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Post by Axis on Aug 18, 2017 1:01:55 GMT -5
Takes awhile to get used to speakers. Break in is bull crap.
My T2's have excellent wide dispersion. After all kinds of places and positions they are level with little toe. Let the speakers do there thing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 1:19:24 GMT -5
Takes awhile to get used to speakers. Break in is bull crap. My T2's have excellent wide dispersion. After all kinds of places and positions they are level with little toe. Let the speakers do there thing. Don't forget to check out your local weather report for the humidity level!
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Post by Axis on Aug 18, 2017 1:25:02 GMT -5
Takes awhile to get used to speakers. Break in is bull crap. My T2's have excellent wide dispersion. After all kinds of places and positions they are level with little toe. Let the speakers do there thing. Don't forget to check out your local weather report for the humidity level! High humidity is making my T2's low and slow Chuckie ! I like it that way !
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Post by klinemj on Aug 18, 2017 1:46:05 GMT -5
I do look forward to hearing the T2's at Emofest!
Mark
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Post by Axis on Aug 18, 2017 2:06:42 GMT -5
I do look forward to hearing the T2's at Emofest! Mark They are big speakers Mark. I have been waiting on big speakers that do not cost big for two channel. I may go with two T1's and C2 for front channels of a surround system because surround goes low with movie effect sounds and I do not like things too low. Two channel music does not have the same lows and I do not like to make the artificial lows with a sub for two channel music. That may sound strange but that is how I see it. The T2's bring a big sound stage to music with low volume. I am not a bass head and want only bass to compliment the music. A movie makes more bass with my little Sony's than I want sometimes but the Sony's did not bring the bass to music like I wanted. The T2's do.
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Post by klinemj on Aug 18, 2017 2:25:33 GMT -5
I do look forward to hearing the T2's at Emofest! Mark They are big speakers Mark. I have been waiting on big speakers that do not cost big for two channel. I may go with two T1's and C2 for front channels of a surround system because surround goes low with movie effect sounds and I do not like things too low. Two channel music does not have the same lows and I do not like to make the artificial lows with a sub for two channel music. That may sound strange but that is how I see it. The T2's bring a big sound stage to music with low volume. I am not a bass head and want only bass to compliment the music. A movie makes more bass with my little Sony's than I want sometimes but the Sony's did not bring the bass to music like I wanted. The T2's do. I also don't like overwhelming bass on 2 channel...powerful and natural sounding, but not the big lows some want. While I do often use a sub in my 2 channel, it's subtle...just feathered in to help the low end on my Maggies. And, it sounds delightful that way! Mark
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Post by Axis on Aug 18, 2017 2:36:22 GMT -5
They are big speakers Mark. I have been waiting on big speakers that do not cost big for two channel. I may go with two T1's and C2 for front channels of a surround system because surround goes low with movie effect sounds and I do not like things too low. Two channel music does not have the same lows and I do not like to make the artificial lows with a sub for two channel music. That may sound strange but that is how I see it. The T2's bring a big sound stage to music with low volume. I am not a bass head and want only bass to compliment the music. A movie makes more bass with my little Sony's than I want sometimes but the Sony's did not bring the bass to music like I wanted. The T2's do. I also don't like overwhelming bass on 2 channel...powerful and natural sounding, but not the big lows some want. While I do often use a sub in my 2 channel, it's subtle...just feathered in to help the low end on my Maggies. And, it sounds delightful that way! Mark Rory did a good job with the crossover for the midrange driver. I do not hear the folded ribbon tweeter the same as I do at close range with my Airmotiv 5 monitors. It is the midrange driver on the T2 towers that bring the tone to the show. Not saying the tweeter is slacking. The tweeter is smooth and disappears like it should.
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Post by Axis on Aug 18, 2017 2:56:44 GMT -5
Problem is I do not want to spend $4100 for an XMC-1 and XPA-5 for surround pre and amp. Problem is that is the best price there is out there for good separates. I would not buy anything less than an XMC-1 and XPA-5 performance for surround pre and amp separates. I want to see a excellent performing surround pre and amp for less than that. I could pay $4100 for it but my cheap ass mind refuses to do it when I can get five excellent performing surround speakers for $1500. Used to be you spent 50% on the speakers. Someone at Emotiva needs to convince me different and they have not. Maybe after they make enough from the high dollar gear they will make some good low dollar gear.
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Post by geebo on Aug 18, 2017 6:58:41 GMT -5
I also don't like overwhelming bass on 2 channel...powerful and natural sounding, but not the big lows some want. While I do often use a sub in my 2 channel, it's subtle...just feathered in to help the low end on my Maggies. And, it sounds delightful that way! Mark Rory did a good job with the crossover for the midrange driver. I do not hear the folded ribbon tweeter the same as I do at close range with my Airmotiv 5 monitors. It is the midrange driver on the T2 towers that bring the tone to the show. Not saying the tweeter is slacking. The tweeter is smooth and disappears like it should. Yes, the transition from midrange to tweeter is very well handled in the T2.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 11:40:30 GMT -5
Takes awhile to get used to speakers. Break in is bull crap. I could not disagree more. I have heard AND measured the effects of loudspeaker break-in. Loudspeakers are mechanical devices with flexible components, and those components do undergo changes through the first part of their flex life. The best way to break in a woofer or subwoofer is to give it a low frequency signal (~15-20 Hz) of significant drive level, about 10-20 volts RMS, so that the woofer is moving visibly but not making noises (or smells) of distress, and the amplifier is not overheating or clipping, and then let the system play that way for 24 hours. If the noise is excessive, you can connect one speaker out-of-phase. The system should be monitored during this period for signs of distress. After that 24 hours, further changes in suspension compliance are pretty minimal, but subtle improvements will continue to be heard through the midrange and tweeter until the speaker has reached about 100 hours of play time. The folded ribbon takes a chill pill, and the midrange becomes slightly smoother and more liquid. The T2 speakers in particular experience dramatic changes due to woofer suspension break-in; the upper bass (above 100 Hz) is diminished by about 2 dB, and the lower bass (below 100 Hz) rises about 1.5 dB, with the overall system becoming more balanced and better matched to the boundary and pressurization gain profile in most rooms - you will hear more 'deep' bass. So the above process is well worth doing with T2s. You may need to run Dirac or your other room correction process again after the speakers fully break in for the best possible results; I would advise doing so after completing the above woofer break-in process, then again after 100 hours of play.
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Post by beardedalbatross on Aug 18, 2017 13:31:30 GMT -5
Takes awhile to get used to speakers. Break in is bull crap. I could not disagree more. I have heard AND measured the effects of loudspeaker break-in. Loudspeakers are mechanical devices with flexible components, and those components do undergo changes through the first part of their flex life. The best way to break in a woofer or subwoofer is to give it a low frequency signal (~15-20 Hz) of significant drive level, about 10-20 volts RMS, so that the woofer is moving visibly but not making noises (or smells) of distress, and the amplifier is not overheating or clipping, and then let the system play that way for 24 hours. If the noise is excessive, you can connect one speaker out-of-phase. The system should be monitored during this period for signs of distress. After that 24 hours, further changes in suspension compliance are pretty minimal, but subtle improvements will continue to be heard through the midrange and tweeter until the speaker has reached about 100 hours of play time. The folded ribbon takes a chill pill, and the midrange becomes slightly smoother and more liquid. The T2 speakers in particular experience dramatic changes due to woofer suspension break-in; the upper bass (above 100 Hz) is diminished by about 2 dB, and the lower bass (below 100 Hz) rises about 1.5 dB, with the overall system becoming more balanced and better matched to the boundary and pressurization gain profile in most rooms - you will hear more 'deep' bass. So the above process is well worth doing with T2s. You may need to run Dirac or your other room correction process again after the speakers fully break in for the best possible results; I would advise doing so after completing the above woofer break-in process, then again after 100 hours of play. I am extremely skeptical. Have you published any of this?
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Post by garbulky on Aug 18, 2017 13:38:29 GMT -5
I could not disagree more. I have heard AND measured the effects of loudspeaker break-in. Loudspeakers are mechanical devices with flexible components, and those components do undergo changes through the first part of their flex life. The best way to break in a woofer or subwoofer is to give it a low frequency signal (~15-20 Hz) of significant drive level, about 10-20 volts RMS, so that the woofer is moving visibly but not making noises (or smells) of distress, and the amplifier is not overheating or clipping, and then let the system play that way for 24 hours. If the noise is excessive, you can connect one speaker out-of-phase. The system should be monitored during this period for signs of distress. After that 24 hours, further changes in suspension compliance are pretty minimal, but subtle improvements will continue to be heard through the midrange and tweeter until the speaker has reached about 100 hours of play time. The folded ribbon takes a chill pill, and the midrange becomes slightly smoother and more liquid. The T2 speakers in particular experience dramatic changes due to woofer suspension break-in; the upper bass (above 100 Hz) is diminished by about 2 dB, and the lower bass (below 100 Hz) rises about 1.5 dB, with the overall system becoming more balanced and better matched to the boundary and pressurization gain profile in most rooms - you will hear more 'deep' bass. So the above process is well worth doing with T2s. You may need to run Dirac or your other room correction process again after the speakers fully break in for the best possible results; I would advise doing so after completing the above woofer break-in process, then again after 100 hours of play. I am extremely skeptical. Have you published any of this? He designed these speakers. He's also designed several other speakers. Dude knows what he's doing.
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Post by beardedalbatross on Aug 18, 2017 17:26:30 GMT -5
I am extremely skeptical. Have you published any of this? He designed these speakers. He's also designed several other speakers. Dude knows what he's doing. I know who he is. Which is why I inquired. If a rando posts about speaker break-in I let them believe whatever they want, but Rory's take actually interests me.
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Post by vneal on Aug 18, 2017 17:59:08 GMT -5
I do look forward to hearing the T2's at Emofest! Mark They are big speakers Mark. I have been waiting on big speakers that do not cost big for two channel. I may go with two T1's and C2 for front channels of a surround system because surround goes low with movie effect sounds and I do not like things too low. Two channel music does not have the same lows and I do not like to make the artificial lows with a sub for two channel music. That may sound strange but that is how I see it. The T2's bring a big sound stage to music with low volume. I am not a bass head and want only bass to compliment the music. A movie makes more bass with my little Sony's than I want sometimes but the Sony's did not bring the bass to music like I wanted. The T2's do. I agree with sub for HT and not 2ch
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Post by novisnick on Aug 18, 2017 18:08:42 GMT -5
He designed these speakers. He's also designed several other speakers. Dude knows what he's doing. I know who he is. Which is why I inquired. If a rando posts about speaker break-in I let them believe whatever they want, but Rory's take actually interests me. My Paradigm Studio 100's took about 6 months to sound as the do today, couple of years later. Its real, a mechanical system reaching its optimal point.
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Post by knucklehead on Aug 18, 2017 19:20:20 GMT -5
I gotta quit reading these new speaker threads. Makes me want to hit the 'buy' button! Sounds like Emotiva have yet another winner on their hands - and I'm not surprised. I owned the ERTs for 5 years and was quite happy with them.
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Post by hemster on Aug 18, 2017 20:01:40 GMT -5
I gotta quit reading these new speaker threads. Makes me want to hit the 'buy' button! Sounds like Emotiva have yet another winner on their hands - and I'm not surprised. I owned the ERTs for 5 years and was quite happy with them.
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Post by Axis on Aug 18, 2017 20:53:00 GMT -5
Takes awhile to get used to speakers. Break in is bull crap. I could not disagree more. I have heard AND measured the effects of loudspeaker break-in. Loudspeakers are mechanical devices with flexible components, and those components do undergo changes through the first part of their flex life. The best way to break in a woofer or subwoofer is to give it a low frequency signal (~15-20 Hz) of significant drive level, about 10-20 volts RMS, so that the woofer is moving visibly but not making noises (or smells) of distress, and the amplifier is not overheating or clipping, and then let the system play that way for 24 hours. If the noise is excessive, you can connect one speaker out-of-phase. The system should be monitored during this period for signs of distress. After that 24 hours, further changes in suspension compliance are pretty minimal, but subtle improvements will continue to be heard through the midrange and tweeter until the speaker has reached about 100 hours of play time. The folded ribbon takes a chill pill, and the midrange becomes slightly smoother and more liquid. The T2 speakers in particular experience dramatic changes due to woofer suspension break-in; the upper bass (above 100 Hz) is diminished by about 2 dB, and the lower bass (below 100 Hz) rises about 1.5 dB, with the overall system becoming more balanced and better matched to the boundary and pressurization gain profile in most rooms - you will hear more 'deep' bass. So the above process is well worth doing with T2s. You may need to run Dirac or your other room correction process again after the speakers fully break in for the best possible results; I would advise doing so after completing the above woofer break-in process, then again after 100 hours of play. I'm not doing this Rory and human memory does not allow for you to remember differences from the first time new speakers are used and days after use. I have been a meat and potato's mechanic all my life Rory and it is simple science that a butyl rubber speaker surround is going to loosen after short period of flexing. If it sounds better after some use then cool. I have never heard a speaker change after use unless I damaged them in use. Dramatic changes ? Are you going to listen to the same low frequency signal over and over again for two days along with your measuring microphone recording those signals so you can prove it ? You get used to speakers and it takes awhile. I mean a good while. Just like a new beer.
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Post by Axis on Aug 18, 2017 21:08:58 GMT -5
I can see people blowing there woofers now trying to do this.
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Post by Axis on Aug 18, 2017 21:28:50 GMT -5
I have an idea for you @roryb. Do this break in procedure for Emotiva speakers at a extra cost.
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