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Post by audiobill on Jan 31, 2016 14:09:28 GMT -5
Basket cases......
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Post by routlaw on Jan 31, 2016 17:08:09 GMT -5
tubes and electrostatics excel at natural instruments (strings, voice, cymbals) Their resolution cannot be compared. Solid state brings benefits to amplified instruments. My uncle has both for this reason. Krell FPB-350mcx monoblocks for solid state and Audio Research Ref-600s for tube all though tube preamps. Just for the record I don't believe those speakers are electrostatics, rather they look like Apogee, perhaps the Scintilla's or another model larger like the Duetta's. The studio grands had dual 10" woofers in the cabinets below the panels. The technology rather than electrostatics are ribbons a completely different critter by any measure. To this very day a, friend and client, who owns the Studio Grands are the best sounding speaker I've ever heard though some of the Genesis get very close. We modified his changing the off the shelf Vifa 10" woofers with some very high quality Seas that were much faster and more articulate. This provided bass that was then able to keep up with the panels before they were quiet muddy bland sounding. Extremely difficult load to drive however. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jan 31, 2016 17:16:15 GMT -5
tubes and electrostatics excel at natural instruments (strings, voice, cymbals) Their resolution cannot be compared. Solid state brings benefits to amplified instruments. The recoding process involves amplification (eg; the microphone output has to be amplified to facilitate it's recording), so strictly speaking everything recorded has been "amplified". Cheers Gary |
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Post by Talley on Jan 31, 2016 19:39:14 GMT -5
tubes and electrostatics excel at natural instruments (strings, voice, cymbals) Their resolution cannot be compared. Solid state brings benefits to amplified instruments. My uncle has both for this reason. Krell FPB-350mcx monoblocks for solid state and Audio Research Ref-600s for tube all though tube preamps. Are those baskets room treatments of some sort?! Just helps break up the sound waves is all. Kinda rude but it actually does work. cheap treatment at around 8-14/ea |
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Post by Talley on Jan 31, 2016 19:41:34 GMT -5
tubes and electrostatics excel at natural instruments (strings, voice, cymbals) Their resolution cannot be compared. Solid state brings benefits to amplified instruments. My uncle has both for this reason. Krell FPB-350mcx monoblocks for solid state and Audio Research Ref-600s for tube all though tube preamps. Just for the record I don't believe those speakers are electrostatics, rather they look like Apogee, perhaps the Scintilla's or another model larger like the Duetta's. The studio grands had dual 10" woofers in the cabinets below the panels. The technology rather than electrostatics are ribbons a completely different critter by any measure. To this very day a, friend and client, who owns the Studio Grands are the best sounding speaker I've ever heard though some of the Genesis get very close. We modified his changing the off the shelf Vifa 10" woofers with some very high quality Seas that were much faster and more articulate. This provided bass that was then able to keep up with the panels before they were quiet muddy bland sounding. Extremely difficult load to drive however. yes ribbon. They are Apogee Duetta II signatures complete revamped from the ground up. |
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Post by routlaw on Feb 2, 2016 14:52:37 GMT -5
I need to write a followup to my recent complaint on this thread regarding Tubes4Hifi and my subsequent build of my PH 16 phono stage. The problem is now solved and the phono stage sounds considerably better.
Not to hijack this thread which was initially about tube amps which I don't have much direct experience with other than hearing them at CES shows back in the days when I briefly worked in the industry but thought I should at least clarify and perhaps rectify some things stated before. But before starting I should include one of the most memorable systems I have ever heard was at CES where I walked into a rather large conference room that had some very large tower line array speakers being driven by some huge mono bloc tubes amps by VAC (company from FL) if memory serves me correct playing some Linda Ronstandt on vinyl. Could have been the largest Genesis just don't recall but the sound was nothing short of a live event, just fabulous. It was a revelation to say the least, and I had hear a lot of very expensive big hifi systems before this all SS though.
Back to the PH 16. Had some time yesterday and decided to completely disassemble the kit or at least to the point where I could gain access to the underside of the power supply board in order to "re-wet" all solder joints. While they all looked good with no apparent cold solder joints at this point there was nothing to loose and while having it torn apart decided to finally install the RCA's sent with the kit that arrived much later than the other items. Initially I purchased a set of cheap RCA's form Radio Shack to use in lieu of the better ones from Tubes4Hifi. Aside from the difference in quality construction the kit RCA's had one major design difference that being an isolating plastic washer either side of the mounting panel meaning the return leg or ground (i.e. outer shell) is isolated from the chassis unlike with the Radio Shack versions. It never occurred to me at the time this might be the humming culprit but once installed and all joints hit again with the iron the phono stage is now quiet! And more importantly sounds better than ever.
I will do a followup thread later for a full review if there are interested enough parties but for now my apologies for creating a negative comment and temporarily hijacking the thread about tube amps. It was a bad couple of weeks of audiophilia nervosa, all 1st World problems, that in the big scheme of things matter not.
For those who would ask, would you do this again. The answer is an absolute yes. It can be a fun and rewarding thing to do, but you might hit a bump or two in the road and have a few disappointing and frustrating moments as I did.
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Post by audiobill on Feb 2, 2016 16:29:46 GMT -5
That's good news, routlaw.
In my experience, tubes4hifi components are quiet, dynamic and great value.
I'm glad you could sort this out!!
Bill
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Post by routlaw on Feb 2, 2016 18:38:30 GMT -5
That's good news, routlaw. In my experience, tubes4hifi components are quiet, dynamic and great value. I'm glad you could sort this out!! Bill Thanks. And it was definitely sounding quite good last night. Will report more later. |
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Post by audiobill on Feb 2, 2016 18:53:03 GMT -5
Looking forward to your review!
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Post by garbulky on Feb 2, 2016 19:55:00 GMT -5
That's good news, routlaw. In my experience, tubes4hifi components are quiet, dynamic and great value. I'm glad you could sort this out!! Bill Thanks. And it was definitely sounding quite good last night. Will report more later. please. thanks |
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Post by jedinite24 on Feb 3, 2016 14:21:33 GMT -5
Hi Loop 7
Great to hear you had good results using a tube amp with your ELAC Debut B6 speakers. I had so so results. I have a Jolida 502P amp with Tung Sol KT150 tubes and the sound was ok with the ELAC B6 speakers. I then got a Class D - Hifimediy T3 amp and the sound is more crisp and bass is good to me. I do have a tube heavy front end though.
I would say look at Jolida amps with your ELACs. Just because it wasn't optimal for me IMO Jolida makes good products. With the 502P amp you can use 6550, KT88, KT120 and even KT150 tubes. You can then also change the gain by putting 5751 tubes in place of the 12AX7s. Also there are so many different 12AX7 tubes out there that you can roll tubes to your hearts content.
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Post by bluemeanies on Feb 4, 2016 0:14:27 GMT -5
tubes4hifi
DONE!
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