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Post by dimora on Sept 6, 2018 14:04:36 GMT -5
And there are lots who don’t, but they don’t post about it because they have nothing to complain about. The silent majority. To clarify, I’m not bragging about not having any issues, just in my own small way balancing the responses. According to Jessica’s post earlier today the sales of XMC-1’s with 4K has far exceeded their expectations. So plenty of people must be happy. Cheers Gary Sorry Gary, but you are making a few huge assumptions here. Most people who have bought the XMC are not on this forum. This forum represents a major minority. If only people here buy Emotiva products, they would have gone out of business a long time ago. So there could quite possibly be thousands of people havings issues, but they called Emotiva instead of coming here. Considering a lot of people here are blue koolaiders, people who tend to look for reasons to give Emotiva accolades, of which there have been very few regarding the V3 board, I'd say your assumptions might just be backwards. And let's not forget about lurkers. If their problem has already been brought up, then they are probably just waiting for a fix quietly. I'm not saying anything is fact, just that I think your assumptions are just that, and, in all likelyhood are wrong on this one. So I don't have to dig all over, what types of problems are being reported? I have a new board on the way shortly (already ordered and paid). Just super high-level bullets or a link to some problem threads would be great so I know what to look for. Thanks, Shane |
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Post by ÈlTwo on Sept 6, 2018 14:12:51 GMT -5
So I don't have to dig all over, what types of problems are being reported? I have a new board on the way shortly (already ordered and paid). Just super high-level bullets or a link to some problem threads would be great so I know what to look for. Thanks, Shane I know it's a long thread (66 pages) but it is THE thread where people who have installed the board posted. As I recall there is at least one poster who is using an HTPC, and there were issues discussed, possibly even workarounds for issues. Shouldn't take you too long to go through, since you'll be skipping over a lot of posts. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Sept 6, 2018 18:33:22 GMT -5
It’s very much dependant on what you have connected to it.For example, have a Samsung TV so no Dolby Vision and no problems, the 2017 model LG TV’s with Dolby Vision have an issue but the 2016’s don’t. I don’t have Direct TV and no problem with my cable box. I have a Sony 4K BD player, so no problem with Oppo and I don’t have a projector, so no issues there either.
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Post by martini on Sept 13, 2018 21:19:22 GMT -5
Please count me in! I just completed the XMC-1 HDMI 2.0B Video Upgrade Board (HDMI v3 board). I am way past ready for the Dolby Atmos and DTS X upgrade. Thanks for persevering and coming up with a great solution.
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Post by tesla on Feb 24, 2019 15:28:02 GMT -5
Okay, I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm just about done chasing the unicorn known as the XMC-1 Atmos/DTS:X upgrade. I don't want to spend the money, and cannot comfortably afford to do so, but I'm barely one RCH away from pulling the trigger on a NAD M17-V2 and binning my XMC. My reasoning/justifications/rationalizations are: - It's been nearly THREE YEARS since Big Dan dangled this carrot in front of us - multiple full product cycles for most manufacturers!!! - and STILL no XMC-1 Atmos solution.
- I have been running the V3 HDMI upgrade since late July and am, frankly, shocked and disappointed by Emotiva's inability to resolve the HDMI handshake issues that I, as well as others, continue to experience across multiple firmware revisions, over several long months, so I've lost confidence in Emo's ability to EVER develop an object-oriented audio solution for the XMC-1 that is stable and bug-free. At least within my lifetime, anyway.
- Prior to its HDMI V3 upgrade, my XMC-1 was a fine piece of kit that was never cause for a moment's pause, but it's now a constant source of frustration and irritation with a WAF of ZERO, and I'm afraid that the warts developing on this "modular" platform will prove to be cumulative as it is put through additional iterations.
I'll wait a little - but not much - longer for this mythical XMC-1 Atmos upgrade to manifest itself, simply because it will take a little more time to set aside enough money for the change. However, I am not optimistic that this beast will be forthcoming any time soon, or that it will not turn out to be an additional source of frustration out of the gate if and when it finally does materialize. Please do not respond with the suggestion of an RMC-1 as a viable alternative to the NAD. I've been following the RMC-1 owners' thread long enough to have dismissed it as a non-starter. Yes, the M17 V2 lacks some flexibility that the XMC-1 offers, but also offers some that the Emo doesn't. I love that the the NAD offers "virtual" sources, which enable owners to pair any audio input with any video input and select them as a single source. (My UMC-1 has this, and I have always lamented its absence in the XMC.) On the other hand, I hate that the NAD does not offer a full analog audio tape loop, which the XMC does offer. The MDC architecture is another strong recommendation for M17 V2, and NAD has already demonstrated its support for MDC by releasing a plug-in Atmos module for the earlier M17, which lacked Atmos capability. Furthermore, the NAD already employs the latest version of Dirac Live. All things considered, I'm reasonably certain I could live with it. I apologize for the venting and negativity, but I've been feeling a lot of frustration lately with Emo's "island time" approach to development and support. I work in an engineering production environment, and we'd all be looking for new jobs if our company operated like this. I have been an Emo owner for well over a decade, and still run my old UMC-1 in my bedroom system, but I cannot continue to back a horse that continues to come up short on so many tracks. |
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Post by orangeLollies on Feb 24, 2019 17:15:12 GMT -5
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Post by Gary Cook on Feb 24, 2019 23:21:31 GMT -5
My XMC-1 with V3 upgrade works perfectly so I have no lack of confidence in Emotiva’s ability to supply a functioning Atmos/DTS-X solution. I’m almost ready for it, I’ve freed up 2 channels on the XPA-5 from Zone 2 duties which gives me power amps for 5.1.2. I have selected the speakers from my usual supplier and I’ll pull the trigger on them as soon as the board is announced.
The delay is a little frustrating but deep down I knew it wouldn’t be a simple process and that the RMC-1 was going to soak up resources. As a result I’m OK with waiting a little longer. I mean the XMC-1 provides top quality 5.1, so it’s not so painful an experience.
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Post by tesla on Feb 24, 2019 23:25:25 GMT -5
My XMC-1 with V3 upgrade works perfectly so I have no lack of confidence in Emotiva’s ability to supply a functioning Atmos/DTS-X solution. I’m almost ready for it, I’ve freed up 2 channels on the XPA-5 from Zone 2 duties which gives me power amps for 5.1.2. I have selected the speakers from my usual supplier and I’ll pull the trigger on them as soon as the board is announced. The delay is a little frustrating but deep down I knew it wouldn’t be a simple process and that the RMC-1 was going to soak up resources. As a result I’m OK with waiting a little longer. I mean the XMC-1 provides top quality 5.1, so it’s not so painful an experience. Cheers Gary Happy for you! Blue pom-poms en route. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Feb 25, 2019 1:11:23 GMT -5
My XMC-1 with V3 upgrade works perfectly so I have no lack of confidence in Emotiva’s ability to supply a functioning Atmos/DTS-X solution. I’m almost ready for it, I’ve freed up 2 channels on the XPA-5 from Zone 2 duties which gives me power amps for 5.1.2. I have selected the speakers from my usual supplier and I’ll pull the trigger on them as soon as the board is announced. The delay is a little frustrating but deep down I knew it wouldn’t be a simple process and that the RMC-1 was going to soak up resources. As a result I’m OK with waiting a little longer. I mean the XMC-1 provides top quality 5.1, so it’s not so painful an experience. Happy for you! Blue pom-poms en route. No pom poms required thanks, it’s probably 50% luck in that I have a relatively simple system, no ARC/CEC required, no PC and no Direct TV or other such well known trouble makers. The other 50% I put down to painstaking (and time consuming) trouble shooting of firstly cables and then settings in every piece of gear connected to the XMC-1. It took me a couple of weeks of trial and error last July, which is about the same amount of time it took me the first time I swapped to HDMI connections from coax and toslink. But since then it’s been 99.99% trouble free. The 0.01% is the cable box, the XMC-1 doesn’t like it (sometimes, but it’s rare) when I swap direct from a 4K blue ray to a 480i program on the cable box. But every processor seems to have the same problem with this particular cable box. I’ve instituted a fix where I locked out the SD channels, but occasionally there’s an add or old footage on when I swap sources (the unlucky spin of the roulette wheel). FWIW I’m still on the original 5.1 firmware. Cheers Gary |
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Post by wizardofoz on Feb 27, 2019 3:00:58 GMT -5
At almost the 3 year mark I too am growing a little tired...I might just sell both my Xmc-1’s and seeing as the rmc is still a no go for int’l buys - probably a blessing despite a successful attempt to purchase other than it being denied by non USA purchase, and go with something stupid expensive that at least works...enter Lyngdorf MP-50
Seems like the appointed dealer here is no longer even an option so that went well...I’ve had a truck load of Emotiva gear over the last decade or more too. I still have a lot of the ERM/ERD speakers and a few other amps and processors too...but it’s all been down hill for the last 3-4 years and doesnt seem to be any sign of that trend changing. The XMC is still a great product but follow up updates and new products are not going in the right direction. A real shame.
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Post by Gary Cook on Feb 27, 2019 5:40:32 GMT -5
At almost the 3 year mark I too am growing a little tired...I might just sell both my Xmc-1’s and seeing as the rmc is still a no go for int’l buys - probably a blessing despite a successful attempt to purchase other than it being denied by non USA purchase, and go with something stupid expensive that at least works...enter Lyngdorf MP-50 Seems like the appointed dealer here is no longer even an option so that went well...I’ve had a truck load of Emotiva gear over the last decade or more too. I still have a lot of the ERM/ERD speakers and a few other amps and processors too...but it’s all been down hill for the last 3-4 years and doesnt seem to be any sign of that trend changing. The XMC is still a great product but follow up updates and new products are not going in the right direction. A real shame. Much the same here in Australia, where to compound the situation the distributor is also inflating the prices and of course the ever diminishing number of retailers are not happy but ultimately they aren’t important. It’s the consumers that are voting with their wallets and buying other brands. Emotiva has lost the value for money price point that it previously occupied. Their products used to be sold at a comparatively lower price whilst the same time giving superior performance, a true win win scenario for the buyer. We did, at the same time, acknowledge the risks in regards to being a no bricks and motor retail. Now it’s a similar price point for similar performance, although even that is debateable in regards to processors et al. Cheers Gary |
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Post by mick on Feb 27, 2019 11:26:54 GMT -5
At almost the 3 year mark I too am growing a little tired...I might just sell both my Xmc-1’s and seeing as the rmc is still a no go for int’l buys - probably a blessing despite a successful attempt to purchase other than it being denied by non USA purchase, and go with something stupid expensive that at least works...enter Lyngdorf MP-50 Seems like the appointed dealer here is no longer even an option so that went well...I’ve had a truck load of Emotiva gear over the last decade or more too. I still have a lot of the ERM/ERD speakers and a few other amps and processors too...but it’s all been down hill for the last 3-4 years and doesnt seem to be any sign of that trend changing. The XMC is still a great product but follow up updates and new products are not going in the right direction. A real shame. "Seems like the appointed dealer here is no longer even an option so that went well." Hey Wizard, what do mean by the above? has the dealer folded cheers |
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Post by wizardofoz on Feb 28, 2019 4:50:09 GMT -5
Im not sure what happened ... but now we in Singapore can buy direct again it seems.
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Post by Percussionista on Feb 28, 2019 11:39:37 GMT -5
At almost the 3 year mark I too am growing a little tired...
And the kick in the head for me... I considered the price of the XMC-1 to be a bit higher than I wanted to reach for and wasn't planning on Dolby Atmos. (I currently have an MC-700 for 4K et. al., 5.1 setup). But I decided I definitely want to have Atmos capability in my next processor, and will see how I can handle a 5.1.2 situation in my 11x16.5 theater room that we have now. So even when the Atmos board becomes available it will only be available to people who already own an XMC-1, you can't buy the main unit any more! The RMC is way way out of my price range. I guess I will have to wait and see what an XMC-2 looks like - some day ;-( I had originally hoped for that emersa processor more like a kilobuck.
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Post by KeithL on Feb 28, 2019 11:50:59 GMT -5
We're still finalizing some of the details....
But I can tell you that the XMC-2 will be roughly equivalent to the XMC-1... with the 4k HDMI and Atmos/DTS-X upgrades already included... and at a comparable price. I'm pretty sure you won't be disappointed.
At almost the 3 year mark I too am growing a little tired... And the kick in the head for me... I considered the price of the XMC-1 to be a bit higher than I wanted to reach for and wasn't planning on Dolby Atmos. (I currently have an MC-700 for 4K et. al., 5.1 setup). But I decided I definitely want to have Atmos capability in my next processor, and will see how I can handle a 5.1.2 situation in my 11x16.5 theater room that we have now. So even when the Atmos board becomes available it will only be available to people who already own an XMC-1, you can't buy the main unit any more! The RMC is way way out of my price range. I guess I will have to wait and see what an XMC-2 looks like - some day ;-( I had originally hoped for that emersa processor more like a kilobuck.
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Post by Gary Cook on Feb 28, 2019 22:08:44 GMT -5
And the kick in the head for me... I considered the price of the XMC-1 to be a bit higher than I wanted to reach for and wasn't planning on Dolby Atmos. (I currently have an MC-700 for 4K et. al., 5.1 setup). But I decided I definitely want to have Atmos capability in my next processor, and will see how I can handle a 5.1.2 situation in my 11x16.5 theater room that we have now. So even when the Atmos board becomes available it will only be available to people who already own an XMC-1, you can't buy the main unit any more! The RMC is way way out of my price range. I guess I will have to wait and see what an XMC-2 looks like - some day ;-( I had originally hoped for that emersa processor more like a kilobuck. I have tried 5.1.2 at my place using a Yamaha CX-A5100 and it works very well, whilst sound quality is not quite as good as my XMC-1, the soundscape is awesome. It really fills the 360 degrees of the room. I also tried 5.1.4 but for the extra effort I didn't think it was even close to being worth it. I have set up 2 other friends with 5.1.2 systems (using CX-A5100's) and both are extremely happy. Maybe you should consider a used XMC-1 with some warranty left and having the seller ship it to Emotiva for upgrading, that's what I did. Really looking forward to the Atmos/DTS-X board in my XMC-1 (are we there yet). Cheers Gary |
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Post by wizardofoz on Mar 1, 2019 3:48:09 GMT -5
We're still finalizing some of the details.... But I can tell you that the XMC-2 will be roughly equivalent to the XMC-1... with the 4k HDMI and Atmos/DTS-X upgrades already included... and at a comparable price. I'm pretty sure you won't be disappointed.
And the kick in the head for me... I considered the price of the XMC-1 to be a bit higher than I wanted to reach for and wasn't planning on Dolby Atmos. (I currently have an MC-700 for 4K et. al., 5.1 setup). But I decided I definitely want to have Atmos capability in my next processor, and will see how I can handle a 5.1.2 situation in my 11x16.5 theater room that we have now. So even when the Atmos board becomes available it will only be available to people who already own an XMC-1, you can't buy the main unit any more! The RMC is way way out of my price range. I guess I will have to wait and see what an XMC-2 looks like - some day ;-( I had originally hoped for that emersa processor more like a kilobuck.
Keith that doesn’t say much to the many who got the XMC-1 that was built to be future proof as I recall it being described...maybe the way back machine will tell all. I spent many years servicing and helping Emotiva customers in Singapore to get their repairs done and I really thought we would have had some continuity with the XMC-1 but years later we are all still stuck pretty much at day one with respect to future upgradability. Thankfully the XMC-1 has once it got past the first few rounds of software updates been pretty stable...how much longer do the faithful have to wait? Emotiva...look after your long time supporters. Ah...here it is.... web.archive.org/web/20140309090407/http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/processors/products/xmc-1Ultimate Flexibility and Convenience Forget planned obsolescence. The XMC-1 is completely modular and upgradable to meet future standards. All main system components can be upgraded as needed, while our custom Linux software assures expandability for years to come. Made in the USA The XMC-1 is the first product made in our all-new Nashville, Tennessee Production Center, which allows us exceptional control over every facet of the design and production process for ultimate quality. The Emotiva XMC-1. Beyond all expectations. |
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Post by dimora on Apr 1, 2019 10:49:45 GMT -5
I noticed Q1 2017 is gone from the Emo website. I have a need for Atmos now...dedicated Atmos speakers in-hand. What is the timeline on the Atmos feature on the XMC-1? Please give a solid date. It is better to under-promise and over-deliver than the other way around. Shane Q1 2019 has come and gone as of today - April Fool’s day. I see there was plenty of time to make an April Fool’s joke about subwoofers for dogs, but what about real stuff for us product owners? Where’s the XMC-1 Atmos board? |
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Post by doc1963 on Apr 1, 2019 12:07:17 GMT -5
I noticed Q1 2017 is gone from the Emo website. I have a need for Atmos now...dedicated Atmos speakers in-hand. What is the timeline on the Atmos feature on the XMC-1? Please give a solid date. It is better to under-promise and over-deliver than the other way around. Shane Q1 2019 has come and gone as of today - April Fool’s day. I see there was plenty of time to make an April Fool’s joke about subwoofers for dogs, but what about real stuff for us product owners? Where’s the XMC-1 Atmos board? Tune in on April 13th for their product announcements from AXPONA. We don't expect to hear anything before then... |
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Post by dimora on Apr 1, 2019 12:14:49 GMT -5
Q1 2019 has come and gone as of today - April Fool’s day. I see there was plenty of time to make an April Fool’s joke about subwoofers for dogs, but what about real stuff for us product owners? Where’s the XMC-1 Atmos board? Tune in on April 13th for their product announcements from AXPONA. We don't expect to hear anything before then... Will do... I heard that last year when I was actually at AXPONA... We shall see... |
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