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Post by Boomzilla on Jun 20, 2017 8:56:56 GMT -5
Hi routlaw - Everything seems to work on my player - It loads & plays everything I've thrown at it. So I'd have to assume that it IS working properly. The difference between my experience and that of others most likely lies in personal preference. From my experience, many people like a bit of treble brightness in their reproduced audio. A peak in the low to mid treble makes for an "airy" treble sound - a "virtue" that most audiophiles seem to value. Sabre DACs, more than those of other manufacturers, have a reputation for this "airy" sound. Despite the popularity of this distortion, it isn't realistic to my ears. Over the years, I've listened to a LOT of live music - mostly chamber music and classical since my daughter is a violinist. My ears are "calibrated" to consider live music as "right" and anything that deviates from that sound to be "wrong." Now before you dismiss my statements as elitist BS, consider the following: If you had an audio store with a visually opaque but acoustically transparent curtain, and you had a live jazz ensemble behind the curtain and also a microphone feed to some speakers that had exaggerated bass and a slight peak in the treble, I'd bet that the majority of people who listened to music in that room would prefer the sound of the speakers to that of the live ensemble. Why? Because it's what they've become used to. After all, their car stereo has a bass and treble bump - their Bose at home has a bass and treble bump - so that's their reference as to what "music" should sound like. The only "live" music they've ever heard much of was at rock concerts where the sound system ALSO had a bass and treble bump. So the Sabre DACs in the Oppo play to the majority of the market. They sound like "great audio" to those who don't hear much live, acoustic music. But they don't very sound good to me. So I'd actually expect for the majority to disagree with my assessment of the UDP-205. And if you're one who loves the sound of B&W speakers (or JBLs, for that matter), then you'll probably LOVE the sound of the new Oppo. And regardless of what I think of its sound, it's YOUR money and YOUR ears. Don't let my opinion color your own impressions. I'm definitely in the minority on this one, and that's OK by me. I do say that the Oppo isn't a neutral-sounding player. Could that be verified with measurements? I don't know. Many of the things I'm describing may have more to do with noise-shaping, distortion artifacts, and timing than with actual frequency response. I'd guess that the new Sabre DAC set measures as flat as any other DAC on the market (in other words, so flat a frequency response that they should all sound exactly alike). But it doesn't SOUND that way. To my ears, the DAC in the PT-100 is not only superior, but FAR superior sounding than the one in the Oppo. And obviously the manufacturers agree with me. Otherwise they'd use the cheapest DAC on the market (after all, it measures identically to the most expensive). But they don't. They choose their DACs depending on the desired voicing (and on the ability to play a wider range of input sample-rates and codecs). So take my opinion (as always) with a giant grain of salt. I DO have my reasons for saying what I said, but my reasons (and my ears) aren't yours. Your money, your choice! Cordially - Boomzilla |
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Post by Bonzo on Jun 20, 2017 9:40:34 GMT -5
My 205 loads & plays within about 5 seconds - 10 at the very most - be it music or video discs. This is great news. It's one of my biggest drawbacks to universal players is that they take way to long to load. This is seriously disappointing. Companies like Oppo are supposed to either stay at a high level, or better themselves, not go backwards. I was planning on waiting until Christmas for this thing, and I'm most certainly going to stick to my plan and see how things shake out. Thanks for the post. |
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Post by Bonzo on Jun 20, 2017 12:24:54 GMT -5
Everything seems to work on my player - It loads & plays everything I've thrown at it. So I'd have to assume that it IS working properly. The difference between my experience and that of others most likely lies in personal preference. That was going to be a question of mine. So if appears it’s working properly, are you 100% positive there isn't some setting you have wrong? Second, people here are always so quick to jump down someone's throat for not calling Emotiva. So have you called Oppo to voice your disappointment? Have you called to discuss it with one of their engineers? If they refute what you are saying perhaps there "is" something wrong. If they say things that back your feelings, then you're right when you say personal taste then. Lastly, have you left this thing turned on for a long time without turning it off? I'm just wondering if it doesn't have some of the same issues the Schiit unit has, where Mr. Harley basically said it sounded horrible until he let it run for a month. Me just being dumb grabbing at straws here. Which, until now, you seemed to like too, at least in the 105. I don't find it elitist at all. But I do have differences of opinion with your conclusions in this area. As for me, I have listened to a lot of amplified live music all my life. Totally acoustic, no. In the last 10 years I’ve also been exposed to quite a bit of classical being played by the Dayton Philharmonic, which is to say oh-na-tu-ral acoustic, but in a very well-tuned great acoustic venue. Chamber music, no. And this is why I think I tend to like the sound of speakers that do reproduce a live sort of sound. Hence my Def Techs, and my likes for Maggies and even Martin Logans. I have also really liked Dynaudio in this regards. The psychology of it all is enough for another thread. But I would pick the live band, no doubt about it. (See my note about imaging below) Well, like I said before, live truly acoustic is not my forte, so you may be right there. And considering a lot of music is made with the bumps and humps you talk about, intentionally, then the Oppo probably does a good job with that. [Another discussion all together, but I’ve always considered a smaller live acoustic band to be the only (or at least a small number of) situation(s) where “imaging” is actually real. Otherwise, audiophile stereo speaker imaging is basically a made up thing done by altering mixes and recordings to actually have it. It’s basically audiophile fakery done because it’s kind of neat and interesting. Audiophiles claim they want to hear everything in a recording, but I’d say that also means they want to hear things that aren’t really there either just to say they can. A live rock band, or a live classical orchestra (from a decent listening distance – not front row)) does not have what I consider “imaging.” Sound stage yes, but real imaging, like a fully acoustic 4 piece band in a smaller room might have, no way.] But until now the 105 sounded great to you. It’s not like the 105 had something else, and now the 205 has the Sabre. So you can’t really make that blanket statement. I’ve long thought our tastes were just different. As I’ve said, I don’t like Klipsch or Thiel sound, but you do. I find them honky, overly brash, and harsh. By your own definition the other day while talking about those big Klipsches, you admitted they had a “sound”, but that you didn’t mind it. To me that’s like vinyl guys saying they’d rather listen to a record with lots of pops and clicks than a perfectly clean CD. Completely opposite of me. The only time we kind of crossed paths is when you ended up liking the Def Tech 65s, and I certainly don’t consider those the best Def Techs. It’s these things that have had me wondering about the Tektons, because if you love them, I’m not sure I would. First of all, to me, B&W speakers and JBL’s do not have sonic signatures that are even remotely close to each other. Talk about different. I have no clue where you are coming from describing B&W speakers the way you do. We have dramatically different experiences. I have heard B&W models from their cheapest all the way up to the most expensive 800Ds, and the words I would use to describe them are ridiculously laid back, to the point of them being frustratingly boring. They most certainly don’t have over exaggerated highs and lows. They are just flat, flat, flat. They aren’t neutral though, they are below neutral. My wife’s exact words about the 800’s was “eh, they just sound like speakers. They don’t sound real at all.” So your description baffles me. As for the JBL’s, I’ve always considered them more as Rock N Roll type speakers, not fine music speakers. They are great hamburgers, but they aren’t filet mignon. (I happen to really like my little JBL Flip 3 for a small traveling speaker). It sounds to me that maybe you have liked the Oppo Sabre sound up to a point, but now it has gone farther than you like, not backwards, but forward in its original goal, and that’s more than you like. People discuss stereos all the time as being “systems,” like a team that must all work together to make the end result better than the sum of its parts. Perhaps the 205 just pushes your team too far? Since I do know the types of speakers you like, perhaps the Oppo just doesn’t jive well with the already very efficient Tektons, and would work better with speakers less sensitive? Just talking out loud. Even the 105 that you have admired for quite some time now? And you didn’t like the DC-1? Please don’t take what I’m saying above here as negative towards you. That’s not it. I’m certainly not defending the Oppo, which sounds like they most certainly have made changes. I just find what you say sometimes to be either the opposite of my experiences, or inconsistent with how you seem to like something here but not there, and it seems to change all the time. Anyway, you are right, it’s our money and our ears. But I’m going to stick to my original plan for now. Hopefully more people will chime in here with their opinions on this new player. It just would have been nice for it to have been more of a landslide win, like the 83SE, 95 and 105. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 20, 2017 16:09:19 GMT -5
What boom is describing he hears, and doesn't like, from the 205 I hear and don't like from the 95 or the 105. It's not as simple as a treble bump or an accentuated upper mid range, it's hard to find the right descriptors, Keith calls it "etchiness" which I can understand. On video there is what is often called "soap opera effect" and in some ways that's what I hear in Sabre DAC's, obviously some applications more than others. I haven't heard a 205 so I can make no comparison to its predecessors, but as per previous generations I'll go for the 203 and be totally happy.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by Boomzilla on Jun 20, 2017 20:43:54 GMT -5
Hi Bonzo - First, thanks for taking the time to write such a comprehensive and thoughtful response. I'll do my best to answer. So if appears it’s working properly, are you 100% positive there isn't some setting you have wrong? Second, people here are always so quick to jump down someone's throat for not calling Emotiva. So have you called Oppo to voice your disappointment? Have you called to discuss it with one of their engineers? If they refute what you are saying perhaps there "is" something wrong. If they say things that back your feelings, then you're right when you say personal taste then. Lastly, have you left this thing turned on for a long time without turning it off? I'm just wondering if it doesn't have some of the same issues the Schiit unit has, where Mr. Harley basically said it sounded horrible until he let it run for a month.... Yes, I've emailed Oppo. They concede that not everyone likes the "voicing." Yes, it's been on since I bought it and I'm certain that the settings are right. (airy sound) Which, until now, you seemed to like too, at least in the 105. Nope. I didn't really find the 105 bright at all (despite the fact that others did). I have no particular explanation of why. As for me, I have listened to a lot of amplified live music all my life. Totally acoustic, no. In the last 10 years I’ve also been exposed to quite a bit of classical being played by the Dayton Philharmonic, which is to say oh-na-tu-ral acoustic, but in a very well-tuned great acoustic venue. Chamber music, no. And this is why I think I tend to like the sound of speakers that do reproduce a live sort of sound. Hence my Def Techs, and my likes for Maggies and even Martin Logans. I have also really liked Dynaudio in this regards. I'd agree with all those speaker choices. ...But I would pick the live band, no doubt about it. (See my note about imaging below) Then both you and I are in the minority. ...audiophile stereo speaker imaging is basically a made up thing done by altering mixes and recordings to actually have it. It’s basically audiophile fakery done because it’s kind of neat and interesting. Audiophiles claim they want to hear everything in a recording, but I’d say that also means they want to hear things that aren’t really there either just to say they can. A live rock band, or a live classical orchestra (from a decent listening distance – not front row)) does not have what I consider “imaging.” Sound stage yes, but real imaging, like a fully acoustic 4 piece band in a smaller room might have, no way.] [/i][/quote] In many cases, you're right. But some discs were simply recorded and you can hear the original acoustic if your own room isn't interfering too much. To hear what's possible in artificial sound staging, listen to Madonna's "Immaculate" CD (recorded in Q-Sound). But until now the 105 sounded great to you. It’s not like the 105 had something else, and now the 205 has the Sabre. So you can’t really make that blanket statement. But indeed I can. The 105 (despite its Sabre chip set) never sounded half as bright as does the 205 with its new Sabre chipset. I’ve long thought our tastes were just different. As I’ve said, I don’t like Klipsch or Thiel sound, but you do. I find them honky, overly brash, and harsh. I don't like the majority of Klipsch's current products either. They sound significantly different from their "Heritage" speakers. The speakers I like most in Klipsch's lineup (and in fact the only ones I like) are, in order of preference the Klipschorn, the La Scala, and the Cornwall. The Heresy I can take or leave. ...B&W speakers and JBL’s do not have sonic signatures that are even remotely close to each other. Talk about different. I have no clue where you are coming from describing B&W speakers the way you do. We have dramatically different experiences. I have heard B&W models from their cheapest all the way up to the most expensive 800Ds, and the words I would use to describe them are ridiculously laid back, to the point of them being frustratingly boring. They most certainly don’t have over exaggerated highs and lows. They are just flat, flat, flat. They aren’t neutral though, they are below neutral. My wife’s exact words about the 800’s was “eh, they just sound like speakers. They don’t sound real at all.” So your description baffles me. As for the JBL’s, I’ve always considered them more as Rock N Roll type speakers, not fine music speakers. They are great hamburgers, but they aren’t filet mignon. (I happen to really like my little JBL Flip 3 for a small traveling speaker). The last B&Ws I heard were being fed from a Wadia CD player through some solid-state amps. They were bright & harsh to my ears. I've owned a bunch of JBLs over the years that have all been engineered for kicking bass, strong presence range, and hot treble. They're made for rock & roll which prompted the comments, back in the day, about the "New England sound" (AR, Advent, etc.) vs. the "West Coast sound (JBL, Altec, etc.). Now the Wadia might have been the source of the B&W's treble, but I doubt it. Too many others have described the B&W tweeters as "tizzy." ...Perhaps the 205 just pushes your team too far? Since I do know the types of speakers you like, perhaps the Oppo just doesn’t jive well with the already very efficient Tektons, and would work better with speakers less sensitive? Just talking out loud. I don't think that the efficiency has much to do with it. I've owned the Tektons long enough to be familiar with their sound. The 105 was a good match. The 205 isn't. Even the 105 that you have admired for quite some time now? And you didn’t like the DC-1? Yes - I've said it repeatedly and I meant what I said. The 105 was most admiration-worthy. The 205 just isn't. Please don’t take what I’m saying above here as negative towards you. That’s not it. I’m certainly not defending the Oppo, which sounds like they most certainly have made changes. I just find what you say sometimes to be either the opposite of my experiences, or inconsistent with how you seem to like something here but not there, and it seems to change all the time. No offense taken at all, Bonzo - As I said, we can disagree and I'll still respect you in the morning. LOL And if our tastes consistently disagree, then we're actually highly valuable to each other. If you hate a component, I'm sure to like it, and vice versa. But I've yet to be convinced that we have opposing tastes - we may just express ourselves differently (and in my case, certainly imperfectly). Cordially - Boom |
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Post by Bonzo on Jun 21, 2017 12:08:25 GMT -5
Yes, I've emailed Oppo. They concede that not everyone likes the "voicing." Well I guess there you have it. Not a great answer, but, an answer none the less. Perhaps it's because your silver one is better than the black ones most other people have?   Very true, if done that way. Perhaps more older recordings where multi-channel recording wasn't readily available? I mean today studio's use million channel recording devices with recordings made separately in isolated rooms to block bleed through. Do I have to? Sounds like punishment to me.  Madonna's family actually lived in my home town of Rochester Michigan. She was a little before my time, but I went to high school while her brother Mario was there. Got to meet Sean Penn one time at her house while they were a thing. But the music, not so much for me. A few songs here and there I can live with. I enjoy the Die Another Day James Bond song for example. Wow, half. That's a huge jump. Were you ever able to hear the 83SE or 95 prior to the 105? I'm curious if it was just the 105 that you love. Okay, cool, good to know the clarification. It could certainly be mismatched electronics. I don't remember then all, but I've heard B&W's with Classe, Rotel, Bryston, Krell, Naim, Pioneer, and some others. For me they have all been way too laid back for my tastes. I need some "jump" or liveliness" or perhaps "dynamics," and B&W just doesn't have it for me. The best by the way that I heard was some older 803's with a Bryston amp and an Arcam CD player. Well sounds like we agree on their purpose. And for that particular purpose I think they do pretty well. Unfortunately my tastes vary too much for just rock and roll speakers. But I love my little Flip 3 portable. Far from perfect sounding, but for what it is and what it does, it's terrific. The Flip 4 is out now and supposedly does even better. Perhaps not efficiency, but in other areas of speaker performance. Like maybe, as how I think B&W's are so dull sounding, the 205 might help make them acceptable for me. Let's just hope our wives don't find out. Exactly. I think that's part of the reason I find your opinions valuable. There are several other reasons too. Oh, I'd say I've got the imperfection down cold. Sometimes when I re-read my posts a few days later I'm like, what was I really trying to say there? Other times I nail it, but sometimes I'm way off base. Perhaps we are alike in that respect. There are just so many variables and nuances to speakers and sound etc, that it's nearly impossible to define it in words. Only if two people are in the same room listening together can real comparisons be drawn with each other. And then whats crazy about that, is when they totally disagree, like they are in different rooms or something. In a head to head one time my friend Angel and I couldn't have disagreed more between B&W and Def Tech. We both thought each other were crazy at the time. |
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Post by vneal on Jun 21, 2017 12:34:27 GMT -5
Here is what I have learned-the Boomer thinks all B&W speakers, JBL speakers and the new Oppo are voiced on the bright side. This may or may not be true. I would not lump all of any equipment into a generalization like that. I have B& W speakers and I like their sound. This is in a system costing $28K so it is hard to say is it the speakers, McIntosh amp or Emotiva processor?All I know is it sounds damn good. On the Oppo I purchased the 105D on its reputation . I find the video portion is excellent but to my ears the 105D rolls off the highs a bit. It replaced a Meridiam 508 that was magical on imaging. I wish I had that cd layer back. I am not a video nut but am with audio. I have a secondary system in a small dedicated 10 x14 room consisting of a Emo TA100 and Elac F5 speakers that I BT from a Apple phone mostly Spotify Premium. I call it my 1k system Most who hear it cannot believe the sound. I have early reflection sound traps to the lsides of each speakers and a bass trap in the listening corner.
It's a hobby and I think I can make most speakers sound good with a little care and set up
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Post by Boomzilla on Jun 21, 2017 16:38:24 GMT -5
Hi vneal - Sorry if I sounded like I was dumping on your B&W speakers. Some may well be better than others, but the ones I've heard sounded bright to me. This isn't the same as being excessively dynamic (as Bonzo pointed out). And I'm not even sure if "bright" is the right word. Via example: when I listen to cymbals on the old Klipsch La Scala speakers (with their vintage Electro-Voice T-35 horn tweeters), I hear very strongly the brass sound of the cymbals. The cymbal overtones are pretty much not there (at their best, the T-35s went up to about 12 KHz), but the brass is RIGHT. With the B&Ws I've heard, the "emphasis" is more on the overtones of the cymbals than on the fundamentals (the brass). So one could say that the B&Ws are definitely more extended in the treble, and far "airier" sounding than the T-35 horn tweeters. But the B&Ws lack the "real" sound of the cymbals' strike and its fundamental frequencies. Those frequencies are there on the B&W tweeters, but they're all but buried in the overtones. Do B&W tweeters have a treble peak or resonance in the high treble, or do the T-35 tweeters have a peak or resonance in the low treble? I don't know. But I think the T-35s sound the more realistic to my ears. YMMV - and since so many people really like B&W speakers, including their tweeters, then I'm probably (again) in the minority. But I can live with that. After all, I have owned and listened to both La Scala and B&W speakers and I'm sure of my preference. Cordially - Boomzilla |
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Post by vneal on Jun 21, 2017 18:28:41 GMT -5
Hi vneal - Sorry if I sounded like I was dumping on your B&W speakers. Some may well be better than others, but the ones I've heard sounded bright to me. This isn't the same as being excessively dynamic (as Bonzo pointed out). And I'm not even sure if "bright" is the right word. Via example: when I listen to cymbals on the old Klipsch La Scala speakers (with their vintage Electro-Voice T-35 horn tweeters), I hear very strongly the brass sound of the cymbals. The cymbal overtones are pretty much not there (at their best, the T-35s went up to about 12 KHz), but the brass is RIGHT. With the B&Ws I've heard, the "emphasis" is more on the overtones of the cymbals than on the fundamentals (the brass). So one could say that the B&Ws are definitely more extended in the treble, and far "airier" sounding than the T-35 horn tweeters. But the B&Ws lack the "real" sound of the cymbals' strike and its fundamental frequencies. Those frequencies are there on the B&W tweeters, but they're all but buried in the overtones. Do B&W tweeters have a treble peak or resonance in the high treble, or do the T-35 tweeters have a peak or resonance in the low treble? I don't know. But I think the T-35s sound the more realistic to my ears. YMMV - and since so many people really like B&W speakers, including their tweeters, then I'm probably (again) in the minority. But I can live with that. After all, I have owned and listened to both La Scala and B&W speakers and I'm sure of my preference. Cordially - Boomzilla I too have owned LaScallas and B&W and while I find no real fault with the LaScallas(except no bass to speak of) I really don't consider them a modern speaker. More of a nostalgic speaker that is super super dynamic-- LOUD. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Jun 24, 2017 5:02:43 GMT -5
And back to the Oppo UDP-205 - Today garbulky and I listened to both the DAC in the Lyngdorf (DAC model unknown) and the DACs in the Oppo (playing via Audio-Return-Channel (ARC) via HDMI via the Samsung TV). There was NO contest. The Oppo sounded worse (and by no small margin). Now in defense of the Oppo: The ARC is an unknown in terms of sound quality When the Oppo puts out analog audio (which is how we were using it) then it has to undergo AD/DA conversion AGAIN at the inputs of the Lyngdorf. The YouTube videos being watched were of unknown sound quality. Since the Lyngdorf lacks any conventional "power amp inputs," the Oppo's analog output can't be used directly. Now I've also listened to the Oppo's outputs directly into my Emotiva BasX A300 power amp, and was not impressed that sound either (too bright). Now all along, I've been blaming the Oppo's new Sabre DAC for the brightness that I hear, but the source of that brightness could have also been: The interface between the Oppo's analog output impedance and the A300's input impedance. The interface between the A300s output impedance and the Tekton Pendragon speakers. But the fact is that when playing any digital input of the Lyngdorf (without previous conversions in my system), I don't get any brightness. When ANY analog output of the Oppo is being used, I do. It may be fair to say that I'm no longer a Sabre DAC man... |
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Post by neekos on Jun 24, 2017 12:52:26 GMT -5
Boom, with all due respect, you couldn't cripple the Oppo any worse than how you set it up for that comparison. The extra conversions going on are going to negate the strengths of the unit.
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Post by Boomzilla on Jun 24, 2017 13:33:20 GMT -5
I agree totally, neekos - It wasn't a fair comparison. But I have (and recently) run the analog outs from the Oppo directly into the Emotiva BasX A300 stereo power amp. Same result - bright & unpleasant sound. I know that the A-300 / speaker combo doesn't sound that way, because when I was feeding that combo from the PT-100 preamp, it sounded sweet. Now there are differences still: The Oppo is using digital volume control, the PT-100, analog. The input impedance of the PT-100 is likely higher than that of the A-300, 47K ohms for the preamp (guessing?) vs. 27K ohms for the amp. Inexpensive chip output buffers don't like driving lower impedances (requires more current). But I also tried the new Oppo's analog outputs into the (VERY high impedance - 300K ohms) input of the VTA ST-120 tube amp, and things STILL sounded bright. I'm going to give the Oppo's analog outputs one (and only one) more chance: I'll use the bass management and volume control of the Oppo - keeping the Lyngdorf completely out of the signal path. I'll connect the Oppo to the (easy to drive) Heathkit 12W tube mono blocks, and I'll use the Oppo's mono subwoofer signal to drive the PowerSound. If it can't sound good with that combo, then it is every bit as wretched-sounding as I've been beginning to suspect. So to sum up - I've yet to get high end sound from the Oppo UDP-205's analog outputs. No combination I've tried has worked. I'm suspecting that the new Sabre DAC is the core of the problem, but I could be wrong. I'll post again after the upcoming trial. |
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Post by garbulky on Jun 24, 2017 14:23:10 GMT -5
I agree totally, neekos - It wasn't a fair comparison. But I have (and recently) run the analog outs from the Oppo directly into the Emotiva BasX A300 stereo power amp. Same result - bright & unpleasant sound. I know that the A-300 / speaker combo doesn't sound that way, because when I was feeding that combo from the PT-100 preamp, it sounded sweet. Now there are differences still: The Oppo is using digital volume control, the PT-100, analog. The input impedance of the PT-100 is likely higher than that of the A-300, 47K ohms for the preamp (guessing?) vs. 27K ohms for the amp. Inexpensive chip output buffers don't like driving lower impedances (requires more current). But I also tried the new Oppo's analog outputs into the (VERY high impedance - 300K ohms) input of the VTA ST-120 tube amp, and things STILL sounded bright. I'm going to give the Oppo's analog outputs one (and only one) more chance: I'll use the bass management and volume control of the Oppo - keeping the Lyngdorf completely out of the signal path. I'll connect the Oppo to the (easy to drive) Heathkit 12W tube mono blocks, and I'll use the Oppo's mono subwoofer signal to drive the PowerSound. If it can't sound good with that combo, then it is every bit as wretched-sounding as I've been beginning to suspect. So to sum up - I've yet to get high end sound from the Oppo UDP-205's analog outputs. No combination I've tried has worked. I'm suspecting that the new Sabre DAC is the core of the problem, but I could be wrong. I'll post again after the upcoming trial. The Oppo 203 is the same as the 205 without the higher quality analog section. It still has one but not as high quality as the 205. Now the difference is the price. $1300 vs $560 for the Oppo 203. You could get 2 of the Oppo 203 for the price of one Oppo 205. So if you find the analog section awful, you can return it, sell it and get the 203 for a some good savings and just use the DAC you like instead. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Jun 24, 2017 14:42:11 GMT -5
Not today.
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Post by garbulky on Jun 24, 2017 15:11:09 GMT -5
I hope not! The weather is awful! |
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Post by Perpendicular on Nov 11, 2017 12:47:34 GMT -5
With the latest public beta firmware, we are now able to play MQA files with our UDP-205.  |
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Post by novisnick on Nov 11, 2017 13:17:10 GMT -5
With the latest public beta firmware, we are now able to play MQA files with our UDP-205. I didn’t find anything on this. If true Oppo is stepping up. Any information about adding it to the UDP-203? Emotiva may need to look at MQA again! Big player finding value in MQA! Not a question anymore! 😁👍 |
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Post by Perpendicular on Nov 11, 2017 15:17:34 GMT -5
No. This is a public beta released yesterday. There is no description of what’s in the release like their official firmware releases. I’ve tested it with 2L sample files for the past several days and they seem to play okay with no problems. Though, I did find a problem playing them via the iOS MediaControl app and I’ve reported that in testing. People over on AVS are reporting finding that their Tidal MQA files are playing. YMMV |
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Post by goodfellas27 on Nov 11, 2017 23:29:25 GMT -5
I just capped the Oppo for its DAC and MQA
sorry Emo, not waiting any longer
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