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Post by audiobill on Sept 21, 2016 10:20:08 GMT -5
I'm confused.........
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Post by novisnick on Sept 21, 2016 10:35:42 GMT -5
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Post by mgbpuff on Sept 21, 2016 10:46:27 GMT -5
I have always admired audio/video companies who offer value and inventiveness at prices that the the middle class can afford. Past and present companies that meant this to me and those which I have bought product were Dynaco, Heathkit, Audio Alchemy, Perpetual Technology, Music Hall, Glow Amps, Roku, AR. NHT. PS Audio, Olive (but no longer), Camelot, Peachtree Audio, Zu, Melody, and Carver. Emotiva is the newest addition to this type of company and I have many Emo products. But entry end basic products will not interest me at this stage so I am hoping for, crossing fingers for, and gently (I hope) prodding for reference line type products from Emotiva that I can afford. Emo is not so originally inventive in nature but does do a good job in manufacturing a solid well engineered if more traditional product. I would like to see more inventiveness if possible.
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Post by jlafrenz on Sept 21, 2016 11:28:19 GMT -5
Lately it does seem as though some of the product releases are not as geared towards high end and some of the historical products Emotiva has released. The market demand is one thing we are all aware of. The other factor is that Emotiva is still a small company and has significantly increased it's product offerings since the beginning. This takes a lot of man power and it seems like products are getting released when they can. Right now the trend tends to be more towards the masses vs. the performance crowd. I can't say for certain, but I would tend to think that Emotiva will have replacements for more of their flagship components. It will just take time to bring all the products to market.
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Post by monkumonku on Sept 21, 2016 11:53:45 GMT -5
I think Emo's product line expansion is designed to generate more revenues and profits by capturing a larger segment of the market than with their previous more limited offerings.
It would make sense to go with what is expected to be the most popular stuff first, which will generate the cash flow needed to fund the niche products, i.e., the "high end" stuff, whatever that means. And I do mean "whatever that means" because you lock all the people in the Lounge up for a day and at the end of it there's not going to be agreement on what "high end" really means. But there may be some good knock down drag out brawls in the meantime.
Even if there's general consensus on "high end" trying to translate general consensus to specific products is no easy task.
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Post by Lonnie on Sept 21, 2016 12:05:00 GMT -5
Just a thought here, but please see my post on the previous page.  Lonnie |
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Post by dxtreme on Sept 21, 2016 12:06:31 GMT -5
I think Emo's product line expansion is designed to generate more revenues and profits by capturing a larger segment of the market than with their previous more limited offerings. It would make sense to go with what is expected to be the most popular stuff first, which will generate the cash flow needed to fund the niche products, i.e., the "high end" stuff, whatever that means. Agreed! |
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Post by Hair Nick on Sept 21, 2016 12:13:10 GMT -5
People will always speculate because they don't know what is going on behind the scenes so they make up their own stories to justify their gut feelings. The problem with this is speculation by definition is simply to form a theory without any facts or evidence. The truth though is simply this. A lot of the things listed we have openly said we are working on replacements for and others we haven't openly discussed but to be honest we are working on behind the scenes. I'm just not at liberty to discuss at this point and time (this stems from past experience when we announce things to early on in the process). To better understand who Emotiva is and what we do, I believe a little information is needed. The first thing you should know is most of the high end companies out there consist of 3 or 4 guys, no engineering and no manufacturing. Most of them hire an OEM to do the design and manufacturing for them and they simply move the boxes and answer the phones. For the majority of these high end companies if they were to sell 100pcs of a particular model in a year that would be considered a banner year. I say these things from first hand knowledge because I know the people involved very well and are friends with them. In comparison, we do the vast majority of our engineering and manufacturing in house because we are a technology driven company. To say that we are four to six times the size of most of the high end guys is not an exaggeration. Thus we have considerably more overhead which in tern means we need to move considerably more volume. So its simply a matter of business. To design and build the high end toys (which we know will only move in limited quantities) we need to also build gear that will move in large quantities. But even at that we are still a small company when you look at Sony, Pioneer, Denon/ Marantz. All of which are at least 100 times larger then us. So we have to use our engineering resources wisely and split up the various projects into bite size pieces so that all the projects continue to move forward. While it might take us a little longer to get something out the door the bottom line is its done right and something we all take pride in. So there you go. Are we building gear for the masses, yes. Why, because everyone should have a good system and from a selfish stand point, we need to generate revenue to keep the lights on. Have we abandoned the high end market, absolutely not. For example, the differential mono block module for the Gen 3 amps will be released soon as will a stereo module. There is a new high end pre-amp in the works as well as a new DC-1, XDA and oh yes, lets not forget the reference processor which will be shown for the first time at CES. So let them speculate and spread rumors all they want. The true path will always present itself when the time is right. Lonnie |
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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 21, 2016 14:47:14 GMT -5
Hi, Lonnie, Keith, & Nick -
Thanks for your feedback. It's appreciated, but not really necessary. The Loungers who have been here (and probably even the Newbies who just wandered in) understand that corporate direction is never explicit, and we appreciate why.
So yes, I (and others) have fun speculating in the absence of facts, but it's like counting angels on the head of a pin and ultimately means nothing.
Regardless of what we Loungers might conclude, it's understood that the Emotiva company will bring out the products you think will sell and at a time that you consider appropriate. If you'd rather not have such idle speculation on the Lounge, then say so & I'll be happy to quit. I considered it both harmless and fun, but if you disagree, feel free to PM me and I'll respect your wishes.
In the meantime, I'm very happy to hear that Emotiva will continue to develop & offer ultimate-fi products at affordable prices. That's why I liked youse guys in the first place!
Cordially - Boomzilla
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Post by yves on Sept 21, 2016 15:08:16 GMT -5
So yes, I (and others) have fun speculating in the absence of facts, but it's like counting angels on the head of a pin and ultimately means nothing. The moment when people would stop speculating about Emotiva, that's when I would start worrying about Emotiva.  |
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Post by KeithL on Sept 21, 2016 15:08:59 GMT -5
Boom..... I think it's fair to say that we have nothing against idle speculation... when it's done in fun... The problem is that, unlike yourself, some people seem to take it much too seriously... And, after a while, to the uninitiated newcomer, that idle speculation starts to look confusingly like reality... So, let's leave it this way.... We have no problem with the wildest of possible speculation... (It's not like we're mad at you or anything  ).... But, when the speculation seems to be heading off in directions that are too far off in left field, it's quite possible that we'll step in and move it back towards reality by adding some of OUR perspective to the discussion. (And, no, that rumor that we haven't finished a new amp lately because we've been too busy designing a new doomsday weapon for the NSA isn't true either... really... we swear it isn't....  .) Hi, Lonnie, Keith, & Nick - Thanks for your feedback. It's appreciated, but not really necessary. The Loungers who have been here (and probably even the Newbies who just wandered in) understand that corporate direction is never explicit, and we appreciate why. So yes, I (and others) have fun speculating in the absence of facts, but it's like counting angels on the head of a pin and ultimately means nothing. Regardless of what we Loungers might conclude, it's understood that the Emotiva company will bring out the products you think will sell and at a time that you consider appropriate. If you'd rather not have such idle speculation on the Lounge, then say so & I'll be happy to quit. I considered it both harmless and fun, but if you disagree, feel to PM me and I'll respect your wishes. In the meantime, I'm very happy to hear that Emotiva will continue to develop & offer ultimate-fi products at affordable prices. That's why I liked youse guys in the first place! Cordially - Boomzilla |
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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 21, 2016 15:14:05 GMT -5
In that case, I'm speculating that Big Dan comes to work in a red lace corset! (now get that image out of your head)! LOL  |
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 21, 2016 15:32:57 GMT -5
In that case, I'm speculating that Big Dan comes to work in a red lace corset! (now get that image out of your head)! LOL No worse than Keith in a Speedo.  |
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Post by dmraupp on Sept 21, 2016 15:35:59 GMT -5
A couple of simple questions, what's the most recent "high end" product Emotiva has released? How many "not so high end" products has Emotiva released since they released a "high end" product? IMHO "abandoning" is a bit strong, perhaps it's more like "temporarily leaving", the question is how temporary? Cheers Gary The XMC-1. It put everyone else to shame. Where have you guys been ? Who did it put to shame?Did you even hear one,I do not see one in your sig? |
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Post by Lonnie on Sept 21, 2016 15:38:46 GMT -5
Now there is a couple of images I would have rather not thought of. Thanks guys Lonnie |
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Post by Hair Nick on Sept 21, 2016 15:50:39 GMT -5
In that case, I'm speculating that Big Dan comes to work in a red lace corset! (now get that image out of your head)! LOL  |
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Post by Gary Cook on Sept 21, 2016 15:59:08 GMT -5
It's one of the great things about Emotiva, when we get off track Dan, Lonnie, Nick and others will jump in and give us some truth. So who's going to start a speculation thread on the new differential mono block module for the XPA Gen 3? Cheers Gary |
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Post by klinemj on Sept 21, 2016 16:37:48 GMT -5
I heard they are hiring boomzilla to replace Lonnie,and instead of new gear, they will rebuild old Heathkit's and Sears gear.
Mark
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 21, 2016 16:42:45 GMT -5
I heard they are hiring boomzilla to replace Lonnie,and instead of new gear, they will rebuild old Heathkit's and Sears gear. Mark Well crap, we'll never get anything then. Boom will be too busy posting 50 new daily threads trying to answer every audio question ever conceived. No thank you! |
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Post by monkumonku on Sept 21, 2016 16:47:10 GMT -5
I heard they are hiring boomzilla to replace Lonnie,and instead of new gear, they will rebuild old Heathkit's and Sears gear. Mark Yes, but HIGH END Heathkits and Sears gear. |
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