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Post by dwaleke on Jan 2, 2017 12:03:06 GMT -5
All I ask is this: if you are listening, Emotiva: At a predicted price point that is almost twice what I paid for my Anthem AVM 60, the RMC-1 had better be completely bullet proof and have more to set it apart than just Dirac VS ARC. ARC is quite amazing, by the way... Sound is subjective, but on paper the RMC-1 should be quite a bit better than the AVM 60. Room EQ aside. Fully differential circuit from DACs to output on all channels. No one at this price point has this. Dirac is quite a bit better than ARC. BTW: I've owned a few different Dirac options (XMC included) and I currently own an AVM 60. We are getting to the point of diminishing returns though so YMMV. |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Jan 2, 2017 12:27:26 GMT -5
And, as the Audioholics review of the Anthem AVM60 mentions, it was quite a work in progress when they first got it in July 2016: But he goes on to say that Anthem did resolve the bulk of the issues he had and praised their support staff. As I've mentioned a few times, processors are heinously complex systems. They have to do a lot and they suffer from ever-changing standards. Worse yet, most processors sell relatively small numbers of units, so it's generally hard to get the economies of scale going in order to support large development and QA staffs. For instance, I think it's that last point which drove Anthem to make the AVM60 be mostly just a copy of their MRX receivers, minus the amplifier section. That allows them to take advantage of the larger combined volume unit sales and amortize most of the development and QA across that base. But it's also one of the biggest "ding"s that they're received on the AVM60; that it's not "different" enough and feels like a cheap way out. Now, all of that said, the RMC-1 and the Anthem AVM60 are going to be very different in a number of areas. Whether those differences are of interest to you, only you can say. For instance, the RMC-1's 16 fully-balanced channels, each one with its own AKM Stereo DAC operating in Dual Mono mode. You won't find that in the AVM60. Worth it? Your call. Casey |
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Post by number8 on Jan 7, 2017 0:29:30 GMT -5
I have a quite large room (55m2). I just don't care about Atmos or any number of channels above 7.2. What I do care about is to have the best audio quality as possible. In this respect I think there is room for improvement. Sometimes I have the feeling that the center channel is the high medium and treble is a bit harsh (female voice for instance).
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Post by peterc613 on Feb 28, 2017 13:34:12 GMT -5
I'm not quite sure where two post this as I'm can't find a specific thread in the Emotiva Lounge or customer support link on the website for customer comments and suggestions on the upcoming RMC-1.
I see that the RMC-1 has 16 discreet channels, but that it is only configured at this point for 7.3.6. For myself and I think many more like me, the processor we have been waiting for will decode all 9 base channels (including front width), along with at least 6 height channels for Dolby Atmos. This still allows a single LFE channel that can run Dirac on multiple subs that have been previously balanced prior to room correction processing. The benefits of the additional wide channels fill in the gap between front and the surround speakers. This outweigh the benefit of having right and left SUB outputs which can be handled through the LFE channel, even with multiple subs.
Studies by Harmon and others have found that the most efficient use of multiple subwoofers is either two or four subs symmetrically placed around the room with the midpoint at each wall creating the best results. Those subs can be balanced with the use of a MiniDSP and then room calibrated as a combined system by the Dirac processing in the RMC-1.
Hopefully the two Sub XLR outputs (Front Right, Front Left) can be configured as an option for the 5th and 6th Atmos speakers (Top Right, Top Left), leaving the LFE XLR output for the subwoofer system .
The 16 fully independent balanced DSP channels on the RMC-1 can be configured to accommodate 9.1.6 in addition to 7.3.6. The question is wether they will pre-program this as an option. Please Emotiva, give us 9.1.6 - no one else has it under the cost of a Trinnov 16 for $27,000.
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Post by Bonzo on Feb 28, 2017 14:10:57 GMT -5
The good news is that at least we now have the option of fixing things with firmware updates....... So I'm optimistic. Firmware updates are the modern day AV equivalent of a double edged sword. They allow things to be fixed or updated as time goes on, which is good. BUT, they also allow engineers to be lazy not sweating the details, and manufacturers to be hasty releasing things before they are ready. In other words, it abandons the principle of people getting it right in the first place. It promotes a lais·sez-faire attitude towards the entire thing, and that's not good. On average, if I had the ability to choose between having firmware updates and dealing with all the bugs and hassles associated with it to have the most cutting edge equipment, VS no updates with no bugs or hassles yet not quite totally cutting edge, I'd take the latter almost every time. My 12 year old Denon has been flawless, and I like it that way. Back on thread topic, I sincerely hope the RMC-1 is available to everyone ASAP, just as soon as Dan & company can get it out in good working order. But since the thread title has a question mark, and since we don't have any hard core facts, we can only really guess. So my guess says that it won't be until 2018. Sorry if you don't like my guess. Only time will tell who's more right. I'm more curious about the new updated XMC-1 and XMC-2 anyway. |
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Post by rhale64 on Feb 28, 2017 15:16:02 GMT -5
I was just talking to my wife about this thing. I am really ready for this thing to come out. I sold my Foundation a loooong time ago in anticipation of this. This is the reason for that sale.
I have been slowly loosing interest in this hobby waiting. So please for my sanity sake release this thing.
I can only tweak so much. I am even buying so called audio grade fuses for all my components because they are a cheap thing to tinker around with. I am upgrading my diy speaker crossover components trying to hide my time when this gets here..
So Please again, Dan and Lonnie get this thing to me.
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Post by cwt on Mar 1, 2017 1:57:40 GMT -5
On average, if I had the ability to choose between having firmware updates and dealing with all the bugs and hassles associated with it to have the most cutting edge equipment, VS no updates with no bugs or hassles yet not quite totally cutting edge, I'd take the latter almost every time. My 12 year old Denon has been flawless, and I like it that way. Back on thread topic, I sincerely hope the RMC-1 is available to everyone ASAP, just as soon as Dan & company can get it out in good working order. But since the thread title has a question mark, and since we don't have any hard core facts, we can only really guess. So my guess says that it won't be until 2018. Sorry if you don't like my guess. Only time will tell who's more right. I'm more curious about the new updated XMC-1 and XMC-2 anyway. True certainly Bonzo - what used to be the status quo ; the trouble these days is incorporating new hdmi versions which may/may not introduce new problems via edid comms and bandwidth . Which ties in with the need for those aforementioned upgrades ;though not specifically firmware downloads  On the RMC1 we do know that there would have been a working prototype at CES only for a particular codec porting to the relevant chipset ; which will be 1st ? the RMC1 or XMC-2 do you think ? Consider too that Dan has recently been to Europe to talk about auro3d ; dsp modes is well down the track on RMC1 viability one would think . Anyway Ime sure the XMC1 upgrade has priority over all so one thing at a time . The XMC2 will take awhile as to ensure the XMC1 upgrades investment isn't cannibalised for the new kid on the block  |
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Post by edrummereasye on Mar 3, 2017 7:57:37 GMT -5
I'm not quite sure where two post this as I'm can't find a specific thread in the Emotiva Lounge or customer support link on the website for customer comments and suggestions on the upcoming RMC-1. I see that the RMC-1 has 16 discreet channels, but that it is only configured at this point for 7.3.6. For myself and I think many more like me, the processor we have been waiting for will decode all 9 base channels (including front width), along with at least 6 height channels for Dolby Atmos. This still allows a single LFE channel that can run Dirac on multiple subs that have been previously balanced prior to room correction processing. The benefits of the additional wide channels fill in the gap between front and the surround speakers. This outweigh the benefit of having right and left SUB outputs which can be handled through the LFE channel, even with multiple subs. Studies by Harmon and others have found that the most efficient use of multiple subwoofers is either two or four subs symmetrically placed around the room with the midpoint at each wall creating the best results. Those subs can be balanced with the use of a MiniDSP and then room calibrated as a combined system by the Dirac processing in the RMC-1. Hopefully the two Sub XLR outputs (Front Right, Front Left) can be configured as an option for the 5th and 6th Atmos speakers (Top Right, Top Left), leaving the LFE XLR output for the subwoofer system . The 16 fully independent balanced DSP channels on the RMC-1 can be configured to accommodate 9.1.6 in addition to 7.3.6. The question is wether they will pre-program this as an option. Please Emotiva, give us 9.1.6 - no one else has it under the cost of a Trinnov 16 for $27,000. Well Dan has said 9.3.4, so you're halfway there... but I wonder about the number of people who want to run 15 speakers to a single sub. Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course... |
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Post by Erwin.BE on Mar 7, 2017 13:56:19 GMT -5
Well, one can use an outboard solution to sum multiple subs to a single output.
But, we are informed the RMC-1 uses 13.3 ready chips so we will have to accept that. For the beginning at least.
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Post by dvdboulet on Mar 21, 2017 20:35:22 GMT -5
Hi all, just wondering if we've heard anything regarding development progress and/or a target release date (however general that might be... like "near the end of 2017")? My Marantz receiver just bit the dust, and now that I have a 7 channel amp (Outlaw), I wanted my next purchase to be a "real" high-end processor... within my budget of course  The RMC is my dream. Naturally. But it's not available at this moment, and I can't play Zelda Breath of the Wild with my dead Marantz. So do I pick up a cheap/used receiver (with pre-outs) to tide me over and wait for the RMC to spend the real bucks? Or get an XMC-1 now, experience a boni-fide upgrade from the Marantz receiver (it would be... it was a 8002), but then when inevitably the RMC comes out, wish I had waited and gotten the "processor of my dreams"? The audiophile in me really wants that RMC. But I've always "held off" with older/obsolete gear *waiting*... so I don't want to make that same mistake either and end up waiting years for a new high-end processor. If the RMC was 6 months away, a no brainer: I would wait. It if was going to come out in 2018... hmm... might spring for a XMC-1 now and then *maybe* sell later and upgrade to the RMC. Help! dave |
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Post by rhale64 on Mar 21, 2017 20:57:16 GMT -5
Has anybody heard anything about Axpona? Are they bringing this ? It sure would ease my anxiety towards this thing. And makes sense as it was supposed to be working at CES. But the software people couldn't get it done in time.
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Post by Casey Leedom on Mar 21, 2017 21:46:17 GMT -5
What about just grabbing an MC-700 to hold yourself over? You could sell it after your eventual upgrade.
Other than that, I wouldn't expect anyone at Emotiva to authitatively say anything till just before they can deliver production units.
Casey
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Post by vcautokid on Mar 21, 2017 22:25:16 GMT -5
And, as the Audioholics review of the Anthem AVM60 mentions, it was quite a work in progress when they first got it in July 2016: But he goes on to say that Anthem did resolve the bulk of the issues he had and praised their support staff. As I've mentioned a few times, processors are heinously complex systems. They have to do a lot and they suffer from ever-changing standards. Worse yet, most processors sell relatively small numbers of units, so it's generally hard to get the economies of scale going in order to support large development and QA staffs. For instance, I think it's that last point which drove Anthem to make the AVM60 be mostly just a copy of their MRX receivers, minus the amplifier section. That allows them to take advantage of the larger combined volume unit sales and amortize most of the development and QA across that base. But it's also one of the biggest "ding"s that they're received on the AVM60; that it's not "different" enough and feels like a cheap way out. Now, all of that said, the RMC-1 and the Anthem AVM60 are going to be very different in a number of areas. Whether those differences are of interest to you, only you can say. For instance, the RMC-1's 16 fully-balanced channels, each one with its own AKM Stereo DAC operating in Dual Mono mode. You won't find that in the AVM60. Worth it? Your call. Casey Common practice by many of manufacturers to use common platform for their products. Saves in costs of manufacture, and more. It is not a bad thing really. Does that translate into something you may want? Maybe, maybe not. For me, it is all about the options, and capabilities more so than whether or not it is the same, less something here, and there. As I always say, your mileage may vary. |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Mar 21, 2017 22:38:14 GMT -5
Oh, I definitely agree. I'm betting that the people at Emotiva have looked long and hard at how to leverage/share engineering up and down their product likes. I certainly would.
Casey
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Post by Dan Laufman on Mar 30, 2017 21:52:28 GMT -5
For those of you who think we're not busy working on the RMC-1, here you go. This is the RMC-1 "test mule" being put through it's paces. And yes, we know it has the wrong front panel on it! 😂 Enjoy!!  |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Mar 30, 2017 21:55:38 GMT -5
"Frankenstein2", eh? Casey |
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Post by novisnick on Mar 30, 2017 22:03:14 GMT -5
For those of you who think we're not busy working on the RMC-1, here you go. This is the RMC-1 "test mule" being put through it's paces. And yes, we know it has the wrong front panel on it! 😂 Enjoy!! So awesome for sharing this! Thanks Big Guy!  |
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Post by petew on Mar 31, 2017 10:24:40 GMT -5
Sure looks like an XMC-1. I only see nine channels on the analog board.
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Post by Casey Leedom on Mar 31, 2017 10:51:06 GMT -5
You did see the "Frankenstein2" label in the display, eh?
As Dan noted, this is a "Test Mule". This has pieces of hardware which can be used — even in altered configurations — to test various software support, a fair bit of the fundamental hardware paths, and even to some extent the near whole-system performance. Of course without real boards and cases, they can't do EMI testing, full system power/performance, etc. But by the time they get to that point, all of the individual hardware components and the software which control them should have been in situ tested.
They're a ways off at this point but seem to be making good, incremental progress.
Casey
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Post by Lonnie on Mar 31, 2017 11:41:29 GMT -5
Great reply Casey and thank you for jumping in and explaining the processes. Yes it is the current Xmc output board, but that is is only for testing the code and such on a proven platform. The 16 channel board is being vetted by itself right now before integrating it.
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