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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 25, 2016 8:24:39 GMT -5
And all this is the exact reason I abandoned vinyl in the first place. I don't argue with its excellent sound - only with the endless trivia, fuss, and bother that goes along with using it.
Does the record need cleaning? (goes without saying - this answer is ALWAYS yes)
Does it just need a brushing or a full douche? (most of the time, the latter)
Can I just run it through the record cleaner & play? (well, I could if the cleaner didn't need its fluid changed & brushes replaced)
Is the turntable mat the right one for this record? (of course not - put the other mat on)
Is the new turntable mat the same height as the other? (never - Now I have to reset the vertical tracking angle again)
Has the change in tone-arm height affected the stylus pressure? (but of course - get out the weights & rebalance the tone arm)
Is the anti-skate affected? (you bet your bippy - readjust for proper anti-skate)
Start the platter - (wait, the record weight has affected the platter speed - adjust the motor to compensate)
Check the stylus - (is that a FUZZBALL? WTF? I just cleaned the stylus! - do it again)
Play the record - (wait - why don't I have any sound? Oh - the moving coil pre-preamp isn't turned on - fire it up & let it warm up)
Why don't I have any right channel sound? (that pesky microscopic connector clip on the cartridge pin has come loose again (or the hair-thin wire has broken) - Repair the thing after putting in your jeweler's loupe)
Why is the sound sucky? (oh - I cleaned the wrong side of the record - DAMN!)
Why do I hear all this clicking & popping? (Is this the thrift shop pressing of this record or the good one? The former? DAMN - Where did I put the good copy?)
And so on - and so on - and so on...
Yes, the sound is fine. Yes, I've exaggerated the tedium (but not by much). And yes, it can sound better than red-book CD quality audio. BUT is it worth it? THAT's the big question. You'll have to answer the question yourselves, but for me the answer isn't just "no," but HELL, NO!
YMMV
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Post by vneal on Sept 25, 2016 8:43:07 GMT -5
I eagerly wait the offerings. I am not with the majority here in that I am 90% two channel audio and 10% video. I want the state of the art for both worlds. For me I want a processor that does both AV better than others for $1000-$1500 and mono amps for the front channels that pump out 500 watts all looking like Emotivas discontinued Reference series. A pipe dream ? Probably but I am willing to wait -8 months before my next upgrade on the processor and mono front amps. I have a feeling Emotiva has something cooking
And my God would someone make a decent streamer at a price point of $1500? To me the only one worth a sh** is the Aurender but it costs damn near as much as my speakers.
And to the Boom above I agree that turntables are a pain in the ass but I still like fiddling around with them. I feel I am regressing backwards I see a tubed headphone amp that sounds pretty good and am thinking of all tubes for a second system
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Post by adaboy on Sept 25, 2016 9:32:29 GMT -5
And all this is the exact reason I abandoned vinyl in the first place. I don't argue with its excellent sound - only with the endless trivia, fuss, and bother that goes along with using it. Does the record need cleaning? (goes without saying - this answer is ALWAYS yes) Does it just need a brushing or a full douche? (most of the time, the latter) Can I just run it through the record cleaner & play? (well, I could if the cleaner didn't need its fluid changed & brushes replaced) Is the turntable mat the right one for this record? (of course not - put the other mat on) Is the new turntable mat the same height as the other? (never - Now I have to reset the vertical tracking angle again) Has the change in tone-arm height affected the stylus pressure? (but of course - get out the weights & rebalance the tone arm) Is the anti-skate affected? (you bet your bippy - readjust for proper anti-skate) Start the platter - (wait, the record weight has affected the platter speed - adjust the motor to compensate) Check the stylus - (is that a FUZZBALL? WTF? I just cleaned the stylus! - do it again) Play the record - (wait - why don't I have any sound? Oh - the moving coil pre-preamp isn't turned on - fire it up & let it warm up) Why don't I have any right channel sound? (that pesky microscopic connector clip on the cartridge pin has come loose again (or the hair-thin wire has broken) - Repair the thing after putting in your jeweler's loupe) Why is the sound sucky? (oh - I cleaned the wrong side of the record - DAMN!) Why do I hear all this clicking & popping? (Is this the thrift shop pressing of this record or the good one? The former? DAMN - Where did I put the good copy?) And so on - and so on - and so on... Yes, the sound is fine. Yes, I've exaggerated the tedium (but not by much). And yes, it can sound better than red-book CD quality audio. BUT is it worth it? THAT's the big question. You'll have to answer the question yourselves, but for me the answer isn't just "no," but HELL, NO! YMMV Lol Boom you remind me of the other part of vinyl I like amd enjoy. Maybe if I grew up with it I wouldn't be so into it now but much more fun as a hobby 😊 |
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Post by tchaik on Sept 25, 2016 10:15:46 GMT -5
And all this is the exact reason I abandoned vinyl in the first place. I don't argue with its excellent sound - only with the endless trivia, fuss, and bother that goes along with using it. Does the record need cleaning? (goes without saying - this answer is ALWAYS yes) Does it just need a brushing or a full douche? (most of the time, the latter) Can I just run it through the record cleaner & play? (well, I could if the cleaner didn't need its fluid changed & brushes replaced) Is the turntable mat the right one for this record? (of course not - put the other mat on) Is the new turntable mat the same height as the other? (never - Now I have to reset the vertical tracking angle again) Has the change in tone-arm height affected the stylus pressure? (but of course - get out the weights & rebalance the tone arm) Is the anti-skate affected? (you bet your bippy - readjust for proper anti-skate) Start the platter - (wait, the record weight has affected the platter speed - adjust the motor to compensate) Check the stylus - (is that a FUZZBALL? WTF? I just cleaned the stylus! - do it again) Play the record - (wait - why don't I have any sound? Oh - the moving coil pre-preamp isn't turned on - fire it up & let it warm up) Why don't I have any right channel sound? (that pesky microscopic connector clip on the cartridge pin has come loose again (or the hair-thin wire has broken) - Repair the thing after putting in your jeweler's loupe) Why is the sound sucky? (oh - I cleaned the wrong side of the record - DAMN!) Why do I hear all this clicking & popping? (Is this the thrift shop pressing of this record or the good one? The former? DAMN - Where did I put the good copy?) And so on - and so on - and so on... Yes, the sound is fine. Yes, I've exaggerated the tedium (but not by much). And yes, it can sound better than red-book CD quality audio. BUT is it worth it? THAT's the big question. You'll have to answer the question yourselves, but for me the answer isn't just "no," but HELL, NO! YMMV a lot like foreplay…… sometimes the rewards for your effort are there. sometimes not.  tchaik……….. |
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Post by adaboy on Sept 25, 2016 10:24:31 GMT -5
And all this is the exact reason I abandoned vinyl in the first place. I don't argue with its excellent sound - only with the endless trivia, fuss, and bother that goes along with using it. Does the record need cleaning? (goes without saying - this answer is ALWAYS yes) Does it just need a brushing or a full douche? (most of the time, the latter) Can I just run it through the record cleaner & play? (well, I could if the cleaner didn't need its fluid changed & brushes replaced) Is the turntable mat the right one for this record? (of course not - put the other mat on) Is the new turntable mat the same height as the other? (never - Now I have to reset the vertical tracking angle again) Has the change in tone-arm height affected the stylus pressure? (but of course - get out the weights & rebalance the tone arm) Is the anti-skate affected? (you bet your bippy - readjust for proper anti-skate) Start the platter - (wait, the record weight has affected the platter speed - adjust the motor to compensate) Check the stylus - (is that a FUZZBALL? WTF? I just cleaned the stylus! - do it again) Play the record - (wait - why don't I have any sound? Oh - the moving coil pre-preamp isn't turned on - fire it up & let it warm up) Why don't I have any right channel sound? (that pesky microscopic connector clip on the cartridge pin has come loose again (or the hair-thin wire has broken) - Repair the thing after putting in your jeweler's loupe) Why is the sound sucky? (oh - I cleaned the wrong side of the record - DAMN!) Why do I hear all this clicking & popping? (Is this the thrift shop pressing of this record or the good one? The former? DAMN - Where did I put the good copy?) And so on - and so on - and so on... Yes, the sound is fine. Yes, I've exaggerated the tedium (but not by much). And yes, it can sound better than red-book CD quality audio. BUT is it worth it? THAT's the big question. You'll have to answer the question yourselves, but for me the answer isn't just "no," but HELL, NO! YMMV You know the more I thought about this the more it reminded me of RC Helicopters and Airplanes. From the process of grabbing all your gear and back-up gear, take it out to the airfield, set up your ground equipment, then set up your bird, pre checks, system checks, radio checks etc. Then wait your turn while still checking all for 5-8 mins of flight. If you have a gasser heli then much longer flight but not as snappy. Then after flight you do all the checks again, when done, tear down, packup, go home and unpack hahahah. I love RC Heli's tho so maybe that's why vinyl fits for me. I'm sure there are guys here into RC. |
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Post by novisnick on Sept 25, 2016 10:27:03 GMT -5
And all this is the exact reason I abandoned vinyl in the first place. I don't argue with its excellent sound - only with the endless trivia, fuss, and bother that goes along with using it. Does the record need cleaning? (goes without saying - this answer is ALWAYS yes) Does it just need a brushing or a full douche? (most of the time, the latter) Can I just run it through the record cleaner & play? (well, I could if the cleaner didn't need its fluid changed & brushes replaced) Is the turntable mat the right one for this record? (of course not - put the other mat on) Is the new turntable mat the same height as the other? (never - Now I have to reset the vertical tracking angle again) Has the change in tone-arm height affected the stylus pressure? (but of course - get out the weights & rebalance the tone arm) Is the anti-skate affected? (you bet your bippy - readjust for proper anti-skate) Start the platter - (wait, the record weight has affected the platter speed - adjust the motor to compensate) Check the stylus - (is that a FUZZBALL? WTF? I just cleaned the stylus! - do it again) Play the record - (wait - why don't I have any sound? Oh - the moving coil pre-preamp isn't turned on - fire it up & let it warm up) Why don't I have any right channel sound? (that pesky microscopic connector clip on the cartridge pin has come loose again (or the hair-thin wire has broken) - Repair the thing after putting in your jeweler's loupe) Why is the sound sucky? (oh - I cleaned the wrong side of the record - DAMN!) Why do I hear all this clicking & popping? (Is this the thrift shop pressing of this record or the good one? The former? DAMN - Where did I put the good copy?) And so on - and so on - and so on... Yes, the sound is fine. Yes, I've exaggerated the tedium (but not by much). And yes, it can sound better than red-book CD quality audio. BUT is it worth it? THAT's the big question. You'll have to answer the question yourselves, but for me the answer isn't just "no," but HELL, NO! YMMV Im calling BS!!! This in NO way resembles what I do to enjoy my vinyl!! Even as a joke, its BS!   |
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Post by ribbonking on Sept 25, 2016 10:30:43 GMT -5
I fall into the "No Vinyl" camp for the same reasons - its a pain in the ass and I don't want to be bothered. For those who love it, more power to you but it is not for me.
Speaking of RC airplanes, there is a club that flies battery powered planes in a park near my house where I walk most days. Those guys take that stuff very seriously. I made the mistake of asking about the planes once and they can go on for hours - just like audio guys.
Oh, and don't walk near their runway. They don't like that!!!
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Post by novisnick on Sept 25, 2016 10:36:23 GMT -5
And all this is the exact reason I abandoned vinyl in the first place. I don't argue with its excellent sound - only with the endless trivia, fuss, and bother that goes along with using it. Does the record need cleaning? (goes without saying - this answer is ALWAYS yes) Does it just need a brushing or a full douche? (most of the time, the latter) Can I just run it through the record cleaner & play? (well, I could if the cleaner didn't need its fluid changed & brushes replaced) Is the turntable mat the right one for this record? (of course not - put the other mat on) Is the new turntable mat the same height as the other? (never - Now I have to reset the vertical tracking angle again) Has the change in tone-arm height affected the stylus pressure? (but of course - get out the weights & rebalance the tone arm) Is the anti-skate affected? (you bet your bippy - readjust for proper anti-skate) Start the platter - (wait, the record weight has affected the platter speed - adjust the motor to compensate) Check the stylus - (is that a FUZZBALL? WTF? I just cleaned the stylus! - do it again) Play the record - (wait - why don't I have any sound? Oh - the moving coil pre-preamp isn't turned on - fire it up & let it warm up) Why don't I have any right channel sound? (that pesky microscopic connector clip on the cartridge pin has come loose again (or the hair-thin wire has broken) - Repair the thing after putting in your jeweler's loupe) Why is the sound sucky? (oh - I cleaned the wrong side of the record - DAMN!) Why do I hear all this clicking & popping? (Is this the thrift shop pressing of this record or the good one? The former? DAMN - Where did I put the good copy?) And so on - and so on - and so on... Yes, the sound is fine. Yes, I've exaggerated the tedium (but not by much). And yes, it can sound better than red-book CD quality audio. BUT is it worth it? THAT's the big question. You'll have to answer the question yourselves, but for me the answer isn't just "no," but HELL, NO! YMMV You know the more I thought about this the more it reminded me of RC Helicopters and Airplanes. From the process of grabbing all your gear and back-up gear, take it out to the airfield, set up your ground equipment, then set up your bird, pre checks, system checks, radio checks etc. Then wait your turn while still checking all for 5-8 mins of flight. If you have a gasser heli then much longer flight but not as snappy. Then after flight you do all the checks again, when done, tear down, packup, go home and unpack hahahah. I love RC Heli's tho so maybe that's why vinyl fits for me. I'm sure there are guys here into RC. Im not into RC but maybe thats why I love my Rega so very much, its pretty much set it and forget it. Not all that other BS. Drop the needle and enjoy. PERIOD |
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Post by adaboy on Sept 25, 2016 10:41:29 GMT -5
I fall into the "No Vinyl" camp for the same reasons - its a pain in the ass and I don't want to be bothered. For those who love it, more power to you but it is not for me. Speaking of RC airplanes, there is a club that flies battery powered planes in a park near my house where I walk most days. Those guys take that stuff very seriously. I made the mistake of asking about the planes once and they can go on for hours - just like audio guys.
Oh, and don't walk near their runway. They don't like that!!![/b] You are correct we RC pilots are worse than audio nuts so I get to be both. Some of those jet powered (real turbine engines) cost more than most of our audio systems here and they are also very dangerous. Never ever approach the runway without knowing the proper etiquette. LOL They are just as fun to fly as they are to watch. You should block out time to go get started flying at the field very rewarding and keeps your hand eye coordination sharper longer as you age. Thanks bud, and yes we can talk about this stuff for hours. hahahahah |
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Post by adaboy on Sept 25, 2016 10:43:41 GMT -5
You know the more I thought about this the more it reminded me of RC Helicopters and Airplanes. From the process of grabbing all your gear and back-up gear, take it out to the airfield, set up your ground equipment, then set up your bird, pre checks, system checks, radio checks etc. Then wait your turn while still checking all for 5-8 mins of flight. If you have a gasser heli then much longer flight but not as snappy. Then after flight you do all the checks again, when done, tear down, packup, go home and unpack hahahah. I love RC Heli's tho so maybe that's why vinyl fits for me. I'm sure there are guys here into RC. Im not into RC but maybe thats why I love my Rega so very much, its pretty much set it and forget it. Not all that other BS. Drop the needle and enjoy. PERIOD Yeah same here it was a bit of an exaggeration as Boom noted. Would be the equivalent of getting a new table and cartridge to set-up and new vinyl to wash every time you wanted to listen. hahahaha Must be nice to have that kind of money |
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Post by novisnick on Sept 25, 2016 10:50:41 GMT -5
Im not into RC but maybe thats why I love my Rega so very much, its pretty much set it and forget it. Not all that other BS. Drop the needle and enjoy. PERIOD Yeah same here it was a bit of an exaggeration as Boom noted. Would be the equivalent of getting a new table and cartridge to set-up and new vinyl to wash every time you wanted to listen. hahahaha Must be nice to have that kind of money I enjoyed my vinyl session so much last night that im wondering why its not spinning at this moment!  |
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Post by adaboy on Sept 25, 2016 11:05:48 GMT -5
Yeah same here it was a bit of an exaggeration as Boom noted. Would be the equivalent of getting a new table and cartridge to set-up and new vinyl to wash every time you wanted to listen. hahahaha Must be nice to have that kind of money I enjoyed my vinyl session so much last night that im wondering why its not spinning at this moment! You know you're tired when you responded on in your mind lol. Go ahead spin it again for old time sakes. |
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Post by yves on Sept 25, 2016 11:11:07 GMT -5
And all this is the exact reason I abandoned vinyl in the first place. I don't argue with its excellent sound - only with the endless trivia, fuss, and bother that goes along with using it. Does the record need cleaning? (goes without saying - this answer is ALWAYS yes) Does it just need a brushing or a full douche? (most of the time, the latter) Can I just run it through the record cleaner & play? (well, I could if the cleaner didn't need its fluid changed & brushes replaced) Is the turntable mat the right one for this record? (of course not - put the other mat on) Is the new turntable mat the same height as the other? (never - Now I have to reset the vertical tracking angle again) Has the change in tone-arm height affected the stylus pressure? (but of course - get out the weights & rebalance the tone arm) Is the anti-skate affected? (you bet your bippy - readjust for proper anti-skate) Start the platter - (wait, the record weight has affected the platter speed - adjust the motor to compensate) Check the stylus - (is that a FUZZBALL? WTF? I just cleaned the stylus! - do it again) Play the record - (wait - why don't I have any sound? Oh - the moving coil pre-preamp isn't turned on - fire it up & let it warm up) Why don't I have any right channel sound? (that pesky microscopic connector clip on the cartridge pin has come loose again (or the hair-thin wire has broken) - Repair the thing after putting in your jeweler's loupe) Why is the sound sucky? (oh - I cleaned the wrong side of the record - DAMN!) Why do I hear all this clicking & popping? (Is this the thrift shop pressing of this record or the good one? The former? DAMN - Where did I put the good copy?) And so on - and so on - and so on... Yes, the sound is fine. Yes, I've exaggerated the tedium (but not by much). And yes, it can sound better than red-book CD quality audio. BUT is it worth it? THAT's the big question. You'll have to answer the question yourselves, but for me the answer isn't just "no," but HELL, NO! YMMV For me, the big answer is in the "YMMV". I could elaborate on this, but unfortunately of course there's the endless trivia, fuss, and bother that goes along with elaborating. |
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Post by adaboy on Sept 25, 2016 11:20:50 GMT -5
And all this is the exact reason I abandoned vinyl in the first place. I don't argue with its excellent sound - only with the endless trivia, fuss, and bother that goes along with using it. Does the record need cleaning? (goes without saying - this answer is ALWAYS yes) Does it just need a brushing or a full douche? (most of the time, the latter) Can I just run it through the record cleaner & play? (well, I could if the cleaner didn't need its fluid changed & brushes replaced) Is the turntable mat the right one for this record? (of course not - put the other mat on) Is the new turntable mat the same height as the other? (never - Now I have to reset the vertical tracking angle again) Has the change in tone-arm height affected the stylus pressure? (but of course - get out the weights & rebalance the tone arm) Is the anti-skate affected? (you bet your bippy - readjust for proper anti-skate) Start the platter - (wait, the record weight has affected the platter speed - adjust the motor to compensate) Check the stylus - (is that a FUZZBALL? WTF? I just cleaned the stylus! - do it again) Play the record - (wait - why don't I have any sound? Oh - the moving coil pre-preamp isn't turned on - fire it up & let it warm up) Why don't I have any right channel sound? (that pesky microscopic connector clip on the cartridge pin has come loose again (or the hair-thin wire has broken) - Repair the thing after putting in your jeweler's loupe) Why is the sound sucky? (oh - I cleaned the wrong side of the record - DAMN!) Why do I hear all this clicking & popping? (Is this the thrift shop pressing of this record or the good one? The former? DAMN - Where did I put the good copy?) And so on - and so on - and so on... Yes, the sound is fine. Yes, I've exaggerated the tedium (but not by much). And yes, it can sound better than red-book CD quality audio. BUT is it worth it? THAT's the big question. You'll have to answer the question yourselves, but for me the answer isn't just "no," but HELL, NO! YMMV For me, the big answer is in the "YMMV". I could elaborate on this, but unfortunately of course there's the endless trivia, fuss, and bother that goes along with elaborating. Ah come on Yves, you have to elaborate. You can't tease and stop! |
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Post by Loop 7 on Sept 25, 2016 11:42:02 GMT -5
And all this is the exact reason I abandoned vinyl in the first place.  |
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Post by yves on Sept 25, 2016 11:49:37 GMT -5
For me, the big answer is in the "YMMV". I could elaborate on this, but unfortunately of course there's the endless trivia, fuss, and bother that goes along with elaborating. Ah come on Yves, you have to elaborate. You can't tease and stop!  |
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Post by HiFiThor on Jul 7, 2017 11:20:42 GMT -5
Yes, I'm a little confused too. I understand the whole profit and loss thing, businesses are in business to make money for the shareholders and I wouldn't really care what they were making and selling as long as the checks still came in on time. This is not a crusade it seemed to be at one time.
I bought the XSP-1 and XPA-1 both 2nd gen because I thought they were incredible value for the money. Fully differential amps built to almost military specifications. I heard a lot good stuff about the phono preamp as I wanted to use a turntable with this equipment. Watch ing their promotional video on the XSP-1 and they explained what the differences were between the gen 1 and gen 2 models I could see it. In the gen 2 they basically had to double the circuitry to provide a path for the negative side of the signal. Of course this added cost but they said it was worth it.
Now I see something different, look at the video on the Gen 3 equipment. They point out all the advances they have put in but no differential signal path. I guess it was important but not important enough. I feel like I am fortunate that I bought when I did. Their products are now settling in to be on par with other manufacturers such as Parasound. Actually Parasound still offers differential monoblocks and preamps as part of their line. I don't know how much longer Emotiva will offer the same. I would not be surprised to eventual visit their website and find it filled with cheap amps for the masses much like Bose, JBL, etc.
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Post by Boomzilla on Jul 7, 2017 12:12:49 GMT -5
As I understand your post, the measure of a "high-end component" was is whether or not it has balanced circuitry? A LOT of most excellent and accredited "high-end designers" including Misters Conrad and Johnson feel that there is NO advantage to balanced circuits FOR HOME AUDIO. I'm agnostic about it. YMMV
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Post by vneal on Jul 7, 2017 13:05:23 GMT -5
To the original question is Emotiva abandoning the high end? I think they were never high end . Mid end to upper mid end is where they live. It's a nice neighborhood.
I would consider the Emo XPR1s and the XMC-1. HIGH END
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Post by garbulky on Jul 7, 2017 13:34:00 GMT -5
Yes, I'm a little confused too. I understand the whole profit and loss thing, businesses are in business to make money for the shareholders and I wouldn't really care what they were making and selling as long as the checks still came in on time. This is not a crusade it seemed to be at one time. I bought the XSP-1 and XPA-1 both 2nd gen because I thought they were incredible value for the money. Fully differential amps built to almost military specifications. I heard a lot good stuff about the phono preamp as I wanted to use a turntable with this equipment. Watch ing their promotional video on the XSP-1 and they explained what the differences were between the gen 1 and gen 2 models I could see it. In the gen 2 they basically had to double the circuitry to provide a path for the negative side of the signal. Of course this added cost but they said it was worth it. Now I see something different, look at the video on the Gen 3 equipment. They point out all the advances they have put in but no differential signal path. I guess it was important but not important enough. I feel like I am fortunate that I bought when I did. Their products are now settling in to be on par with other manufacturers such as Parasound. Actually Parasound still offers differential monoblocks and preamps as part of their line. I don't know how much longer Emotiva will offer the same. I would not be surprised to eventual visit their website and find it filled with cheap amps for the masses much like Bose, JBL, etc. Something tells me they have too much pride for that! Their current selection isn't knocking me out. But there are a few standouts. First the xpa 1 gen 2 is still offered. Yes! And so is the dc1. Now true these are their older stuff which isn't really part of the new lineup The a100 amp as a headphone amp is all kinds of silly nuts. What a knockout! True old school Emotiva going overboard In a good way style. Also their bas x subs are really quite nice. I'm also hoping their t1 and 2 are also leaders. But I agree I wouldn't mind more emphasis on their old school big iron class a fully balanced with torroids approach. |
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