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Post by brubacca on Feb 9, 2016 16:37:13 GMT -5
I am not saying that I would pay for better outlets,but....
I guess that it is possible to make a better than average outlet. If I were so inclined to buy a better outlet it would probably be a hospital grade outlet, which probably has better shielding than your everyday outlet.
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Post by klinemj on Feb 9, 2016 17:28:16 GMT -5
Why stop at outlets!?!?!? Go back through all the wire back to the circuit box, to the circuit breakers, the box itself, all the way to the road, and so on all the way to the powerplant. And, make sure clean coal is used, otherwise the power can get dirty.
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Post by LCSeminole on Feb 9, 2016 18:48:48 GMT -5
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Post by bootman on Feb 9, 2016 18:50:40 GMT -5
You want an upgraded outlet, get a green dot one like the kind used in hospitals.
That is all you need if you are worried about grip.
The rest is just fool's gold.
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Post by jlafrenz on Feb 9, 2016 19:38:26 GMT -5
Why stop at outlets!?!?!? Go back through all the wire back to the circuit box, to the circuit breakers, the box itself, all the way to the road, and so on all the way to the powerplant. And, make sure clean coal is used, otherwise the power can get dirty. SMH... Mark Mark, the way I interpret you post is that there are several items involved, many of which can not be controlled. Also at what extend does someone stop. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong in this. I think you are correct, but on the opposite side this is like saying that if there is one weak link in the chain that it is acceptable to have multiple weak links. Why not control on minimize the amount of weak links? Perhaps a poor car analogy would be discussing the break system in a car and stating that the break pads are poor so the quality of the rotors doesn't matter. When it comes to stopping the car, you want to minimize the amount of weak links in the chain to improve the stopping performance of the car. I get that stopping a car and audio are irrelevant of each other and one includes the potential of serious injury/death, but it should illustrate my point. I'm not saying that outlets are the place to improve the performance of a stereo, but it is logical to try and minimize the amount of weak links in a system. This includes all aspects and components of a system. It is also the reason so many of us get the upgrade bug. We are trying to improve upon the weakest link. |
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Post by mshump on Feb 9, 2016 19:52:08 GMT -5
The hospital grade type outlets ensure a better connection(a little tighter) between the plug and the outlet. No electrical benefits.
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Post by millst on Feb 9, 2016 19:59:29 GMT -5
You guys are lame. I have my own power plant in my back yard.
-tm
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Post by Chuck Elliot on Feb 9, 2016 20:45:06 GMT -5
You guys are lame. I have my own power plant in my back yard. -tm Is it a Mr. Fusion?  |
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Post by monkumonku on Feb 9, 2016 20:54:44 GMT -5
The hospital grade type outlets ensure a better connection(a little tighter) between the plug and the outlet. No electrical benefits. Well then that means the electrons don't need to jump as far if the connection is better/tighter and thus you won't lose as many going from the outlet to the cord. That should result in better current flow and more power when needed for dynamic passages. I'd say that could be seen as an electrical benefit. |
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Post by Axis on Feb 9, 2016 20:55:48 GMT -5
The one that your cord can reach too. I can't remember the last time an AC outlet did not work or provide enough electricity.
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Post by thompson12 on Feb 9, 2016 21:00:47 GMT -5
That's what I use orange  Mitch |
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Post by lionear on Feb 9, 2016 21:33:25 GMT -5
Seriously, though, has anyone experimented with them? Did you hear any difference? Please PM me if you don't want to post on this thread. You might also want to send the PM to thatcher and jlafrenz . Anyone else? :-) |
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Post by klinemj on Feb 9, 2016 21:34:34 GMT -5
Why stop at outlets!?!?!? Go back through all the wire back to the circuit box, to the circuit breakers, the box itself, all the way to the road, and so on all the way to the powerplant. And, make sure clean coal is used, otherwise the power can get dirty. SMH... Mark Mark, the way I interpret you post is that there are several items involved, many of which can not be controlled. Also at what extend does someone stop. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong in this. I think you are correct, but on the opposite side this is like saying that if there is one weak link in the chain that it is acceptable to have multiple weak links. Why not control on minimize the amount of weak links? Perhaps a poor car analogy would be discussing the break system in a car and stating that the break pads are poor so the quality of the rotors doesn't matter. When it comes to stopping the car, you want to minimize the amount of weak links in the chain to improve the stopping performance of the car. I get that stopping a car and audio are irrelevant of each other and one includes the potential of serious injury/death, but it should illustrate my point. I'm not saying that outlets are the place to improve the performance of a stereo, but it is logical to try and minimize the amount of weak links in a system. This includes all aspects and components of a system. It is also the reason so many of us get the upgrade bug. We are trying to improve upon the weakest link. You got my point spot on. And I agree with weak links...we have to minimize them. I draw the line where the power cord leaves the gear...providing of course there is no obvious defect in my power cords (cat teeth marks or a frayed cord, for example...) or defects in the wiring to the circuit box. I know some like the very sturdy hospital grade outlets, and those can make sense as they tend to be physically sturdy so they can handle big, heavy cords plugged in and are potentially subject to abuse. That makes sense. But, the articles cited talk about big sound impacts. I am not buying the physics on that...I call "snake oil"!!! Mark |
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Post by trevordj on Feb 9, 2016 22:30:00 GMT -5
What problem are these outlets supposed to solve? I use very sensitive electrical equipment at work doing diagnostic studies called electromyography and nerve conduction studies. These studies are very sensitive to any electrical interference (usually in the form of things like 60hz electrical hum from fluorescent lights). The outlets are never the problem. We use standard hospital grade outlets but have to pay for a dedicated, isolated ground (a 15' 5/8" piece of copper buried in the earth).
I have no idea why anything other than standard outlets would be required for powering a sound system.
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Post by annjones13 on Feb 9, 2016 22:56:02 GMT -5
What problem are these outlets supposed to solve? I use very sensitive electrical equipment at work doing diagnostic studies called electromyography and nerve conduction studies. These studies are very sensitive to any electrical interference (usually in the form of things like 60hz electrical hum from fluorescent lights). The outlets are never the problem. We use standard hospital grade outlets but have to pay for a dedicated, isolated ground (a 15' 5/8" piece of copper buried in the earth). I have no idea why anything other than standard outlets would be required for powering a sound system. I am no longer building homes, but I have to say there is a difference in receptacles. The quality of hospital grade is not what you find in most homes. Older homes can have outlets so worn that the plug does not make good contact, you could find 14 ga wire inserted into the push in terminals instead of secured under the screws. I Once counseled an owner of a late 60's mobile home that all of his switches and outlets needed to be replaced and all of the aluminum wiring needed copper pig tails installed by a professional. The wires were arcing when a plug was pulled. He declined.... It burned about a year later. All it takes is quality materials , properly installed and maintained. Every home tool kit should have a simple plug in circuit tester. Don't buy the 99 cent outlets. Be careful everybody Ann |
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Post by Chuck Elliot on Feb 9, 2016 23:30:25 GMT -5
I'm all for a good quality outlet and checking your wiring, but the insanity (read snakeoil) of this article comes from the fact that a good hospital grade outlet can be had for about $50 while one of these "high grade" outlets(OYAIDE SWO-XXX ULTIMO) is almost $100 more. Taking a clean approach to AC distribution with short cords will do far more to improve sound:  |
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Post by frenchyfranky on Feb 10, 2016 1:21:15 GMT -5
How about this one for smelling any things wrong in current :  Or this one for the sexiest and tightly as possible sounding :  |
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Post by mshump on Feb 10, 2016 8:40:06 GMT -5
The hospital grade type outlets ensure a better connection(a little tighter) between the plug and the outlet. No electrical benefits. Well then that means the electrons don't need to jump as far if the connection is better/tighter and thus you won't lose as many going from the outlet to the cord. That should result in better current flow and more power when needed for dynamic passages. I'd say that could be seen as an electrical benefit. monkumonku, Yes and no (nothing like a decisive reply !!!) Maybe I should have worded my response better. Hospital grade receptacles are to ensure the reliability of equipment plugged in to it. Equipment is constantly moved and changed, the receptacle needs to be strong enough to withstand this. Continuously plugging and unplugging hospital equipment into a receptacle does wear it down, so the standards are a little more stringent. A decent receptacle should be just as good for home use. If your plugs are loose at home or the plug loosens out overtime then yes you will possibly hear a difference upgrading to hospital grade. Unfortunately people don't replace receptacles when the are loose or give that spark when plugging or unplugging into it, which is a good sign that the receptacle is worn out and dangerous. So yes to your point if you upgrade an older loose receptacle with a new hospital grade one you possible could hear a difference. Upgrading to hospital grade should help with reliability over time. Below, is an excerpt from UL concerning hospital grade receptacles: In addition to complying with the general use receptacle Listing requirements, hospital grade receptacles incorporate additional construction features and are subjected to additional performance requirements. These include grounding reliability, assembly integrity, strength and durability tests. |
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Post by monkumonku on Feb 10, 2016 9:54:45 GMT -5
Well then that means the electrons don't need to jump as far if the connection is better/tighter and thus you won't lose as many going from the outlet to the cord. That should result in better current flow and more power when needed for dynamic passages. I'd say that could be seen as an electrical benefit. monkumonku, Yes and no (nothing like a decisive reply !!!) Maybe I should have worded my response better. Hospital grade receptacles are to ensure the reliability of equipment plugged in to it. Equipment is constantly moved and changed, the receptacle needs to be strong enough to withstand this. Continuously plugging and unplugging hospital equipment into a receptacle does wear it down, so the standards are a little more stringent. A decent receptacle should be just as good for home use. If your plugs are loose at home or the plug loosens out overtime then yes you will possibly hear a difference upgrading to hospital grade. Unfortunately people don't replace receptacles when the are loose or give that spark when plugging or unplugging into it, which is a good sign that the receptacle is worn out and dangerous. So yes to your point if you upgrade an older loose receptacle with a new hospital grade one you possible could hear a difference. Upgrading to hospital grade should help with reliability over time. Below, is an excerpt from UL concerning hospital grade receptacles: In addition to complying with the general use receptacle Listing requirements, hospital grade receptacles incorporate additional construction features and are subjected to additional performance requirements. These include grounding reliability, assembly integrity, strength and durability tests. Well actually, I was just joking because the topic itself is so ridiculous. I agree that outlets have to be safe and properly made but do they make any audible difference in an audio system? Give me a break...  As long as an outlet complies with UL standards then that's all that matters. |
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Post by millst on Feb 10, 2016 10:26:09 GMT -5
But hospital grade outlets have a much higher plug tension, which keeps your sister from pulling the plug on your dear old amplifier (to get the inheritance sooner)!
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As long as an outlet complies with UL standards then that's all that matters. 