything the EQ spit out.
Here's a comparison:
Front L/R: Large (was Small at 60 Hz)
Center: Small @ 80 Hz (same)
Surround L/R: Small @ 85 Hz (was Small at 80 Hz)
Rear L/R: Small @ 65 Hz (was Small at 80 Hz)
Sub: Crossed at 225 Hz [LOL!] (was at 80 Hz)
It had adjusted almost all the front channels down 2.5 dB and all of the rears up 0.5-1.5 dB. And in favor of our friend here, it was brutal on the low-end that the system put out. It at least thirded if not halved the bass output on tracks that were bass heavy.
Yikes.
P.S. - no worries about that though guys...a click of a button reset the settings to how I had them. lol
Goes further to prove...no lines of coding can possibly understand what my ears hear.
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Post by teaman on Feb 15, 2016 19:16:48 GMT -5
I second Ibiza's take. I have never used the room EQ on my pre/pros and receivers. After my journey into horrible sound years ago with a Yamaha RX-V2700 and mic that room EQ'd into a horrible mess of sound I will never do it again. I simple tweak things in manually to where I feel is a sweet spot without compromise.
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