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Post by tchaik on Apr 23, 2016 9:11:00 GMT -5
Zone 2 will still function as is. I'm heading to Munich to meet with a potential UK distribution partner in two weeks. Fingers crossed! We'll have lots more to talk about on the XMC-1 upgrade as we firm up all of the technical stuff. This is definitely happening. i am glad you are working on this for those customers who want it. for those of us who are content with 7.2 …….this won't change anything for us with the current iteration of the XMC-1, will it? my only desire is to upgrade for 4k tv and 4k bluray. those upgrades are still in the works…… right? or am i confused about anything? tchaik………… |
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Post by eclypse on Apr 23, 2016 9:50:32 GMT -5
Here's a question.. whst if I ha e not bought a xmc-1 yet?? Can I buy I ne already upgraded?
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Post by mgbpuff on Apr 23, 2016 10:12:05 GMT -5
I think this is a good decision to keep the XMC-1 marketable. Unfortunately, those of us who have already bought 7.2.4 capable pre-pros are not going to go backwards. Onward with XMR development!
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Post by eclypse on Apr 23, 2016 10:26:29 GMT -5
I think this is a good decision to keep the XMC-1 marketable. Unfortunately, those of us who have already bought 7.2.4 capable pre-pros are not going to go backwards. Onward with XMR development! I bought a denon x4200w which will only do 5.2.4 or 7.2.2 in atmos. So I had to settle with 7.2.2. My first choice thst I wanted to do was the xmc-1 but after finding out about atmos it was a no go. :/ I guess I'll be lusting over the next one from emotiva! |
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Post by LCSeminole on Apr 23, 2016 10:37:10 GMT -5
I hope Europeans Emo owners could update. the unit without having to spend tons of €/$ in delivery to USA. Good news. Since Dan said "there will be no cost for this upgrade" I'm assuming that its all done in firmware; therefore no need to return the unit to Emotiva. Russ That's not what I read by Dan. He said, "There would be no additional cost change by adding these additional outputs. Also, all main outputs remained balanced as originally designed." The initial 5.2.2 upgrade was going to require newer chips(thus an unknown upgrade charge), so I believe he was saying with this latest statement that the 5.2.4/7.2.2 wouldn't be any more cost as opposed to the 5.2.2 upgrade. I could very well be wrong on my thoughts here so someone please correct me if you are remembering differently. I also remember Dan saying that the newer chips are needed to accommodate the power needed by immersive sound(Dolby Atmos/DTS:X), so I highly doubt that only a "Firmware" update is all that is needed. |
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Post by millst on Apr 23, 2016 11:16:45 GMT -5
For those that don't know what the down-mix feature is. The XMC-1 has an L/R analog out pair labeled "Record Out." They are a replica of what is playing in the main zone, but in stereo. If the main zone is not playing a stereo signal, then that signal is processed (down-mixed) to create the stereo version. There is also a toslink/coax output marked "Digital Out" with the same signal before the digital-to-analog conversion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 11:25:28 GMT -5
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Post by sandbagger on Apr 23, 2016 11:43:51 GMT -5
Dan I was not at all interested in any of the 5.X.X configs as I was not willing to give up my rear speakers, just would not work in my room. I am very interested in the 7.2.2 as I am already pre wired from almost 15yrs ago when I installed my Halo C2 as they had 2 channels that could be configured and mixed to create a height output. So I am already wired overhead speakers(2 of them) Being non balanced is not a big deal, all my other amps are balanced, but for these 2 channels it wont really matter. It was great talking with you at Axpona and hope we didnt shake your room too much  Kevin |
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Post by ÈlTwo on Apr 23, 2016 11:52:23 GMT -5
I think I've just died and gone to heaven. Now I'm sitting here looking up at where I'll be putting those ceiling speakers  |
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Post by ÈlTwo on Apr 23, 2016 13:00:02 GMT -5
So, let me hear from you, please.
I feel good for me, but I feel good for you, too. |
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Post by Jim on Apr 23, 2016 13:07:37 GMT -5
The red text makes it look like you're angry... |
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Post by cwt on Apr 23, 2016 13:08:40 GMT -5
That's not what I read by Dan. He said, "There would be no additional cost change by adding these additional outputs. Also, all main outputs remained balanced as originally designed." The initial 5.2.2 upgrade was going to require newer chips(thus an unknown upgrade charge), so I believe he was saying with this latest statement that the 5.2.4/7.2.2 wouldn't be any more cost as opposed to the 5.2.2 upgrade. I could very well be wrong on my thoughts here so someone please correct me if you are remembering differently. I also remember Dan saying that the newer chips are needed to accommodate the power needed by immersive sound(Dolby Atmos/DTS:X), so I highly doubt that only a "Firmware" update is all that is needed. I recall Lonnie saying before this isnt a simple undertaking as you say Lc ; it stands to reason diverting the signal path away from the soc that controls downmixing will be complicated as well as doubling the TI chips as you said . As good as this news is I am waiting for someone to bring up dirac unison again with all this new processing power . I would happily leave that for the RMC1 as the processing power would be better used to equalise the xmc1 ceiling speakers as with the bed speakers now ; if that would be doable with a firmware upgrade ? But Ive no clue how much it needs so maybe its back on the table and who wouldnt like that  You know thinking if Bonzo -kudos- hadnt posted his xmc2 poll we may not be at this happy juncture ; feedback is a good thing |
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Post by audiosyndrome on Apr 23, 2016 13:27:20 GMT -5
LC- now I'm thinking I read incorrectly and that you are correct. Hardware changes would definitely have a cost. Being able to use the record output via firmware "would not add any more cost".
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Post by rbk123 on Apr 23, 2016 14:31:45 GMT -5
The initial 5.2.2 upgrade was going to require newer chips(thus an unknown upgrade charge), so I believe he was saying with this latest statement that the 5.2.4/7.2.2 wouldn't be any more cost as opposed to the 5.2.2 upgrade. I could very well be wrong on my thoughts here so someone please correct me if you are remembering differently. I also remember Dan saying that the newer chips are needed to accommodate the power needed by immersive sound(Dolby Atmos/DTS:X), so I highly doubt that only a "Firmware" update is all that is needed. I read it that way as well - i.e. for the additional 2 channels no more cost. However for going Atmos originally, there would be not only hardware but licensing costs as well (that he already mentioned but didn't know what they'd be). |
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Post by ÈlTwo on Apr 23, 2016 16:32:44 GMT -5
The red text makes it look like you're angry... I'll fix that, how's this color? |
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Post by ÈlTwo on Apr 23, 2016 16:36:49 GMT -5
The initial 5.2.2 upgrade was going to require newer chips(thus an unknown upgrade charge), so I believe he was saying with this latest statement that the 5.2.4/7.2.2 wouldn't be any more cost as opposed to the 5.2.2 upgrade. I could very well be wrong on my thoughts here so someone please correct me if you are remembering differently. I also remember Dan saying that the newer chips are needed to accommodate the power needed by immersive sound(Dolby Atmos/DTS:X), so I highly doubt that only a "Firmware" update is all that is needed. I read it that way as well - i.e. for the additional 2 channels no more cost. However for going Atmos originally, there would be not only hardware but licensing costs as well (that he already mentioned but didn't know what they'd be). Dan is calling it an "add-on" so I still assume there will be a cost involved. 5.2.4/7.2.2 just makes it so worthwhile, though. |
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Post by Jim on Apr 23, 2016 16:59:19 GMT -5
The red text makes it look like you're angry... I'll fix that, how's this color?I was just being a jacka$$ but looks much nicer |
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Post by Gary Cook on Apr 23, 2016 17:37:24 GMT -5
Just another example of Emotiva going the extra mile  Great work guys, way to demonstrate the upgradability of the XMC-1. Cheers Gary |
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Post by socketman on Apr 23, 2016 17:57:27 GMT -5
This is good news. I don't know I will ever go with atmos but it keeps me from worrying about finding yet another pre/pro should I decide to go that route. Hopefully Emo will have a 2.0a hdmi upgrade that can be done at the same time. Hopefully Dirac will continue to work with all speakers.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Apr 23, 2016 23:06:56 GMT -5
For those that don't know what the down-mix feature is. The XMC-1 has an L/R analog out pair labeled "Record Out." They are a replica of what is playing in the main zone, but in stereo. If the main zone is not playing a stereo signal, then that signal is processed (down-mixed) to create the stereo version. There is also a toslink/coax output marked "Digital Out" with the same signal before the digital-to-analog conversion. -tm I could be wrong, but I still think he's referring to the outputs labeled Z1, which are as you describe a stereo 'mixdown' of the multi-channel signal. The difference between Z1 and Record Out (IIRC), is that the Z1 outputs track with the main volume control (which you'd want for this purpose), whereas the Record outs are fixed. This would leave the record outs available for recording, effects, or other fixed level use.  |
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