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Post by petew on Sept 18, 2016 9:56:55 GMT -5
I'd like to pick up a 4k projector some day.
Don't care about 4k disks though. I can't stand the way DVD and Bluray are mastered with the forced ads, menus, restrictions, etc. Everything I own is ripped and lives on a server. I use an HTPC for playback and use it for scaling to my 2.40 aspect ratio screen. I have to down-rez if the content is 16:9 so I'd benefit with a 4k projector since native display resolution would exceed any source I have.
Content matters more to me than the latest and greatest whiz bang tech.
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Post by yves on Sept 18, 2016 14:23:51 GMT -5
Planning to go for a new 55″ LED TV, and, because my preferred viewing distance for that is 10′ there is no real hurry for me to move to 4K resolution. I can't make out the pixels on my current old 42″ 1080p LCD TV (which I use as a PC monitor) until I go sit within 7′ viewing distance.
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Post by LCSeminole on Sept 18, 2016 16:36:31 GMT -5
I'm still too enamored with my Panasonic plasma to migrate. The color fidelity, off axis viewing and black levels have ruined me. I'm certain my next panel will be UHD but hoping that's years from now. My thoughts exactly. |
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Post by garbulky on Sept 18, 2016 16:41:08 GMT -5
Planning to go for a new 55″ LED TV, and, because my preferred viewing distance for that is 10′ there is no real hurry for me to move to 4K resolution. I can't make out the pixels on my current old 42″ 1080p LCD TV (which I use as a PC monitor) until I go sit within 7′ viewing distance. Oh I can help you with that. I sit about 6' to 8'. I've used 32, 40 and 50 inch machines. 50 inch is defintiely nice, but truth be told you can go up to 65 inches. But at that size, 4k does make a differnece. if I had the funds I would have gone for a nice 4k Vizio. The prices are pretty good on them. A nice 65 inch is about $1100 ish - good value imo |
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Post by simpleman68 on Sept 18, 2016 16:49:34 GMT -5
After watching several demos in a Magnolia theater I am not really in a hurry to drop huge loads of cash on either a 4K television or a 4K bluray plater. I really enjoy my Panasonic plasma televisions and to me they still look fantastic with 1080P programming. My wife and kids don't even care to listen through surround sound most times and movie night rarely happen here. I am usually watching movies alone late at night in a pitch black basement theater so the bluray and plasma set up is doing a good enough job for me Tim I honestly think if i didnt have 130" screen I wouldnt be enthralled with 4k either...but in a HT on that size its absolutely stunning! Exactly. There would be little reason for me to upgrade if I was working with less than 80" screen. Maybe even less than 100" depending on viewing distance. One thing I do like is that the Sammy will upscale 1080 and it looks pretty good; at least on my rig. Of course the other half of this equation is the monitor/projector of choice. I'd still like to do a side by side shoot out between the JVC e-shift 3 or 4 and the Sonys. I found a great deal on a 350 ES 4K from Sony and snagged that 2 weeks ago. The contrast is ridiculous with good 4K discs and this unit isn't even HDR ready. Scott |
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Post by yves on Sept 18, 2016 17:45:21 GMT -5
Planning to go for a new 55″ LED TV, and, because my preferred viewing distance for that is 10′ there is no real hurry for me to move to 4K resolution. I can't make out the pixels on my current old 42″ 1080p LCD TV (which I use as a PC monitor) until I go sit within 7′ viewing distance. Oh I can help you with that. I sit about 6' to 8'. I've used 32, 40 and 50 inch machines. 50 inch is defintiely nice, but truth be told you can go up to 65 inches. But at that size, 4k does make a differnece. if I had the funds I would have gone for a nice 4k Vizio. The prices are pretty good on them. A nice 65 inch is about $1100 ish - good value imo I know I can go up to 65″ in my room, but in order for that to work for me the TV would have to be placed at 12′ viewing distance instead of only 10′. I would buy the new 2016 P-series Vizio in a heartbeat, and I want a good tuner-free non smart non 3D and-no-useless-paraphernalia panel more than anything in the world right now, but Vizio are not available in Europe so I guess this means I am SOL (Sh!t Out of Luck). |
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Post by audiosyndrome on Sept 18, 2016 17:45:34 GMT -5
I find Blue-Ray sound to be much better than that of DVD. As far as picture differences go, I think the size of the screen combined with the viewing distance from the screen are very important for comparison purposes. A very large screen at an appropriate viewing distance will certainly show 4K to be much better than DVD or 1080P, IMO.
Russ
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Post by TempTag on Sept 18, 2016 18:28:15 GMT -5
I am more interested in UHD streaming content then discs. As I have added my Bluray library to UV I find the improvement in Blu-ray Disc quality is not worth the trouble of finding and using the Bluray copy - streaming is just too convenient. I tend to use actual Bluray discs only for 3D movies these days and it would be hard to move back to discs even with improved UHD quality.
As for when I do move to UHD, I think HD bluray and HD digital content is good enough I don't see me upgrading much of the content I already own to UHD. Whereas, when I moved from DVD to Bluray, the difference was well worth upgrading a lot of content. (I may feel differently when I see HDR - TBD.)
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Post by bootman on Sept 18, 2016 21:20:15 GMT -5
Already have one and I can see a difference even on a 55" 4k which I consider small. This is a silly argument.  Let's really just say do I care about video as much as I do audio? Because if we apply the just good enough argument to audio we would all have cheap AVRs vs XMCs. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Sept 18, 2016 21:45:29 GMT -5
I am more interested in UHD streaming content then discs. At 60 to 100 GB's each movie I don't have the patience to wait for the upload at around 100 mbps, which means ~3 hours for a ~2 hour UHD movie at 60 fps with Atmos/DTS-X. Nor would my current data plan accommodate more than ~2 movies a month. Streaming is dreaming Cheers Gary |
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Post by KeithL on Sept 18, 2016 23:04:25 GMT -5
I guess it depends on what you watch. I went from a 27" HD screen to a 50" 4k screen - and the difference in sharpness is pretty obvious. (My normal viewing distance is 6-8 feet.) Of course, it depends on your content...... I find Blue-Ray sound to be much better than that of DVD. As far as picture differences go, I think the size of the screen combined with the viewing distance from the screen are very important for comparison purposes. A very large screen at an appropriate viewing distance will certainly show 4K to be much better than DVD or 1080P, IMO. Russ |
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Post by KeithL on Sept 18, 2016 23:12:28 GMT -5
Some of the 4k streaming content looks quite good.... However, I think a lot of you are forgetting one important aspect of discs - you actually get to OWN them. Have you noticed how even many CDs and DVDs become hard to find in five or ten years? How certain are you that, when you feel nostalgic for that movie in ten years or so, your streaming service will still have it? I don't know about you, but there are some movies that I want to have available for whenever I want to watch them. And, on a more sinister note.... consider this. My cable company will let me "rest or own" on-demand movies. However, nobody bothers to mention that, unlike a disc, if I decide to change cable companies, all those movies I "own" will dissappear. (I'm sorry but, back when I was raised, things you owned didn't magically disappear.) I am more interested in UHD streaming content then discs. As I have added my Bluray library to UV I find the improvement in Blu-ray Disc quality is not worth the trouble of finding and using the Bluray copy - streaming is just too convenient. I tend to use actual Bluray discs only for 3D movies these days and it would be hard to move back to discs even with improved UHD quality. As for when I do move to UHD, I think HD bluray and HD digital content is good enough I don't see me upgrading much of the content I already own to UHD. Whereas, when I moved from DVD to Bluray, the difference was well worth upgrading a lot of content. (I may feel differently when I see HDR - TBD.) |
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Post by adaboy on Sept 18, 2016 23:34:12 GMT -5
I guess it depends on what you watch. I went from a 27" HD screen to a 50" 4k screen - and the difference in sharpness is pretty obvious. (My normal viewing distance is 6-8 feet.) Of course, it depends on your content...... I find Blue-Ray sound to be much better than that of DVD. As far as picture differences go, I think the size of the screen combined with the viewing distance from the screen are very important for comparison purposes. A very large screen at an appropriate viewing distance will certainly show 4K to be much better than DVD or 1080P, IMO. Russ You had a 27" screen Keith? WTH dude, that surprised me! |
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Post by novisnick on Sept 19, 2016 0:49:23 GMT -5
Some of the 4k streaming content looks quite good.... However, I think a lot of you are forgetting one important aspect of discs - you actually get to OWN them. Have you noticed how even many CDs and DVDs become hard to find in five or ten years? How certain are you that, when you feel nostalgic for that movie in ten years or so, your streaming service will still have it? I don't know about you, but there are some movies that I want to have available for whenever I want to watch them. And, on a more sinister note.... consider this. My cable company will let me "rest or own" on-demand movies. However, nobody bothers to mention that, unlike a disc, if I decide to change cable companies, all those movies I "own" will dissappear. (I'm sorry but, back when I was raised, things you owned didn't magically disappear.) I am more interested in UHD streaming content then discs. As I have added my Bluray library to UV I find the improvement in Blu-ray Disc quality is not worth the trouble of finding and using the Bluray copy - streaming is just too convenient. I tend to use actual Bluray discs only for 3D movies these days and it would be hard to move back to discs even with improved UHD quality. As for when I do move to UHD, I think HD bluray and HD digital content is good enough I don't see me upgrading much of the content I already own to UHD. Whereas, when I moved from DVD to Bluray, the difference was well worth upgrading a lot of content. (I may feel differently when I see HDR - TBD.) +++111 |
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Post by dcg44s on Sept 19, 2016 0:52:56 GMT -5
Some of the 4k streaming content looks quite good.... However, I think a lot of you are forgetting one important aspect of discs - you actually get to OWN them. Have you noticed how even many CDs and DVDs become hard to find in five or ten years? How certain are you that, when you feel nostalgic for that movie in ten years or so, your streaming service will still have it? I don't know about you, but there are some movies that I want to have available for whenever I want to watch them. And, on a more sinister note.... consider this. My cable company will let me "rest or own" on-demand movies. However, nobody bothers to mention that, unlike a disc, if I decide to change cable companies, all those movies I "own" will dissappear. (I'm sorry but, back when I was raised, things you owned didn't magically disappear.) I am more interested in UHD streaming content then discs. As I have added my Bluray library to UV I find the improvement in Blu-ray Disc quality is not worth the trouble of finding and using the Bluray copy - streaming is just too convenient. I tend to use actual Bluray discs only for 3D movies these days and it would be hard to move back to discs even with improved UHD quality. As for when I do move to UHD, I think HD bluray and HD digital content is good enough I don't see me upgrading much of the content I already own to UHD. Whereas, when I moved from DVD to Bluray, the difference was well worth upgrading a lot of content. (I may feel differently when I see HDR - TBD.) Absofrickinlutely! |
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Post by KeithL on Sept 19, 2016 8:51:08 GMT -5
In the last apartment I had, which was pretty small, I had a 37" Vizio in my living room, and several smaller computer monitors. (Up until last year I would have expected any decent computer monitor to be sharper than "a regular TV".) My new 50" 4k Samsung is actually much sharper than the 37" HD set.... and at least as sharp as the HD computer monitors. (And, yes, the living room in my house is pretty small too, and a 50" is about the biggest TV that works well in it.) I hear a lot of people comparing the sharpness of big screens..... When, in reality, it's the sharpness of SMALL screens that's the benchmark to beat. The fact that my 50" Samsung is as sharp as what was considered to be a GOOD HD computer monitor five years ago is IMPRESSIVE. And, no, I haven't seen ANY HD TV of similar size that looks as sharp with HD content as this thing looks with 4k content - so you really can see the difference. As far as I'm concerned, 4k content, when properly done, is clearly and obviously superior.... you notice it especially on outdoor scenes with grass or tree branches. (I saw The Revenant on 4k disc, and the nature shots were absolutely stunning... and far beyond anything even HD can deliver.) I guess it depends on what you watch. I went from a 27" HD screen to a 50" 4k screen - and the difference in sharpness is pretty obvious. (My normal viewing distance is 6-8 feet.) Of course, it depends on your content...... You had a 27" screen Keith? WTH dude, that surprised me! |
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Post by TempTag on Sept 19, 2016 12:02:43 GMT -5
What happens to the digital copy if the company goes under or changes policy is a risk. (I won't be surprised if one day I am offered a pennies-on-the-dollar class action settlement because some digital streamer did something worth a lawsuit.) The inability to sell a digital copy is a limitation as well.
But digital is far more convenient than discs - especially when browsing what to watch. So what do I do?
- I avoid iTunes for video as playback is limited to Apple devices.
- I avoid buying any movies from cable/satellite data providers as it is unclear what happens to my collection if I am no longer a data customer.
- I try to limit the vendor risk by (mostly) using Ultraviolet (UV) as a clearinghouse for ownership as multiple vendors support UV. If something happens to Vudu (my preferred UV vendor) then my UV linked videos are still available for use with other UV vendors. (Though my collection probably has about 10% non-UV Vudu specific content which I would lose if Vudu went under.)
- As Vudu is owned by Walmart, and works on many different hardware devices, my risk is low that Vudu will go under. (The risk is higher that Vudu or UV will change policy to make the overall service less attractive.)
- I also limit my risk by (mostly) buying new movies as Blu-ray Discs and using the digital UV codes so that I still have a hard copy backup if needed. (But outside of 3D, I almost never use this hard copy, so it is somewhat wasteful and takes up space.)
- I have not decided if I will follow the same steps with UHD discs but with MOST current UHD discs this is not possible as the UHD disc includes rights to "only" an HD digital copy and NOT a UHD digital copy.
In fact if you want a UHD disc, a 3D disc (where available), and a UHD digital copy, you have to make 3 separate purchases - which feels kind of like a scam. Because of the UHD digital rights omission, there is little reason for me to purchase most UHD discs now.
The lone exception I have seen recently is the UHD disc copy of Angry Birds which includes a UHD disc, a 3D Bluray, an HD Bluray, AND includes the rights to a UHD digital copy. (UV allows playback and download of lower resolution copies so a UHD digital copy covers HD and SD as well.) This all-in-one model is the one I hope becomes the UHD standard and Angry Birds was my first UHD purchase. (AB is not such a great movie, but my kids like it, and the multiple physical/digital copies for one price is pretty good value.)
I will probably purchase more UHD titles that include a UHD digital copy to future proof my current purchases.
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Post by novisnick on Sept 19, 2016 12:23:32 GMT -5
What happens to the digital copy if the company goes under or changes policy is a risk. (I won't be surprised if one day I am offered a pennies-on-the-dollar class action settlement because some digital streamer did something worth a lawsuit.) The inability to sell a digital copy is a limitation as well. But digital is far more convenient than discs - especially when browsing what to watch. So what do I do? - I avoid iTunes for video as playback is limited to Apple devices. - I avoid buying any movies from cable/satellite data providers as it is unclear what happens to my collection if I am no longer a data customer. - I try to limit the vendor risk by (mostly) using Ultraviolet (UV) as a clearinghouse for ownership as multiple vendors support UV. If something happens to Vudu (my preferred UV vendor) then my UV linked videos are still available for use with other UV vendors. (Though my collection probably has about 10% non-UV Vudu specific content which I would lose if Vudu went under.) - As Vudu is owned by Walmart, and works on many different hardware devices, my risk is low that UV will go under. (The risk is higher that Vudu or UV will change policy to make the overall service less attractive.) - I also limit my risk by (mostly) buying new movies as Blu-ray Discs and using the digital UV codes so that I still have a hard copy backup if needed. (But outside of 3D, I almost never use this hard copy, so it is somewhat wasteful and takes up space.) - I have not decided if I will follow the same steps with UHD discs but with MOST current UHD discs this is not possible as the UHD disc includes rights to "only" an HD copy and NOT a UHD digital copy. In fact if you want a UHD disc, a 3D disc (where available), and a UHD digital copy, one has to make 3 separate purchases - which feels kind of like a scam. Because of the UHD digital rights omission, the is little reason for me to purchase UHD discs now. The lone exception I have seen recently is the UHD copy of Angry Birds which includes a UHD disc, a 3D Bluray, an HD Bluray, AND includes the rights to a UHD digital copy. (UV allows playback and download of lower resolution copies so a UHD digital copy covers HD and SD as well.) This all-in-one model is the one I hope becomes the UHD standard and Angry Birds was my first UHD purchase. (AB is not such a great movie, but my kids like it, and the multiple copies is pretty good value.) I will probably purchase more UHD titles that include a UHD digital copy to future proof my current purchases. Of all on line storages, Ive gone with VUDU. Now, if I can just figure out how to share my account with friends and family I'd be set. |
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Post by TempTag on Sept 19, 2016 12:35:10 GMT -5
Sharing with friends and family is easy once you find the right place - hint:
- Sharing with other services is done with the service - so you use the Vudu site to share your account with another vendor like Disney or Ultraviolet.
- Sharing with friends and family is an Ultraviolet capability so you do it on on your UV management screen from the UV site - not Vudu.
- If you do not have a UV account create one in the UV site, and use Vudu to link to your UV account. All current UV capable entries will then appear in your UV site.
- Any friends or family who want to share your UV collection will also need UV accounts - that you can create in the UV site. They would also create Vudu accounts (so they can make their own purchases) or they can use another retail vendor who partners with UV - it does not have to be Vudu. Either way, they have to link their retail vendor account, Vudu or other, to a UV account that is shared with your UV account - that is how they see your videos. (It's complicated to write but makes sense when you see it in action and only has to be done once.)
UV sharing limitations:
- Only UV linked movies share with friends and family. (In Vudu, if you do not see the UV logo next to a movie in your Vudu information screen it will not share to UV friends and family as there is no UV entry.)
- For example, Disney movies on Vudu will not share with friends and family, as Disney does not do UV but does sell on Vudu and other retail vendors.
- However, Disney movies purchased on Vudu will share with a Disney account, and if that account is linked to iTunes, will also share to iTunes as Disney sells on iTunes, and the Disney account will link to both Vudu and iTunes at the same time - as well as with other vendors. Meaning, once you link the right accounts, if you buy a Disney movie in Vudu, it will appear in your iTunes list.
Because of linking I now have family members making purchase requests!
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Post by twism on Sept 19, 2016 22:49:18 GMT -5
I am all in as much as I can on 4K. While I do not have a true native 4K panel in my RS500, there have been a number of comparisons between the JVC and the higher end Sony 4k and in some instances the JVC is the sharper unit. What really sets it apart is WCG which the JVC can reach I think out to 98% P3. I have been watching quite a few 4K UHD via the UB900 into my Lumagen Pro which can strip the HDR so I get UHD BT2020 and its the best picture I have ever seen, plus there is the added benefit that you can get the object based audio on UHD, while sometimes the BR counterpart does not have it.
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