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Post by bolle on Jan 19, 2017 7:00:13 GMT -5
Thank you Urwi. The PEQ game again eh?  I also somehow don´t understand the internal communication if Dan says something very clearly but the shipped product behaves differently. |
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Post by darklogix on Jan 23, 2017 9:31:36 GMT -5
Ok so I got my MC-700 Friday night.
Only real issue I'm having is with HDMI-CEC, it doesn't seem to intercept the CEC signal and then the TV receives it and changes input, it stopped doing that after awhile but the MC-700 still doesn't act on it and change to the desired input (Thus requires manual intervention to tell the MC-700 to switch to the input for the device.)
Only other issue I had was the AutoEQ set the sub to under 1ft distance and that caused the delay to be very noticeable.
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Post by sydhaynes on Jan 23, 2017 10:59:33 GMT -5
Ok so I got my MC-700 Friday night. Only real issue I'm having is with HDMI-CEC, it doesn't seem to intercept the CEC signal and then the TV receives it and changes input, it stopped doing that after awhile but the MC-700 still doesn't act on it and change to the desired input (Thus requires manual intervention to tell the MC-700 to switch to the input for the device.) Only other issue I had was the AutoEQ set the sub to under 1ft distance and that caused the delay to be very noticeable. You may already be aware of this, but under Menu/Setup/Option there is a HDMI CEC Control option. |
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Post by darklogix on Jan 23, 2017 14:27:20 GMT -5
Ok so I got my MC-700 Friday night. Only real issue I'm having is with HDMI-CEC, it doesn't seem to intercept the CEC signal and then the TV receives it and changes input, it stopped doing that after awhile but the MC-700 still doesn't act on it and change to the desired input (Thus requires manual intervention to tell the MC-700 to switch to the input for the device.) Only other issue I had was the AutoEQ set the sub to under 1ft distance and that caused the delay to be very noticeable. You may already be aware of this, but under Menu/Setup/Option there is a HDMI CEC Control option. And I turned that on already. I'll double check but pretty sure I turned that on. When I turn off the TV the MC-700 does turn off, though the opposite isn't true. |
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Post by darklogix on Jan 24, 2017 9:57:18 GMT -5
Ok I double checked and the "HDMI CEC control" option is set to on, still it doesn't interact with device's CEC commands.
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Post by KeithL on Jan 24, 2017 11:31:07 GMT -5
OK, I've got a little perspective to add here.....  What we're talking about here is NOT "a list of bugs" on the UMC-200 (and is NOT a list of bugs on the MC-700 either). This is a list of things that one particular reviewer thought should be changed on the UMC-200. One or two were actually design flaws, several were simply the results of design decisions, and a few were just "wish list items". For various reasons, some of these HAVE already been changed on the MC-700, and a few are scheduled to be changed in an up-coming firmware update. (And several will not be changed - because we don't consider them to be problems to begin with.) The UMC-200 originally had 11 bands of PEQ on all channels EXCEPT the subwoofer channel (which had three bands) and the rear surrounds (which had none). We decided not to change this on the UMC-200 because adding the extra EQ was deemed unimportant, and would have stressed the processing capabilities of the unit. However, due to customer demand, we DID decide to change this on the MC-700, and to include 11 bands of PEQ on ALL of the outputs on the MC-700. We had hoped to have this change implemented by the time we started shipping the MC-700, but the code changes were slightly delayed, again for various reasons. This feature WILL be implemented on the MC-700 in a later firmware release (probably quite soon). Also, unlike the UMC-200, the firmware on the MC-700 can be updated via a simple USB stick (you no longer need to connect a computer via USB cable and use an updater utility).
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Post by darklogix on Jan 24, 2017 13:30:45 GMT -5
So just wondering, the item I bring up about HDMI-CEC, is that something that can or will be fixed?
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Post by darklogix on Jan 26, 2017 13:18:40 GMT -5
Also I've noticed that the OSD only overlays on inputs 4, 5, and 6. (the nonHDCP2.2 inputs.)
The overlay is nice as it gives a more seamless experience, so just wondering is it possible to do that on the HDCP inputs, if not then oh well but figured I'd ask.
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Post by doc1963 on Jan 26, 2017 13:25:57 GMT -5
Also I've noticed that the OSD only overlays on inputs 4, 5, and 6. (the nonHDCP2.2 inputs.)The overlay is nice as it gives a more seamless experience, so just wondering is it possible to do that on the HDCP inputs, if not then oh well but figured I'd ask. I "believe" this has been answered by Lonnie in another thread. If memory serves me correctly, on ports 1-3, the OSD will overlay on 1080p (or lower) content, but not 4K content. |
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Post by niuguy on Jan 26, 2017 14:19:07 GMT -5
Also I've noticed that the OSD only overlays on inputs 4, 5, and 6. (the nonHDCP2.2 inputs.)The overlay is nice as it gives a more seamless experience, so just wondering is it possible to do that on the HDCP inputs, if not then oh well but figured I'd ask. I "believe" this has been answered by Lonnie in another thread. If memory serves me correctly, on ports 1-3, the OSD will overlay on 1080p (or lower) content, but not 4K content. No, 1-3 will not overlay. You need 4-6 to use the OSD overlay. |
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Post by doc1963 on Jan 26, 2017 14:44:07 GMT -5
I "believe" this has been answered by Lonnie in another thread. If memory serves me correctly, on ports 1-3, the OSD will overlay on 1080p (or lower) content, but not 4K content. No, 1-3 will not overlay. You need 4-6 to use the OSD overlay. Memory must have "not" served me well. Thanks for clarifying...  |
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Post by davidkpar on Jan 31, 2017 18:25:36 GMT -5
Newbie to forums, so hope I'm in the right place for this general comment, on the MC-700.
Just received mine, last week. Replaced a UMC-200 (for sale). Hooked it up, ran EmoQ, tweaked a couple of speaker distances, bumped up center channel output, by 2db, and cranked 'er up. My .02 worth - Lonnie has done his homework, on this one - better stock EmoQ results, more/tighter bass impact, much more intelligible center channel dialogue (I had to really tweak the center, with the UMC-200, and it was still not as clear, as the 700), and even more realistic sounding, more detailed instrumentation. (I only run Directv, and, until Saturday, a Panny 3D Blu-Ray as sources. My Oppo 4K Blu-ray is waiting for me, at Best Buy.)
The MC-700 is a definite upgrade, in my opinion.
PS: It's a shame, it won't pass OSD, thru HDMI 1-3. Bummer, as the 700 display is too small, to read, at 13 feet!
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Post by leefdalucky on Feb 2, 2017 18:14:55 GMT -5
Ok some quick notes, and some will echo David's post above:
I took possession of my MC-700 on late Tuesday afternoon. I spent Tuesday night cleaning up my equipment rack, moving some sources around, pulling out the exisiting UMC-1, installing the new MC-700, lots of wire/cable management with some Zipties.
Ended the night with a quick power cycle test, input verifications and some internet speed tests to make sure everything worked.
Installation notes:
1) for the purposes of my own HT, Everything is based on 720p as my old projector is native 720.
(this saved me a lot of headaches for now, and indeed I didn't require any new cables or HDMI's)
Current HDMI's are monoprice UltraSlim Active redmere 18 Gpbs cables (late 2015), and 1 x 25' Monoprice Ultra Cabernet HDMI (3 months ago)
2) Config - Out: HDMI Port 1
In: HDMI 1 MediaSonic HW180 OTA
In: HDMI 2 Sony Bluray BX38
In: HDMI 3 Apple TV 2
In: HDMI 4 Beelink GT1 Android Box
3) Setup - Personal Preferences
Old school Tape measured to 5.1's for distance.
Rat Shack Calibrated to 77db (around 18 on Volume Display in my case) across the board. Then.....
Bumped Centre up: + 2.0 db (pretty standard for me)
Dropped down Sub: -5.5 db
Slopes : 12/12/12/24sub
Crossover: Smalls/80hz
No EmoQ run. (Don't know if I will, i rebuilt an old laptop and my try some REQwiz in the future, provided i survive the learning curve.)
Wednesday night: Testing for 5+ hours...
4) THE GOOD:
Sound quality. Yes, this is why i bought it. And it's definitely here. I was HOPING that, like the Umc200, this thing would beat the UMC-1 and it does. Soundly. I'm getting a lot more of everything. The mid bass is more pronounced, dialog seems to be much improved as far as clarity goes. My bass went through the roof during Batman Begins last night. I went through Batmobile-Scene 28 around 5 times until I finally dialed in the Sub to -5.5 without cracking my rafters. Actually I'm kinda wondering how soft the UMC-1 was on midbass now. Was I missing this all along? Does anyone else think the UMC-1 was slightly sterile in the mids?
The UMC-1 was really accuarate on the highs/cymbals/ricochets etc. and thankfully that's all here too. So i'm happy. Played through the opening credits of Blade Runner (awesome Vangelis soundtrack in there) and was pretty WOWed.
Did I mention my surrounds are now alive?! I chucked on Star Wars:FA and was doing some DTS:Master testing and noticed how much more my surrounds are on. I have no idea why the UMC-1 sounded so weak on these now. I went through the same basic calibration process, but I didn't hear anything like the enveloping sounds of last night. Love it so much i watched to whole movie. and Pacific Rim rocked too. Oh and I ran some Dave Matthews off the RadioCity 96/24 disc. Its' probably the best I've ever heard it sound. I did some prelimary music listening but nothing defenitive. I just wanted to make sure it worked. I briefly tried some SuperTramp off AppleTVs music section. Sounded pretty sweet (still have to get used to the midbass presence). Played a couple .flacs of Zeppelin, Police, Santana, Queen, Floyd, Guitar Music for Small Rooms...
All this was very quick scanning, so i won't make too many comments of the MC-700's musicality until I investigate more. Sounds VERY good from what I've heard so far.
Later on during the weekend, i'm going to delve into some more of the serious albums i was waiting for (Genesis: Lamb, SEBTP, Doors, Pink Floyd DSOM, America - Ventura Highway, some Robbie Roberston and some Crosby/Stills/Nash/Young and, if i get the house to myself at any point, some Metallica: justice for all/master of puppets)
Build Quality: Very nice. compact form factor. Simplified. I like the little things like the back panel is black instead of that industrial grey computer panel steel. sturdy inputs. light weight. Hooked it up in around 35 mins.
HDMI Switching: very good. a couple seconds faster than the UMC-1. Oh and no video/audio dropouts at ANY time during my runs last night. I do have the 0.1 second pink screen when switching inputs but it syncs up and locks on eventually.
5) The So-So:
I had one issue with AppleTV not picking up DD5.1 from Netflix/Apple Store (until i figured it out and set up Digital Output as "On" instead of "Auto" on the ATV. The UMC-1 has no problem with this. Not sure why the MC-700 struggled until I set it permanent.
The Menu/GUI system seems counter Intuitive. It's not terrible. But it could be easier. At least you only have the play with it once and awhile.
The VFD Display is freakishly small. I remember Dan was talking about the new upcoming Slim Form factor processor with a sweetheart of a display (Just like the XMC, but smaller...) Sadly i think this is headed for the Emersa line. (Others mentioned this, so i was already aware).
6) The Ugly:
The OSD. are you kidding me? it's 2017. Even my 2009 UMC-1 has a prettier menu/OSD. Why would you guys install that? And for the record, that's exactly why i'm using inputs 1-3, so i don't have to look at that thing. it makes me cry. Please someone tell me that it's fixable or can be modified. It looks like it was created by some kid using Minecraft. I would really rather use inputs 4-6 so i can see volume and source info.
Other than that, I'm thoroughly enjoying this unit so far. The instant sound upgrade was noticeable, and i really like the form factor. I'm not suffering any drop-outs or malfunctions yet (alhough i still need to do some more music testing).
And i'm glad i was able to future proof a bit by getting a 4k/HDR potential processor. Pretty happy over here and i have NO problem unloading my UMC at this point.
my $0.02 for what it's worth,
Leefy
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Post by davidkpar on Feb 2, 2017 21:44:38 GMT -5
I had the UMC-1, also, Leefy. My sentiments, exactly - the UMC-200 was an audible upgrade, and now, the MC-700 is another VERY audible upgrade. My UMC-1 was definitely weak, in the mid-bass/surrounds, as you point out. (I did run EmoQ, on it, and tweaked the results - quite a bit, on it, less so, on the 200 {mainly center channel dialog, as mentioned above} - hardly at all, on the 700.) One other minor complaint - the durn EmoQ mic jack, on the back, this time - instead, of on the front, where it belongs! All my audio equipment is in a large piece of audio furniture, so it's a pain, in the tail, to get to anything, on the backs, of these units.
In a word, on the UMC-700 - dynamite!!
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Post by leefdalucky on Feb 5, 2017 10:34:57 GMT -5
Ok so got into some music for a couple hours yesterday afternoon.
I couldn't get used to the mid-bass. It was almost overpowering.
So i hooked up the mic and ran EmoQ like David did in the above post.
EmoQ basically got the distances right except the sub (which i fixed).
It also set my front speakers to large with no Xovers, so i fixed that too.
EmoQ mysteriously dropped the bass volume right out of my sub, and I found i had to go turn up the manual gain to around my UMC-1 level.
Looking at some of the PEQ numbers that EmoQ yielded it makes sense. It gave me a bump through the bottom end (ie 50-70 hz) on about 2 different bands.
Then i see it deducted about -2 to -3.5 across some of the bands in the mid-bass, effectively cleaning it up.
After all was said and done, it came out sounding a LOT better. the mids got toned down (not to UMC-1 levels, but more pleasing) and the bass is a lot tighter.
This is what i was looking for in my music. and no surprise when i put on a couple movies, those same improvements translated into a better movie sound stage.
I think briefly running this, was a good thing and kind of dropped the unit out of showroom/standard/"torch" mode and got all the PEQ filters running.
Very glad i did it, even if a value or 2 were off. Great little tweak to an already impressive sounding unit.
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Post by darklogix on Feb 6, 2017 12:20:26 GMT -5
EmoQ basically got the distances right except the sub (which i fixed). EmoQ mysteriously dropped the bass volume right out of my sub, and I found i had to go turn up the manual gain to around my UMC-1 level. I saw something similar. 1. EmoQ got my speakers mostly right but set the sub to under 1ft which caused an audible delay that was distracting. 2. For me it set the Sub gain to 24db, and it was a bit much so I lowered it one notch to 12db. |
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Post by BroncoAZ on Feb 6, 2017 12:32:19 GMT -5
1. EmoQ got my speakers mostly right but set the sub to under 1ft which caused an audible delay that was distracting. 2. For me it set the Sub gain to 24db, and it was a bit much so I lowered it one notch to 12db. I think you are mistaking sub gain for sub slope. The crossover slope can only be set for 12dB or 24 dB, gain can be set in single dB increments. |
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Post by darklogix on Feb 7, 2017 10:52:30 GMT -5
1. EmoQ got my speakers mostly right but set the sub to under 1ft which caused an audible delay that was distracting. 2. For me it set the Sub gain to 24db, and it was a bit much so I lowered it one notch to 12db. I think you are mistaking sub gain for sub slope. The crossover slope can only be set for 12dB or 24 dB, gain can be set in single dB increments. That's possible as I'm not a pro at this. But switching it to 12db improved the sound by lessening the sound of the bass. |
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Post by urwi on Feb 8, 2017 4:24:49 GMT -5
With a 12dB crossover setting sub and speakers will be "out of phase". You will get cancellation around the crossover creating a deep notch. This is normal behavior for the type of filter Emotiva is using. On the other hand it is also highly confusing for most users as they don't know much about filters and phase. Usually manufacturers take care of this by inverting the sub digitally when a 12dB (Butterworth or Linkwitz-Riley) filter is selected, so the filter behavior is more in line with expectations of the average user. I think you are mistaking sub gain for sub slope. The crossover slope can only be set for 12dB or 24 dB, gain can be set in single dB increments. That's possible as I'm not a pro at this. But switching it to 12db improved the sound by lessening the sound of the bass. |
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Post by darklogix on Feb 13, 2017 8:47:41 GMT -5
One thing I noticed over the weekend when watching a movie and I happen to pause it.
As soon as I paused the movie I started getting all kinds of pops and bad noise, and un-pausing it didn't fix it I had to stop the movie and then resume it.
The movie was being played via my Samsung UHD player, I don't think the player is at fault because it didn't happen when connected directly to the TV.
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