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Post by leonski on Jul 11, 2017 17:10:03 GMT -5
Speakers are high end folks. Not amps. Let's get a grip on this audio stuff folks. I don't know what that means? High end doesn't have much to do with ultimate sound quality, though the very top 2% IS pretty pricy, but rather simply cost. You can get 90% of the 'best' for a fraction the price. Original Advent (large) is a perfect example. When they came out, at about 125$ per or less in a plain enclosure, not much was even close. Original Adcom 555 (Pass Design) was well regarded and even has a used value today. I doubt my '70s Kenwood KA-7100 would even be worth the shipping cost, though it continues to function well. |
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Post by Axis on Jul 11, 2017 21:31:28 GMT -5
Speakers are high end folks. Not amps. Let's get a grip on this audio stuff folks. I don't know what that means? High end doesn't have much to do with ultimate sound quality, though the very top 2% IS pretty pricy, but rather simply cost. You can get 90% of the 'best' for a fraction the price. Original Advent (large) is a perfect example. When they came out, at about 125$ per or less in a plain enclosure, not much was even close. Original Adcom 555 (Pass Design) was well regarded and even has a used value today. I doubt my '70s Kenwood KA-7100 would even be worth the shipping cost, though it continues to function well. That's because audiophiles even though they say there in it for the sound or music are really just drawn to the gear. In the words of Steve Guttenberg " You don't need the gear to listen to music, you need the gear because you like gear." I can confuse you more if you want.  |
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Post by Axis on Jul 11, 2017 21:43:57 GMT -5
Everybody please watch this. This is about personal audio and headphones in 2011 but there discussion is one of the best I have ever heard about how we perceive what is good and what is not in sound without a bunch of technobabble. Better is not always good and fun can be had for little. garbulky please listen starting @ 19:20 to Tyll and Steve talk about the Bottlehead Crack. |
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Post by Axis on Jul 11, 2017 22:05:42 GMT -5
I am looking forward to hearing the Emotiva Airmotiv T2's with my Emotiva USP-1 preamp and my Emotiva UPA-2 two channel amplifier. I want for no other gear for the Emotiva Airmotiv T2's. I am not a audiophile and I will never expect my gear to reproduce the recording event. It does not exist. It is a fantasy and I am going to have fun with the music that comes out of my speakers. I will not measure it or try to modify it.
When Rory comes out with Emotiva reference speakers I will hook them up to the same Emotiva USP-1 preamp and Emotiva UPA-2 two channel amplifier and will enjoy those speakers. If I need more output for them I will buy another Emotiva two channel amplifier with more power.
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Post by teaman on Jul 11, 2017 22:29:58 GMT -5
I am happy to admit I am a music lover first and foremost. I enjoy music in headphones, Bluetooth, car audio, bookshelf and tower speakers...with or without a sub. I think the better the system is only helps me to enjoy the musical clarity and punch a little more. I don't demean people for not wanting a nice set up, I just think if you truly enjoy music a better quality system can bring you closer to what you want to hear.
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Post by Boomzilla on Jul 12, 2017 21:21:03 GMT -5
I don't think we've yet seen the best that Mr. Rory has to offer. I'm expecting great things.
And I suspect that any "ultimate" or "reference" speaker from Emotiva may well (like the Stealth series) be self-powered with active, rather than passive crossovers. The advantages seem (to me) to be too great to ignore. But since Emotiva DOES still sell so many "old-school" external power amps...
Getting Rory to talk may be impossible! LOL
So what would I like to see in an "Emotiva Reference Speaker?"
Internal self-powered subwoofer with the ability to go lower than 20 Hz. in a large room, and without strain.
A three-way module atop the sub (maybe fast 8-inch woofer with a ribbon mid & tweeter).
Internal amps for the whole thing.
Ability to electronically contour the speaker for the room it's being used in.
A price under $4.5K.
And I want to be the first to write a review on THAT one!
Cheers - Boom
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Post by teaman on Jul 12, 2017 22:40:40 GMT -5
Nothing personal boom but I cannot picture Emotiva coming out with $4k speakers. Not because they can't but because there is utter saturation in that price range and under....a new speaker entry would probably get lost. I believe the T1 and T2 are priced right where Emotiva wants to be. Sorry but I wouldn't pay anywhere near $5k for a newly launched flagship speaker from Emotiva, there are way too many proven designs on the market I like at that price and most offer better warranties.
Honestly I think the same for the processor that Emotiva has upcoming. There are few $5k processors and since the likes of Arcam, Anthem, Marantz, Bryston, etc are already offering well reviewed components in that price range or less, I have a hard time seeing Emotiva being successful there. Emotiva should stick with what built them. Introduce a flagship around $2k mark and option it up another $500 or so. To me, Emotiva needs to launch a upper tier replacement for the UMC-700, a higher bang for the buck processor with very little competition. They just need to take the quality up a notch....do not release a new processor until it is bug free!
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Post by leonski on Jul 12, 2017 23:38:44 GMT -5
Boom, i'd like to see a MODULAR speaker. Some kind of stand alone system which mighr respond from 50hz (-3db) up in-room. You can go the Magnepan route and add mid-bass drivers or even go all the way with a large bass Add-On which goes UNDER the module. That would extend response to pretty darn low. i'd like to see a Line Source from 100hz UP, for example, and maybe a big RIBBON tweeter. Self Powered? Some people don't like 'D' amps which is what that is generally code for. The CROSSOVER should be something from MiniDSP and you'll need 3 channels of amplification PER speaker, to start. www.rotarywoofer.comFor best REALLY low bass, only one choice exists. The ROTARY subwoofer. Prior to cranking THAT one up, have the house checked for possible structural problems. |
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Post by assy74 on Jul 13, 2017 5:38:53 GMT -5
I totaly agree with boomzilla! The xpr line was a masterpiece  So was very dissapointed when they discountinued that line.... I was waiting for gen 2 lol! I am sure T1 and T2 speakers sound good, but I doubt they can compete with high end segment. So a reference speaker around 4-5 k, would be nice Bur I love emotiva, my xmc-1 and xpr-5 combo can compare to both double and triple the price So maybe me and boomzilla are asking alot..... But it is alowed to hope |
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Post by leonski on Jul 13, 2017 12:16:05 GMT -5
It would be neat to have an EMO speaker at 2k per / 4k pair. But so many HT guys that you'd also have to design / voice / build surround or in-wall or whatever to make the package
attractive to them. A matching set? Mains @4000$ Center? 1200$ Surrounds? 1000$ per.
This would be both an expensive AND ambitious project in a VERY competitive space.
I'm sure that Rory is very end-user price constrained when starting with a clean sheet of paper.
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Post by Boomzilla on Jul 13, 2017 14:02:23 GMT -5
With Rory and the Emotiva pricing, I'd expect that an Emotiva "reference" speaker would compare to anyone else's - but at half the price. So if a $10K speaker is Revel's reference, for example, then I'd expect equivalent sound from Emotiva for $5K (or less).
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Post by leonski on Jul 13, 2017 14:20:59 GMT -5
EMO would (probably) not be able to afford an exclusive made-to-order set of drivers.
They'd have to go to
SEAS, VIFA, Celestion, Dynaudio and a bunch of others.
Maybe even KEF sells drivers ot OEM? Or JBL?
That alone puts a 'floor' under the price of a true statement piece. Manufacturing costs of the Enclosure MIGHT be taken care of if this was done overseas and shipped to
the USA for assembly . ??
Still and all, a surround sound Matched Set would cost a bundle.
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Post by goozoo on Jul 13, 2017 14:51:30 GMT -5
From the looks of things, Emo is poised to offer a wide range of products over the next few years aimed at a very competitive market. The challenge is that they are very slow to market, and when they do, most buyers have moved on to other brands. This is further complicated by the fact that their lower end processors are "non-recommendable" by most installers as has been well documented on this forum. What drew me (and most) to Emotiva in the first place was the value that was gained from the price per performance by "hi end" standards. As many have commented, this is fading as well, as the company is becoming more for the masses. We work with many clients across a wide spectrum of budgets who are looking for solutions now, not 6-8 months (or longer) down the road. While Emotiva will always be in our arsenal of companies to recommend, we too have been looking for answers as to which direction Emo will eventually head in the long-run.
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Post by Boomzilla on Jul 13, 2017 15:08:14 GMT -5
Interesting...
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Post by Cogito on Jul 13, 2017 16:18:49 GMT -5
I don't think we've yet seen the best that Mr. Rory has to offer. I'm expecting great things. And I suspect that any "ultimate" or "reference" speaker from Emotiva may well (like the Stealth series) be self-powered with active, rather than passive crossovers. The advantages seem (to me) to be too great to ignore. But since Emotiva DOES still sell so many "old-school" external power amps... Getting Rory to talk may be impossible! LOL So what would I like to see in an "Emotiva Reference Speaker?" Internal self-powered subwoofer with the ability to go lower than 20 Hz. in a large room, and without strain. A three-way module atop the sub (maybe fast 8-inch woofer with a ribbon mid & tweeter). Internal amps for the whole thing. Ability to electronically contour the speaker for the room it's being used in. A price under $4.5K. And I want to be the first to write a review on THAT one! Cheers - Boom Screw built in powered subwoofers. They require you to place them near power outlets, the added complexities would certainly effect long term reliability and most importantly, subwoofers rarely sound best where the main speakers sit. |
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Post by audiobill on Jul 13, 2017 16:19:21 GMT -5
I notice that Siegfried Linkwitz, ultra high end speaker and crossover designer is no longer mentioning Emotiva on his site, FWIW.
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Post by Cogito on Jul 13, 2017 16:32:24 GMT -5
With Rory and the Emotiva pricing, I'd expect that an Emotiva "reference" speaker would compare to anyone else's - but at half the price. So if a $10K speaker is Revel's reference, for example, then I'd expect equivalent sound from Emotiva for $5K (or less). The market for $5k speakers is pretty small and likely VERY small among Emotiva customers. $1500-2000 seems to be the industry's sweet-spot with some very successful designs already on the market. |
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Post by leonski on Jul 13, 2017 16:34:02 GMT -5
I suggest a speaker 'wish list' thread.
I'll start? Maybe EMO should Partner with Linkwitz in the making of an Open Baffle HT setup for the Masses.
Keep the price of the 5 piece set UNDER 3500$ or so. Sell as a set of 5 ONLY.
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Post by Bonzo on Jul 13, 2017 19:03:24 GMT -5
I don't think we've yet seen the best that Mr. Rory has to offer. I'm expecting great things. And I suspect that any "ultimate" or "reference" speaker from Emotiva may well (like the Stealth series) be self-powered with active, rather than passive crossovers. The advantages seem (to me) to be too great to ignore. But since Emotiva DOES still sell so many "old-school" external power amps... Getting Rory to talk may be impossible! LOL So what would I like to see in an "Emotiva Reference Speaker?" Internal self-powered subwoofer with the ability to go lower than 20 Hz. in a large room, and without strain. A three-way module atop the sub (maybe fast 8-inch woofer with a ribbon mid & tweeter). Internal amps for the whole thing. Ability to electronically contour the speaker for the room it's being used in. A price under $4.5K. And I want to be the first to write a review on THAT one! Cheers - Boom You should find someone on this forum with a well set up room and system using Triton 1s and go to their house for a visit. In store listening won't cut it. And take some of your own music along. I don't think my old Def Techs, electronics or room will meet your rigorous requirements, but if you ever come to Southwest Ohio I'd like to hear your detailed thoughts, whatever they may be. |
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Post by DYohn on Jul 13, 2017 19:04:54 GMT -5
Who's Rory?
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