Emotiva IS NOT abandoning the high end.

[teaman]

I would say to take the A-100 in stride Gar, that mini amp has been around in several iterations since the inception way back when by Sherbourn. I think they have made some nice improvements to it but overall it is a very basic piece. As for the XPA-1's I hope they never stop making them as I see them as possibly the best bang for the buck amps on the market.

I do however think Emotiva underestimated the brick and mortar selling structure. Already there have been several parting of ways between suppliers and Emo itself. I question the thought process of management and ownership at times that get waaay ahead of themselves spouting off about all of the new goodies coming down the pipeline yet never even come to production. Right now the Emotiva line up from top to bottom looks rather vague and entry level. We have been hearing about Emersa for a year now yet there is nothing. The BasX lines are a step back into the UPA-2-700 territory, nothing really new to see there. The newest offering being the 5175 goes into a bit of deception since Emotiva has almost always posted the power rating across all channels driven and now they are stepping into two channel power ratings in a five channel amp...not sure why. Had it been named the 5125 it would have aligned itself with past products and would have been easy to figure out. If I'm not mistaken I could swear I read recently a different THD rating as well. Instead of 20-20 at .1% it was posted as 20-20 at 1%....something like that. Again, a little deception in posting if you ask me.

For most of us that have indulged in Emotiva products over the years, I don't really see anything on their website that gets me excited. I hope I am wrong.

[klinemj]

Not sure what got this thread to be re-born, but...Emotiva re-vamped is X-series amp line with a new generation that combines elements of the old XPR line into the XPA line. That's bringing high end down to a better place for us. They promised the XMC-1 would be upgradable and have already delivered with more on the way. They have promised an even higher line pre-pro (RMC/whatever...) and it's clear they are making progress on it. They promised a new speaker line starting with the Airmotiv T1/et all and higher end to come...and it's coming. AND, they have totally revamped their lower end of the line.

So, what's to talk about at this point on whether or not they have "abandoned the high end"?

Mark

[LCSeminole]

I agree with Mark, with an RMC-1 and DC-1 replacment coming, the XPA Gen3 amps, as well as the XPA-1's that continue to be produced, I'd say Emotiva is still providing products that perform at a high level. I'd also say, they just happen to be highlighting their entry level offerings, and in a year or two many here will be clamoring that they're neglecting the lower line products when the mid and upper lines are being touted. Just a cycle in the manufacturing world is all.

[garbulky]

Jul 7, 2017 16:01:49 GMT -5 teaman said:

I would say to take the A-100 in stride Gar, that mini amp has been around in several iterations since the inception way back when by Sherbourn. I think they have made some nice improvements to it but overall it is a very basic piece. As for the XPA-1's I hope they never stop making them as I see them as possibly the best bang for the buck amps on the market.

I do however think Emotiva underestimated the brick and mortar selling structure. Already there have been several parting of ways between suppliers and Emo itself. I question the thought process of management and ownership at times that get waaay ahead of themselves spouting off about all of the new goodies coming down the pipeline yet never even come to production. Right now the Emotiva line up from top to bottom looks rather vague and entry level. We have been hearing about Emersa for a year now yet there is nothing. The BasX lines are a step back into the UPA-2-700 territory, nothing really new to see there. The newest offering being the 5175 goes into a bit of deception since Emotiva has almost always posted the power rating across all channels driven and now they are stepping into two channel power ratings in a five channel amp...not sure why. Had it been named the 5125 it would have aligned itself with past products and would have been easy to figure out. If I'm not mistaken I could swear I read recently a different THD rating as well. Instead of 20-20 at .1% it was posted as 20-20 at 1%....something like that. Again, a little deception in posting if you ask me.

For most of us that have indulged in Emotiva products over the years, I don't really see anything on their website that gets me excited. I hope I am wrong.

I understand where you are coming from. The naming thing doesn't bother me because they do list the actual power in the specs page, but I can see why it would look strange.

Oh but I gotta tell you. It's impossible to take the mini-x in stride. It just leapfrogs over the competition (as a headphone amp). I have heard the old Mini-x as well as the stereo flex amps and as speaker amps I thought they sounded just fine and appropriately placed in the Emotiva line up.
But as a headphone amp (with its resistors removed) - well, you just gotta hear it my friend! It makes no excuses for itself as it is a knockout!

[teaman]

I don't really see Emotiva abandoning the high end, or low end for that matter. I just think they are trying to do too much in too little time.

Remember when the UMC-200 was revealed there was a ton of talk about how this was the best bang for the buck processor...and then came the endless complaints about bugs, handshake issues, etc. Again, when the UMC-700 was released to hype of how it was surely the best buy for what it offered at the said price point....then endless posts about bugs, handshake issues, etc.....all over again. The XMC-1 seemed to be a definite cut above and at $1699 on sale it was deemed a great deal, now the same processor has jumped $800 or so, not really the same draw I would imagine. The hype around a $5k RMC-1 I think will leave a lot of people wondering if such an investment is worthy. By the time the RMC-1 is launched there may be something newer and better out there already, most likely from a mainstream manufacturer like Denon/Marantz or Onkyo/Integra, possibly Yamaha.

I just think Emotiva is losing focus of what they stand for and what they were built on. Bang for the buck = Emotiva...this should be their mission statement. I'm just not sure if Emotiva should even waste all this time trying to one up themselves with this all new SOTA processor. 8k or higher are just around the corner and technology is still growing by leaps and bounds. It never ends. I think Emotiva being nestled in the company of Cambridge, Parasound, NAD, etc is comfortable...then again I thought the B&M partners idea made little sense so maybe it is just me.

[Axis]

Jul 7, 2017 18:18:02 GMT -5 LCSeminole said:

I agree with Mark, with an RMC-1 and DC-1 replacment coming, the XPA Gen3 amps, as well as the XPA-1's that continue to be produced, I'd say Emotiva is still providing products that perform at a high level. I'd also say, they just happen to be highlighting their entry level offerings, and in a year or two many here will be clamoring that they're neglecting the lower line products when the mid and upper lines are being touted. Just a cycle in the manufacturing world is all.

I could not have said this better. They just finished there line of BasX gear that brings better performance than the old Ultra line according to Dan and many here. The preamps in the BasX gear include DAC's that were not offered with the Ultra line. You can build a whole system with preamps, amps, speakers and subs from the BasX line of products. That is big job all by itself. You can do the same with the X series with there XMC-1, XPA amps, Airmotiv speakers and subs. They are working hard on the RMC-1 and who knows what else to go with it. Don't forget the new Stealth gear and new Aimotiv powered monitors.

KeithL says they are still working on the Emersa line. I guess you have to just believe them on this.

What is it that everyone wants that they believe will perform better than there X series and soon to come RMC-1 ?

Does it need to cost a lot for you to think it is high end ?

[Gary Cook]

Risking complaints of narcissism here, but what's in the current range for me? BasX replaces Ultra which I've moved up from years ago. The XPA Gen 3 offers very little over my XPA-5 to attract me too it. The upgradability is useless, I'm not going to send an amp back to the US to get serviced. There is no XPA-1L replacemen/upgrade. The MC-700 is hardly an upgrade on my UMC-200. The ERC-3 continues as does the Egos. The XMC-1 isn't at a stage right now that it's worthwhile me looking at it, maybe after the full upgrades are completed. Then there is the big killer, prices have gone up 50% plus due to the bricks and mortar experiment which has already failed with one distributor.

"High end" is purely subjective, what interests most people is 'higher end" than what they have right now. With a compelling argument for existing customers to update/upgrade. That's what is missing for me, I see no reason to even visit the Emotiva web site, whereas it used to be a regular shopping site for what I needed/wanted next.

Cheers
Gary

[Axis]

Jul 9, 2017 16:39:19 GMT -5 Gary Cook said:

Risking complaints of narcissism here, but what's in the current range for me? BasX replaces Ultra which I've moved up from years ago. The XPA Gen 3 offers very little over my XPA-5 to attract me too it. The upgradability is useless, I'm not going to send an amp back to the US to get serviced. There is no XPA-1L replacemen/upgrade. The MC-700 is hardly an upgrade on my UMC-200. The ERC-3 continues as does the Egos. The XMC-1 isn't at a stage right now that it's worthwhile me looking at it, maybe after the full upgrades are completed. Then there is the big killer, prices have gone up 50% plus due to the bricks and mortar experiment which has already failed with one distributor.

"High end" is purely subjective, what interests most people is 'higher end" than what they have right now. With a compelling argument for existing customers to update/upgrade. That's what is missing for me, I see no reason to even visit the Emotiva web site, whereas it used to be a regular shopping site for what I needed/wanted next.

Cheers
Gary

What if Lonnie makes that huge monoblock with separate power supply he talked about ?

What if they come up with some new stereo amps that have big transformers and big class A ?

What if they make a preamp that does everything with cutting edge room correction ?

What if they make a DAC that betters all the rest out there ?

What if they make full range speakers that impresses the whole audio world ?

Give them time. They want that, we want that and if they can make enough money to do these things with products that most can afford then we all win. The whole premise that they should be making there best gear and selling them now for our pleasure no matter the cost to there company is wrong.

[teaman]

Jul 9, 2017 16:39:19 GMT -5 Gary Cook said:

Risking complaints of narcissism here, but what's in the current range for me? BasX replaces Ultra which I've moved up from years ago. The XPA Gen 3 offers very little over my XPA-5 to attract me too it. The upgradability is useless, I'm not going to send an amp back to the US to get serviced. There is no XPA-1L replacemen/upgrade. The MC-700 is hardly an upgrade on my UMC-200. The ERC-3 continues as does the Egos. The XMC-1 isn't at a stage right now that it's worthwhile me looking at it, maybe after the full upgrades are completed. Then there is the big killer, prices have gone up 50% plus due to the bricks and mortar experiment which has already failed with one distributor.

"High end" is purely subjective, what interests most people is 'higher end" than what they have right now. With a compelling argument for existing customers to update/upgrade. That's what is missing for me, I see no reason to even visit the Emotiva web site, whereas it used to be a regular shopping site for what I needed/wanted next.

Cheers
Gary

Perfectly stated Gary, exactly the same feelings I posted earlier.


Tim

[Axis]

What is healthy about this thread is we are challenging Emotiva to raise the bar. I do it all the time and will continue to do it. If you have been hanging out here and have there gear you know that it plays right up there with the competition. You would not be hanging around here if you thought there gear sucked. You can spend more but can anyone tell me who has more audio products on there product page than Emotiva ? Who ?

They are rocking with the whole spectrum of audio products and staying as true as they can with affordable products that sound good. There journey is a different journey than most. They could have easily made a small line of expensive gear like most audio manufactures that deal with high end.

In my opinion the post here is childish posturing about how you want the best and Emotiva is not the best. You can buy anything on the market if you have the money. If you don't have the money, tuff cookies.

[Gary Cook]

Jul 9, 2017 17:02:25 GMT -5 Axis said:

Jul 9, 2017 16:39:19 GMT -5 Gary Cook said:

Risking complaints of narcissism here, but what's in the current range for me? BasX replaces Ultra which I've moved up from years ago. The XPA Gen 3 offers very little over my XPA-5 to attract me too it. The upgradability is useless, I'm not going to send an amp back to the US to get serviced. There is no XPA-1L replacemen/upgrade. The MC-700 is hardly an upgrade on my UMC-200. The ERC-3 continues as does the Egos. The XMC-1 isn't at a stage right now that it's worthwhile me looking at it, maybe after the full upgrades are completed. Then there is the big killer, prices have gone up 50% plus due to the bricks and mortar experiment which has already failed with one distributor.

"High end" is purely subjective, what interests most people is 'higher end" than what they have right now. With a compelling argument for existing customers to update/upgrade. That's what is missing for me, I see no reason to even visit the Emotiva web site, whereas it used to be a regular shopping site for what I needed/wanted next.

What if Lonnie makes that huge monoblock with separate power supply he talked about ?

The one thing that might interest me, but Emo wouldn't ship XPR's to Australia, so it might be irrelevant anyway.

What if they come up with some new stereo amps that have big transformers and big class A ?

I've moved onwards and upwards from stereo power amps to monoblocks, why would I go backwards

What if they make a preamp that does everything with cutting edge room correction ?

I already have an XSP-1 for analogue stereo music I have no need for room correction which involves multiple analogue/digital conversions. My belief is the sound quality would be worse as a result.

What if they make a DAC that betters all the rest out there ?

Other than my home office, which is serviced very well by a BigEgo, I have no use for DAC's

What if they make full range speakers that impresses the whole audio world ?

The freight cost of transporting speakers to Australia makes them a poor choice over the local product. Which is pretty damn good even without wasting costs shipping boxes mostly full of air half way around the world.

Give them time. They want that, we want that and if they can make enough money to do these things with products that most can afford then we all win. The whole premise that they should be making there best gear and selling them now for our pleasure no matter the cost to there company is wrong.

Leaving aside the issue of savage price increases due to adding a step in the supply chain (ie; distributors), I have no problem with waiting. I'm in no hurry, after all I have good quality sound right now.   What I do have issue with is there not being a product on the horizon that interests me in the slightest (aside from the upgraded/updated XMC-1 of course).  Even that is semi forced on me due to the 4K/HDMI/HDCP requirements ie; my UMC-200 sounds great and does everything I need, but as usual with processors the ever changing standards make even great products obsolete..


Cheers
Gary

[Axis]

Jul 9, 2017 18:14:06 GMT -5 Gary Cook said:

Jul 9, 2017 17:02:25 GMT -5 Axis said:

What if Lonnie makes that huge monoblock with separate power supply he talked about ?

The one thing that might interest me, but Emo wouldn't ship XPR's to Australia, so it might be irrelevant anyway.

What if they come up with some new stereo amps that have big transformers and big class A ?

I've moved onwards and upwards from stereo power amps to monoblocks, why would I go backwards

What if they make a preamp that does everything with cutting edge room correction ?

I already have an XSP-1 for analogue stereo music I have no need for room correction which involves multiple analogue/digital conversions. My belief is the sound quality would be worse as a result.

What if they make a DAC that betters all the rest out there ?

Other than my home office, which is serviced very well by a BigEgo, I have no use for DAC's

What if they make full range speakers that impresses the whole audio world ?

The freight cost of transporting speakers to Australia makes them a poor choice over the local product. Which is pretty damn good even without wasting costs shipping boxes mostly full of air half way around the world.

Give them time. They want that, we want that and if they can make enough money to do these things with products that most can afford then we all win. The whole premise that they should be making there best gear and selling them now for our pleasure no matter the cost to there company is wrong.

Leaving aside the issue of savage price increases due to adding a step in the supply chain (ie; distributors), I have no problem with waiting. I'm in no hurry, after all I have good quality sound right now.   What I do have issue with is there not being a product on the horizon that interests me in the slightest (aside from the upgraded/updated XMC-1 of course).  Even that is semi forced on me due to the 4K/HDMI/HDCP requirements ie; my UMC-200 sounds great and does everything I need, but as usual with processors the ever changing standards make even great products obsolete..


Cheers
Gary

Then you have nothing to complain about and I did not think you did. Your one of those that have a handle on all this stuff around here. It does not go unnoticed Gary. You have special considerations because of your location. If you are counting on Emotiva to tickle your fancy with something special on the horizon and they don't it would not surprise me in the least.

I do see you with a RMC-1 in the future possibly. I think you should skip the upgraded/updated XMC-1.

[Gary Cook]

Jul 9, 2017 17:31:03 GMT -5 Axis said:

In my opinion the post here is childish posturing about how you want the best and Emotiva is not the best.

Absolutely correct but not what some (maybe even most) of the guys are banging on about, it's something "higher end" than what they have right now. That certainly applies to me and as most business people acknowledge "the best customer is most often the current customer". After all they know the brand and have bought into its philosophy to "rethink high end" so one shouldn't go around ignoring upgrades/updates for the existing customer base. An example, there are a lot of existing UMC-1 and UMC-200 owners that would like (and are gradually being forced) into an upgrade/update but there is huge price gap between the product they already have and the only upgrade possible, the XMC-1. Which in itself needs an update, of course that's in the pipeline but not here yet and it seems won't be for some months. So there are really 2 issues of substance with the one product, the huge price difference (like 5 times) and unavailability. The XPA-1 and its replacement is another. The DC-1 and XDA-2 similarly. There are plenty of "higher end" updates/upgrades missing.

This is of course in no way knocking the newly released products, I'm sure that they are brilliant sounding and fantastic value for money.  They just aren't on my radar and I suspect missing from quite a few others as well.

Cheers
Gary

[Gary Cook]

Jul 9, 2017 18:25:44 GMT -5 Axis said:

Then you have nothing to complain about and I did not think you did. Your one of those that have a handle on all this stuff around here. It does not go unnoticed Gary. You have special considerations because of your location. If you are counting on Emotiva to tickle your fancy with something special on the horizon and they don't it would not surprise me in the least.

I did warn about narcissism in the first post, it's all about me you know

You're right, I really have very little to complain about, my world sounds pretty good right now, better than it ever has. The little bit of complaining I could do is that I bought a month or so ago a 4K/UHD/HDR TV and there's an Oppo 203 on its way, what is missing is a processor in between them. Now that's a real 1st world problem isn't it

I do see you with a RMC-1 in the future possibly. I think you should skip the upgraded/updated XMC-1.

This one you're completely off key (sic) with, there is no way I'd consider paying the RMC-1 price (~10 times a UMC-200) for a processor that I know full well will be out of date in 2 to 3 years. I'm even having second thoughts about justifying the XMC-1 price at 5 times. What I really need is something in between, like an XMC-1L (now there's a great concept )


Cheers
Gary

[Axis]

Jul 9, 2017 18:41:09 GMT -5 Gary Cook said:

Jul 9, 2017 17:31:03 GMT -5 Axis said:

In my opinion the post here is childish posturing about how you want the best and Emotiva is not the best.

Absolutely correct but not what some (maybe even most) of the guys are banging on about, it's something "higher end" than what they have right now. That certainly applies to me and as most business people acknowledge "the best customer is most often the current customer". After all they know the brand and have bought into its philosophy to "rethink high end" so one shouldn't go around ignoring upgrades/updates for the existing customer base. An example, there are a lot of existing UMC-1 and UMC-200 owners that would like (and are gradually being forced) into an upgrade/update but there is huge price gap between the product they already have and the only upgrade possible, the XMC-1. Which in itself needs an update, of course that's in the pipeline but not here yet and it seems won't be for some months. So there are really 2 issues of substance with the one product, the huge price difference (like 5 times) and unavailability. The XPA-1 and its replacement is another. The DC-1 and XDA-2 similarly. There are plenty of "higher end" updates/upgrades missing.

This is of course in no way knocking the newly released products, I'm sure that they are brilliant sounding and fantastic value for money.  They just aren't on my radar and I suspect missing from quite a few others as well.

Cheers
Gary

I would think that you agree that there are many out there who are using very outdated gear that they bought at the brick and mortar store. A lot more than folks that have been hammering away to get there audio system to "higher end". Many could buy Emotiva entry level products and it would truly be a "rethink high end" product. Current Emotiva costumers that have there current high-end products and are stuck wanting more than they have now are just going to have to wait. Emotive has made several bad moves with there prepros. I *bleep* all the time about how they are still using the UMC platform. I hate how they tell everyone about products that are to be released soon and years go by without a real product. It is almost like they are winging it and don't care if there costumers complain.

They have had many irons in the fire for many years now. Everybody should know that. They are a small company and have more products on there product pages than anyone I can find. The only thing I wished they would have done different is not continue to make the UMC based prepros. It is not good for business in my opinion. The only reason I see for them to have built the MC-700 was to make money to build the XMC-1 and RMC-1. They should have found a different way to finance future gear.

[teaman]

Jul 9, 2017 18:58:19 GMT -5 Gary Cook said:

Jul 9, 2017 18:25:44 GMT -5 Axis said:

Then you have nothing to complain about and I did not think you did. Your one of those that have a handle on all this stuff around here. It does not go unnoticed Gary. You have special considerations because of your location. If you are counting on Emotiva to tickle your fancy with something special on the horizon and they don't it would not surprise me in the least.

I did warn about narcissism in the first post, it's all about me you know

You're right, I really have very little to complain about, my world sounds pretty good right now, better than it ever has. The little bit of complaining I could do is that I bought a month or so ago a 4K/UHD/HDR TV and there's an Oppo 203 on its way, what is missing is a processor in between them. Now that's a real 1st world problem isn't it

I do see you with a RMC-1 in the future possibly. I think you should skip the upgraded/updated XMC-1.

This one you're completely off key (sic) with, there is no way I'd consider paying the RMC-1 price (~10 times a UMC-200) for a processor that I know full well will be out of date in 2 to 3 years. I'm even having second thoughts about justifying the XMC-1 price at 5 times. What I really need is something in between, like an XMC-1L (now there's a great concept )


Cheers
Gary

Once again right with you on this one Gary. I know my Sherbourn PT7020's are not SOTA today and lack a few of the latest options but the sound I get out of them is still very pleasing. I won't be cutting holes in my ceiling to insert overhead speakers for Atmos any time soon and I see no real purpose for a reflective speaker mounted on the top of a tower in my room. I have seven speakers already and to me that is plenty. The fact that I picked up my Sherbourn Pre/Pro for $115 tells me that for very few dollars spend I can be very content. Unless I win a lottery I would never even consider spending $5K on a Processor, to me that is insane. I'll be honest, I am the only person in my house that cares at all about the sound. My wife turns the pre/pro and receivers off or mutes them because she actually prefers the television speakers without all the noise. I would never even consider spending $2k on a processor. As you said Gary, in two or three years that technology is darned near obsolete.


Tim

[klinemj]

Looking at the latest posts is making me think - there's a difference between abandoning the high end and just not having something I want. At one point, I was sure I'd want an RMC-1. But, I am content with what I have right now. So, even once that is out, I won't be in a rush to get it. Once I get a 4K TV is my main theater, I'll have to debate the RMC-1 vs. upgrading my XMC-1. But, options are good...

Mark

[Axis]

Jul 9, 2017 18:58:19 GMT -5 Gary Cook said:

Jul 9, 2017 18:25:44 GMT -5 Axis said:

Then you have nothing to complain about and I did not think you did. Your one of those that have a handle on all this stuff around here. It does not go unnoticed Gary. You have special considerations because of your location. If you are counting on Emotiva to tickle your fancy with something special on the horizon and they don't it would not surprise me in the least.

I did warn about narcissism in the first post, it's all about me you know

You're right, I really have very little to complain about, my world sounds pretty good right now, better than it ever has. The little bit of complaining I could do is that I bought a month or so ago a 4K/UHD/HDR TV and there's an Oppo 203 on its way, what is missing is a processor in between them. Now that's a real 1st world problem isn't it

I do see you with a RMC-1 in the future possibly. I think you should skip the upgraded/updated XMC-1.

This one you're completely off key (sic) with, there is no way I'd consider paying the RMC-1 price (~10 times a UMC-200) for a processor that I know full well will be out of date in 2 to 3 years. I'm even having second thoughts about justifying the XMC-1 price at 5 times. What I really need is something in between, like an XMC-1L (now there's a great concept )


Cheers
Gary

If Emotiva would have made a XMC-1L with seven channels and no Atmos I would hve snatched it up in a heartbeat. I have been hanging here since the beginning and watched the UMC-1 thinking that would be cool. I bought the Fusion AV receiver on sale just to give it a try. The XMC-1 was going to be $999 or something. The price tag now is the only thing that keeps me from clicking buy and I can afford it. It has what I want with the TI chips and better operating system. I do not need the balanced 2 channel or Dirac. I am never going to use more than five speakers for my surround system and Dolby HD is just fine with me.

Who in the hell is going to have fourteen speakers in there living room other than you audio nuts ?

What are we doing ? when does this madness stop ? All this improvement looks like bragging rights for the maker while the real world people that just do not want bugs in a good separate surround processor get screwed because they can not afford the gear that works properly. It does not need to do anything good but let you watch tv and movies with your 5.1 surround speakers. The main reason I want and believe most want a separate surround processor is so they can use a separate multi channel amp that has good clean output better than the 29.3 watt all channels you get in a bestbuy AV reciver. I have a Sony 1070 right now that gives me no problems and powers my speakers with close to 60 watts for all five channels I use. I bought it at bestbuy for $100 off the normal price of $599. I hate to spend anymore than I have to for anything, If Emotiva made a good prepro under $1000 that would let me spend maybe at the most another $1000 for a good 5 channel amp.

[teaman]

Jul 9, 2017 21:14:24 GMT -5 Axis said:

Jul 9, 2017 18:58:19 GMT -5 Gary Cook said:

I did warn about narcissism in the first post, it's all about me you know

You're right, I really have very little to complain about, my world sounds pretty good right now, better than it ever has. The little bit of complaining I could do is that I bought a month or so ago a 4K/UHD/HDR TV and there's an Oppo 203 on its way, what is missing is a processor in between them. Now that's a real 1st world problem isn't it


This one you're completely off key (sic) with, there is no way I'd consider paying the RMC-1 price (~10 times a UMC-200) for a processor that I know full well will be out of date in 2 to 3 years. I'm even having second thoughts about justifying the XMC-1 price at 5 times. What I really need is something in between, like an XMC-1L (now there's a great concept )


Cheers
Gary

If Emotiva would have made a XMC-1L with seven channels and no Atmos I would hve snatched it up in a heartbeat. I have been hanging here since the beginning and watched the UMC-1 thinking that would be cool. I bought the Fusion AV receiver on sale just to give it a try. The XMC-1 was going to be $999 or something. The price tag now is the only thing that keeps me from clicking buy and I can afford it. It has what I want with the TI chips and better operating system. I do not need the balanced 2 channel or Dirac. I am never going to use more than five speakers for my surround system and Dolby HD is just fine with me.

Who in the hell is going to have fourteen speakers in there living room other than you audio nuts ?

What are we doing ? when does this madness stop ? All this improvement looks like bragging rights for the maker while the real world people that just do not want bugs in a good separate surround processor get screwed because they can not afford the gear that works properly. It does not need to do anything good but let you watch tv and movies with your 5.1 surround speakers. The main reason I want and believe most want a separate surround processor is so they can use a separate multi channel amp that has good clean output better than the 29.3 watt all channels you get in a bestbuy AV reciver. I have a Sony 1070 right now that gives me no problems and powers my speakers with close to 60 watts for all five channels I use. I bought it at bestbuy for $100 off the normal price of $599. I hate to spend anymore than I have to for anything, If Emotiva made a good prepro under $1000 that would let me spend maybe at the most another $1000 for a good 5 channel amp.

Well said Mike!

[Axis]

Jul 9, 2017 20:46:33 GMT -5 klinemj said:

Looking at the latest posts is making me think - there's a difference between abandoning the high end and just not having something I want. At one point, I was sure I'd want an RMC-1. But, I am content with what I have right now. So, even once that is out, I won't be in a rush to get it. Once I get a 4K TV is my main theater, I'll have to debate the RMC-1 vs. upgrading my XMC-1. But, options are good...

Mark

The something I wanted from Emotiva should have happen years ago. Before the Emersa I wanted that was announced two and a half years ago. I have to wait until a certain age and hopefully a lowering of taxes before I can smartly pull funds from investments I made for my retirement. I retired three years ago and live comfortable but I am not spending $2500 or $5000 for a prepro. That is soon to change and $5000 for a prepro like the RMC-1 would be the direction I could go if I wanted to. If I got the RMC-1 it would be in a proper built movie room in a house and not in an apartment. I am working on moving to florida and possibly a sailboat. You only live once. XMC-1 is in the rear view mirror but a compact Emersa AV reviver with healthy small ICE digital amplification would fit in my sailboat. I'm sorry Emotiva but it may be to late for you to sell me anything unless it hits soon. I can only just imagine what your Emersa gear would have been like if I had it for last couple years. I waited five or six years for a prepro from you before the Emersa. I gave my Fusion 8100 to a Lounge member. I am tough customer and I bet there are many more out there like me. I feel for all that post here with problems with there MC-700. There is certain degree of success with it and some it is the cherry on top. I won't buy it no matter the price.