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Post by bolle on Nov 29, 2016 2:09:14 GMT -5
Any processor on the market will run 3.1 without problems...
Speculating based on the UMC-200 and this being essentially the same platform DSP-wise, Direct will be only really Direct for analog sources. But perhaps this has changed, I don´t know for sure.
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Post by urwi on Nov 29, 2016 4:04:52 GMT -5
Hi guys
Interesting processor although it is more expensive than the Outlaw and doesn't support Atmos nor DTS:X.
Have the odd UMC-200 signal routing and usability issues been resolved?
Does it support HDMI 2.0a or higher so it can be used with 4k UHD HDR video?
Thanks
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Post by bolle on Nov 29, 2016 4:28:30 GMT -5
Did you even read the product page? That would answer your HDMI questions.
Regarding the "odd signal routing" and "usability" issues - I never experienced those in the 3+ years of UMC-200 use. Could you be a bit more specific here? The only slightly "odd" thing I experienced was different bass management for analog and digital sources, no real problem imho.
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Post by Dan Laufman on Nov 29, 2016 7:41:33 GMT -5
The BasX MC-700 is very nice unit.
We've really enhanced the EmoQ performance and have a new active measurement microphone that delivers very consistent results.
In keeping with our all modular design approach, the HDMI subsystem is now modular, as it the main audio decoder system. So, what does that mean?
It means that we will be able to continue to support this platform moving forward, much like the XMC-1.
We done building boxes that have the be put in the trash every couple of years due to evolving technologies. Will they last forever? No. But we should be able to accommodate reasonable changes.
The HDMI sub-system features 600 MHz bandwidth on the three HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 inputs, by the way.
And by the way, the Outlaw 975 is not even close in capabilities to the MC-700.
Cheers,
Big Dan
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Post by geebo on Nov 29, 2016 8:13:44 GMT -5
Hi guys Interesting processor although it is more expensive than the Outlaw and doesn't support Atmos nor DTS:X. Have the odd UMC-200 signal routing and usability issues been resolved? Does it support HDMI 2.0a or higher so it can be used with 4k UHD HDR video? Thanks No HDMI 2.0 or HDCP 2.2 with the Outlaw. No automatic room correction or even manual equalization, either. So if you plan on getting a 4K TV anytime soon you might want to take the Outlaw off your list. And I think the odds of them upgrading the HDMI outputs to those specs is about as sure as the Sun rising in the West. How many pay the same for the Outlaw as they would for an MC-700? |
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Post by KeithL on Nov 29, 2016 9:50:53 GMT -5
The MC-700 supports HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 . Hi guys Interesting processor although it is more expensive than the Outlaw and doesn't support Atmos nor DTS:X. Have the odd UMC-200 signal routing and usability issues been resolved? Does it support HDMI 2.0a or higher so it can be used with 4k UHD HDR video? Thanks No HDMI 2.0 or HDCP 2.2 with the Outlaw. No automatic room correction or even manual equalization, either. So if you plan on getting a 4K TV anytime soon you might want to take the Outlaw off your list. And I think the odds of them upgrading the HDMI outputs to those specs is about as sure as the Sun rising in the West. How many pay the same for the Outlaw as they would for an MC-700? |
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Post by KeithL on Nov 29, 2016 9:56:57 GMT -5
That's one of the two typos that we know of (no points for noticing the other one). That's why the manual is still PRELIMINARY; you'll get the final one in a few days.  On page 23 of the manual for the MC-700 it states "Note: If you have Direct Mode selected, or are using the 7.1 Channel Audio direct input, you will NOT be able to preview the EQ settings (because EQ is not applied in Direct mode)" I don't understand the mention of 7.1 direct input because I don't see any 7.1 inputs on the back panel. Thanks. |
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Post by bolle on Nov 29, 2016 10:11:45 GMT -5
That´s quite a major typo regarding HDMI 2.0a and 2.0.  Sadly that makes the unit unattractive for overseas buyers until 2.0a is included imho. Sending it in for upgrade just isn´t cost-efficient with a unit in this price segment. |
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Post by mdanderson on Nov 29, 2016 12:04:29 GMT -5
That's one of the two typos that we know of (no points for noticing the other one). That's why the manual is still PRELIMINARY; you'll get the final one in a few days. On page 23 of the manual for the MC-700 it states "Note: If you have Direct Mode selected, or are using the 7.1 Channel Audio direct input, you will NOT be able to preview the EQ settings (because EQ is not applied in Direct mode)" I don't understand the mention of 7.1 direct input because I don't see any 7.1 inputs on the back panel. Thanks. Thanks Keith. Do we know what dacs are being used in the mc700? If it was in the prelim manual and I missed it then I apologize. Thanks again. |
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Post by urwi on Nov 29, 2016 12:24:01 GMT -5
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Post by Ctuna on Nov 29, 2016 15:30:14 GMT -5
FYI I did not know what all the talk was about with HDMI 2.0 a So I did some looking. The main thing to know is that HDMI 2.0a is only relevant to new, high-end 2015 TVs that can accept and display HDR content. Most of the 4K TVs and non-4K announced in 2015, including numerous high-end models such as LG's 2015 OLED TVs , don't support HDR. They don't need HDMI 2.0a and have no use for HDR signals, via HDMI or otherwise. The only TVs we know about for 2015 that do support HDR are Samsung's SUHD line, Vizio's Reference series , Panasonic's CX850 and two of Sony's most-expensive XBR models. Bottom line HDMI 2.0a is not a big change, and it likely won't affect you right now, but like we've been doing for years, we wanted to hedge against the inevitable claims of cable purveyors. Next time someone says "HDMI 2.0a compatible cables! Only $999.99 per meter!," tell them you'll save some money and get the cheap ones instead. www.cnet.com/news/what-is-hdmi-2-0a/ |
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Post by jmilton on Nov 29, 2016 15:46:55 GMT -5
FYI I did not know what all the talk was about with HDMI 2.0 a So I did some looking. The main thing to know is that HDMI 2.0a is only relevant to new, high-end 2015 TVs that can accept and display HDR content. Most of the 4K TVs and non-4K announced in 2015, including numerous high-end models such as LG's 2015 OLED TVs , don't support HDR. They don't need HDMI 2.0a and have no use for HDR signals, via HDMI or otherwise. The only TVs we know about for 2015 that do support HDR are Samsung's SUHD line, Vizio's Reference series , Panasonic's CX850 and two of Sony's most-expensive XBR models. Bottom line HDMI 2.0a is not a big change, and it likely won't affect you right now, but like we've been doing for years, we wanted to hedge against the inevitable claims of cable purveyors. Next time someone says "HDMI 2.0a compatible cables! Only $999.99 per meter!," tell them you'll save some money and get the cheap ones instead. www.cnet.com/news/what-is-hdmi-2-0a/It's not relevant? Vizio (P and M series... support HDR10 & Dolby Vision, too), Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, LG, TCL, Hisense, and practically every other TV manufacturer you can think of now have HDR-compatible TV sets. The extra pixels are fine, but the only real reason you'd want a UHDTV set is because of HDR and WCG. I was just about to order 50 of these for my friends for Christmas...but no 2.0a has me closing the money vault until later. (frowny face Emoji HERE) |
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Post by niuguy on Nov 29, 2016 15:56:17 GMT -5
HDR has turned into a mainstream feature as of 2016. The new Playstation and the new Xbox use HDR as a defining feature. Nobody should buy a 4k set this year that doesn't have HDR unless, in my opinion. I don't think you can brush aside HDR as a niche feature.
All that said, I'm likely to stay with my preorder because 1) I have a 1080 panasonic plasma that I won't replace until 70+"sets come down in price and 2) Balanced sub out for my homemade subwoofers and 3) I'll be able to upgrade it later.
I'm still a little burned about it though. In my opinion, Emotiva knew it wasn't up to 2.0a spec and they were purposely cagey about it and they knew HDR was a listed feature.
EDIT: Sorry, not a great way to make my first post, but I've been following this ever since I realized that it listed HDR but nobody knew the real HDMI specs. I preordered to make sure I got the sale, and while I do honestly feel like its a good value it's a bit upsetting to feel played. Anyways, I love Emotiva's stuff and I will continue to support them as long as the products are well made.
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 29, 2016 16:19:06 GMT -5
That review has been debunked many times. Some of the so called "bugs" are not bugs at all but simply engineering decisions made, for example complaining that "Direct" mode doesn't have bass management is ridiculous, it's not Direct if it's processed. Subsequent software upgrades have resolved all issues for me, not that they were a big deal in the first place. Cheers Gary |
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Post by Percussionista on Nov 29, 2016 17:51:15 GMT -5
HDR has turned into a mainstream feature as of 2016. The new Playstation and the new Xbox use HDR as a defining feature. Nobody should buy a 4k set this year that doesn't have HDR unless, in my opinion. I don't think you can brush aside HDR as a niche feature..... +1 Disappointed it doesn't do HDR, takes it off my list, though I guess I don't have a list at this point now that the EMP-1 is also shelved for re-engineering to add Atmos/DTS-X (good) and is pushed out to sometime after the XMC-1 mods and the RMC-1 come out ;-( [Really, how many people are going to buy this absolute top-end RMC-1 vs. a mainstream high-quality EMC-1? I know many on this list do want the RMC-1 and have been patiently waiting for it, but it would seem the market for a more manageably priced high-end unit would be a much bigger seller - many folks even on this forum have indicated the EMC-1 is beyond their budget. There's a big hole in the surround-processor offerings from Emo at this point that the EMC-1 would fill.] HDR is an absolute MUST HAVE. I have been waiting patiently for this combination of features (4K, HDR) before jumping into the UHD bandwagon. Will accept just HDR-10, though would be nice if DolbyVision is also available. I'm hoping I will be able to live with just an Oppo-203 for a little bit, though that won't have individual channel crossovers to the SW and mighty few inputs ;-) We'll see... still waiting for the 2017 TV lineup to become known and available. |
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Post by millst on Nov 30, 2016 0:23:33 GMT -5
That review has been debunked many times. Some of the so called "bugs" are not bugs at all but simply engineering decisions made, for example complaining that "Direct" mode doesn't have bass management is ridiculous, it's not Direct if it's processed. Subsequent software upgrades have resolved all issues for me, not that they were a big deal in the first place. Cheers Gary I'd love to see the debunking. Most of those "engineering decisions" would have to originate from questionable logic. -tm |
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Post by urwi on Nov 30, 2016 2:58:20 GMT -5
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Post by bolle on Nov 30, 2016 3:01:44 GMT -5
No, I was only replying to the first post because you only referred to this...
Again - the whole topic was discussed here in depth about 2 years ago. I won´t repeat this discussion.
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Post by urwi on Nov 30, 2016 3:06:20 GMT -5
I think you misread the post. With digital input signals bass management is still active even when direct mode is selected. What is the latest firmware version? The AVS forum report is based on 1.52.02.47. If the MC-700 does work like that it would be a big deal to me as basic functionality is flawed. For example the headphone output is post speaker processing. That review has been debunked many times. Some of the so called "bugs" are not bugs at all but simply engineering decisions made, for example complaining that "Direct" mode doesn't have bass management is ridiculous, it's not Direct if it's processed. Subsequent software upgrades have resolved all issues for me, not that they were a big deal in the first place. Cheers Gary |
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Post by urwi on Nov 30, 2016 3:10:55 GMT -5
I'm confused. The first post links to the graph at www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/1491348-official-emotiva-umc-200-thread-4.html#post24254494So I have to assume the graph does indeed show how the UMC-200 works. Anyway, the discussion here is about the MC-700. I just would like to know if it works the same or if the bugs from the UMC-200 have been rectified. No, I was only replying to the first post because you only referred to this... Again - the whole topic was discussed here in depth about 2 years ago. I won´t repeat this discussion. |
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Sadly that makes the unit unattractive for overseas buyers until 2.0a is included imho. Sending it in for upgrade just isn´t cost-efficient with a unit in this price segment.
