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Post by millst on Apr 23, 2016 23:11:57 GMT -5
Right, I forgot that there are two sets of analog mix downs.
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Post by djoel on Apr 24, 2016 0:14:33 GMT -5
Not sure this was answered or even discussed, but how will Dirac work with the new channel configuration, or will Dirac take a back seat when these immersive tracks are engaged?
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Dan
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Post by brabs on Apr 24, 2016 4:11:38 GMT -5
This could change my mind to buy the Xmc-1 when this upgrade is released. I was having trouble deciding between 7.2.4 and 7.2.2. For 7.2.2 this would be the choice for sure. Would I be right in assuming that the DSU and dts's equivilant be included in the upgrade?
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Post by markymiles on Apr 24, 2016 4:39:48 GMT -5
I hope Europeans Emo owners could update. the unit without having to spend tons of €/$ in delivery to USA. Good news. Since Dan said "there will be no cost for this upgrade" I'm assuming that its all done in firmware; therefore no need to return the unit to Emotiva. Russ I think he meant compared to the 5.2.2 option there will no extra charge to go to 5.2.4 or 7.2.2.
The whole thing obviously isn't free as there will be new hardware.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Apr 24, 2016 5:42:35 GMT -5
I know this would be a challenge for Dan Laufman and crew, but if we are going to have to send the XMC-1 in for either the Atmos or 4K upgrades (preferably the multiport/HDR version), then it would be nice if both came available about the same time so shipping costs and time away from home could be reduced. That said, I side with those who would like to see these units field upgradeable. |
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Post by bootman on Apr 24, 2016 8:22:39 GMT -5
Not sure this was answered or even discussed, but how will Dirac work with the new channel configuration, or will Dirac take a back seat when these immersive tracks are engaged? Thanks Dan Good question. Do the other units with Atmos and x32 EQ all channels or just the mains? I'm thinking a new version of Dirac with 9 ch capability will be needed. (or a Unison path) So to Dan and company, how much to send my unit in for a full HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2 upgrade along with the Atmos work? Both are an interest to me. ...and now Emotiva sees the new A-800 amplifiers fly off the shelves once available. (50x8 or 100x4)  |
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Post by audiophill on Apr 24, 2016 9:00:11 GMT -5
Ok I'm ready to send in my xmc-1 for the video and atmos/dts x upgrades plus I'll take a edr-2 emersa 2 channel amp for my front heights I'll be adding and while I'm at it I would like to try out the new tower, and center speakers as well. So what's the damage control going to be on my wallet?
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Post by djoel on Apr 24, 2016 9:15:46 GMT -5
Not sure this was answered or even discussed, but how will Dirac work with the new channel configuration, or will Dirac take a back seat when these immersive tracks are engaged? Thanks Dan Good question. Do the other units with Atmos and x32 EQ all channels or just the mains? I'm thinking a new version of Dirac with 9 ch capability will be needed. (or a Unison path) So to Dan and company, how much to send my unit in for a full HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2 upgrade along with the Atmos work? Both are an interest to me. ...and now Emotiva sees the new A-800 amplifiers fly off the shelves once available. (50x8 or 100x4) Well I got the idea for the question from Billmac over at AVS, but thought it's an interesting that begs to be answered sooner or later. Not sure how other units work with 13 plus channels, will need to go and read the Datasat page. Dan |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Apr 24, 2016 11:27:17 GMT -5
I hope Europeans Emo owners could update. the unit without having to spend tons of €/$ in delivery to USA. Good news. Since Dan said "there will be no cost for this upgrade" I'm assuming that its all done in firmware; therefore no need to return the unit to Emotiva. Russ What's he smoking??  No additional cost for the extra height/surround channels, does not mean a free Atmos/DTS-X upgrade... sorry. I kind of think you knew that anyway...  |
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Post by cwt on Apr 24, 2016 13:19:31 GMT -5
Good question. Do the other units with Atmos and x32 EQ all channels or just the mains? Its interesting Bootman that Arcam only had dirac for the bed channels with the AVR550/850 and subsequently have promised a new firmware to include the ceiling speakers in the filter calculations so that would be possibly on the cards ? Thinking about field upgradeability ; if emo prefers for the hdmi pcb ' the xmc1 to be posted back [ with good reasons as have been mentioned ] I think main pcbs and the like would be along the same lines if not stricter Dirac will still need to be run Dan ; atmos or dts-x ; its just another codec that has to be decoded in fact its piggybacked on either dolby truehd or dts hdma tracks to be decoded by the new atmos/dtsx decoders being installed Maybe think of it like the $$ trinnov altitude ; it decodes the object codecs but it also applies its auto room eq - a much more upmarket version of the same system used in the humble sherwood newcastle R972 ; hometheater.about.com/od/audiocomponentreviews/fr/sherwood_newcastle_r-972_home_theater_receiver_full_review.htm |
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Post by socketman on Apr 24, 2016 13:22:55 GMT -5
Dan. How about sharing some specific's about how the Atmos/Dtsx upgrade will be done.
A. Will a new board need to be fit.
B. A general idea on cost
C. Will it need to be done at the factory
D. Will Atmos speakers be corrected by Dirac
E. Will upfiring speakers be an option
I personally am not expecting this to free and I am not sure who would think it would be. Upgrade does not translate to free. I did not even hear about the original 5.2.2 announcement or its costs so at this point I am completely in the dark at this point. You said 7.2.2 would not cost any more than 5.2.2 but that doesn't mean much to me since I never heard a price . Just a few tidbits would stop all this wild speculation.
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Post by neo20013 on Apr 24, 2016 13:28:58 GMT -5
Dan. How about sharing some specific's about how the Atmos/Dtsx upgrade will be done. If i may, i would like to add one question: As the Emersa EMP-1 shares the same board as the XMC-1, would it be possible to upgrade the EMP-1 for Atmos/DTS-X ? |
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Post by Lsc on Apr 24, 2016 13:44:54 GMT -5
Dan. How about sharing some specific's about how the Atmos/Dtsx upgrade will be done. A. Will a new board need to be fit. B. A general idea on cost C. Will it need to be done at the factory D. Will Atmos speakers be corrected by Dirac E. Will upfiring speakers be an option I personally am not expecting this to free and I am not sure who would think it would be. Upgrade does not translate to free. I did not even hear about the original 5.2.2 announcement or its costs so at this point I am completely in the dark at this point. You said 7.2.2 would not cost any more than 5.2.2 but that doesn't mean much to me since I never heard a price . Just a few tidbits would stop all this wild speculation. Richard These are very good questions especially the cost. Since the cost is a big factor especially with Emotiva's customers- we are very value conscientious  . The cost analysis should be done before a go no go is determined. Because there are so many "way to go woo hoo!" guys, some who do not even own an XMC-1, it's hard to gauge what percentage of current customers will upgrade and at what price will they choose not to upgrade. I think they are in that research phase so it's too early to determine what the cost will be...in due time. Lots more movies are coming out in Atmos so it'll be cool to watch it in that format. |
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Post by tknice on Apr 24, 2016 14:47:00 GMT -5
It's the weekend and most of us are speculating out of excitement. I'm sure Dan will release all the specifics once they are settled. |
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Post by 2muchht on Apr 24, 2016 15:24:55 GMT -5
Will this update enable the unit to decode and reproduce "official" Atmos and DTS:X soundtracks or will it simply downmix and re-purpose non-Atmos or DTS:X tracks? It sounds as though it is the latter, not the former. If really the former, that would be great.
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Post by djoel on Apr 24, 2016 15:48:19 GMT -5
Will this update enable the unit to decode and reproduce "official" Atmos and DTS:X soundtracks or will it simply downmix and re-purpose non-Atmos or DTS:X tracks? It sounds as though it is the latter, not the former. If really the former, that would be great. No way in H.E double hockey sticks would pseudo Immersive sound track would fly around here. Its either the truth, or nothing.. Just saying! Dan |
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Post by 2muchht on Apr 24, 2016 19:19:48 GMT -5
I don't disagree. And, in fairness, Dan never said it was an "Atmos Upgrade" but others here have described it as such. Based on a variety of reasons, not the least of which be the older DSP design I suspect it would be almost impossible to do "real" Atmos or DTS:X, let alone Auro3D without a MAJOR hardware upgrade for reasons other than channel capacity and assignment.
One suspects that for TRUE compatibility with with any of the "immersive audio" formats we'll have to wait for a new underlying platform.
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Post by bootman on Apr 24, 2016 19:52:27 GMT -5
I don't disagree. And, in fairness, Dan never said it was an "Atmos Upgrade" but others here have described it as such. Based on a variety of reasons, not the least of which be the older DSP design I suspect it would be almost impossible to do "real" Atmos or DTS:X, let alone Auro3D without a MAJOR hardware upgrade for reasons other than channel capacity and assignment. One suspects that for TRUE compatibility with with any of the "immersive audio" formats we'll have to wait for a new underlying platform. I think this will be a "true" Atmos decoding (and DTS:X) Why would you think it would not be? There are two fully programmable Ti processors in this thing. Anything less and they should not use the words Atmos or DTS:X in the releases.  |
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Post by audiosyndrome on Apr 24, 2016 20:48:24 GMT -5
Since Dan said "there will be no cost for this upgrade" I'm assuming that its all done in firmware; therefore no need to return the unit to Emotiva. Russ What's he smoking?? No additional cost for the extra height/surround channels, does not mean a free Atmos/DTS-X upgrade... sorry. I kind of think you knew that anyway... Hi Dan- but I never inhale. Yes, I caught my mistake and owned up to it a number of posts before yours. Russ |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Apr 24, 2016 21:17:12 GMT -5
I don't disagree. And, in fairness, Dan never said it was an "Atmos Upgrade" but others here have described it as such. Based on a variety of reasons, not the least of which be the older DSP design I suspect it would be almost impossible to do "real" Atmos or DTS:X, let alone Auro3D without a MAJOR hardware upgrade for reasons other than channel capacity and assignment. One suspects that for TRUE compatibility with with any of the "immersive audio" formats we'll have to wait for a new underlying platform. I think this will be a "true" Atmos decoding (and DTS:X) Why would you think it would not be? There are two fully programmable Ti processors in this thing. Anything less and they should not use the words Atmos or DTS:X in the releases. Dan also mentioned having to pay additional licensing fees, which one would presume means the real thing. |
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