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Post by Jim on Aug 2, 2017 16:48:55 GMT -5
Well looks like v3 HDMI board got delayed, again!!! The new ETA is Q4 2017 as showed on this link: emotiva.com/xmc-1-enhancementsThe Atmos board still shows Late Summer 2017 but either way you will need the v3 HDMI board for the Atmos upgrade to work. Curious if maybe the v3 board is also being developed for use in the RMC-1.... Just thinking in terms of other factors that can cumulatively cause a delay.
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Post by LCSeminole on Aug 2, 2017 18:04:15 GMT -5
I'm almost positive that Dan said in a PodCast that the v3 HDMI board will be the used for both the XMC-1 upgrade and RMC-1.
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Post by doc1963 on Aug 2, 2017 18:22:26 GMT -5
I'm almost positive that Dan said in a PodCast that the v3 HDMI board will be the used for both the XMC-1 upgrade and RMC-1. You're correct. He's mentioned through various sources that the HDMI board would be used for both. Now, it's my hope that with yet another delay, the final release includes support for Dolby Vision pass-through. At this stage, support for HDR-10 alone isn't good enough...
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Post by LCSeminole on Aug 2, 2017 18:59:36 GMT -5
I'm almost positive that Dan said in a PodCast that the v3 HDMI board will be the used for both the XMC-1 upgrade and RMC-1. You're correct. He's mentioned through various sources that the HDMI board would be used for both. Now, it's my hope that with yet another delay, the final release includes support for Dolby Vision pass-through. At this stage, support for HDR-10 alone isn't good enough... One would think that since the metadata is embedded into the video signal, that simply passing this signal through a switcher that is at least HDMI v1.4b capable, to a display with a Dolby Vision processor would be easy peasy. Apparently though, this is not as easily said than done. Is it a requirement that each manufacturer have software working in unison with the HDMI switching hardware(like the aforementioned v3 board) to be able to pass a Dolby Vision metadata stream? I only ask because I don't seem to be able to get a straight answer from anyone, and I've not yet seen a white paper that answers this straight-away either.
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Post by LCSeminole on Aug 2, 2017 19:19:45 GMT -5
Well according this artcile on WhatHiFi, software and hardware solutions are two distinct solutions for passing Dolby Vision's dynamic metadata stream. This is the most up-to-date article I've read on this subject just published two weeks ago. Very interesting to note that Samsung partnered with Amazon has developed HDR10 plus, another way to stream dynamic metadata that competes directly with Dolby Vision. www.whathifi.com/advice/dolby-vision-hdr-everything-you-need-to-know
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Post by LCSeminole on Aug 2, 2017 20:17:37 GMT -5
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Post by socketman on Aug 2, 2017 20:58:24 GMT -5
WTH now its october , SSDD
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Post by teaman on Aug 2, 2017 21:07:26 GMT -5
WTH now its october , SSDD Didn't specify what year either...
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Post by socketman on Aug 2, 2017 21:10:48 GMT -5
I was expecting criticism , thanks for your honesty and forward thinking
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Post by doc1963 on Aug 2, 2017 22:54:21 GMT -5
One would think that since the metadata is embedded into the video signal, that simply passing this signal through a switcher that is at least HDMI v1.4b capable, to a display with a Dolby Vision processor would be easy peasy. Apparently though, this is not as easily said than done. Is it a requirement that each manufacturer have software working in unison with the HDMI switching hardware(like the aforementioned v3 board) to be able to pass a Dolby Vision metadata stream? I only ask because I don't seem to be able to get a straight answer from anyone, and I've not yet seen a white paper that answers this straight-away either. There must be a tethered solution (either by software or SoC) between the source and sink to "decode" Dolby Vision's dynamic metadata, but a switcher's ability to simply pass the encoded data should be programmable within the firmware. You are right, though, there isn't much information available to get a firm answer. Since Anthem already has a firmware update that has been confirmed to pass Dolby Vision, we can only assume that it is, indeed, possible. Anthem actually released the firmware for download and quickly took it down. It's rumored that they had to pull it because Dolby hadn't yet given them the "green light". The fortunate few who were able to download it before it was pulled say it works fine. Now, since Anthem has already (somewhat) delivered and Yamaha, Denon and Marantz have all committed to firmware updates (for their products that contain an HDMI 2.0a board) later this year, I can assume that Emotiva can offer the same capabilities on a 2.0b board that, supposedly, no one else has. I guess we'll have to wait to see...
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Post by cwt on Aug 3, 2017 5:36:41 GMT -5
Well according this artcile on WhatHiFi, software and hardware solutions are two distinct solutions for passing Dolby Vision's dynamic metadata stream. This is the most up-to-date article I've read on this subject just published two weeks ago. Very interesting to note that Samsung partnered with Amazon has developed HDR10 plus, another way to stream dynamic metadata that competes directly with Dolby Vision. I found what Keith said below about passing DV rather than decoding it [ requiring licensing] to be encouraging Re the article ; As long as your panels got plenty of processing capability in its fpga's a DV firmware is possible ; as Sony has sprung out of the blue As doc intimates the RMC1 has plenty of processing power to do a software passthrough.. we'll see.. emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/886348/threadThat was for the v3 hdmi board I perceived ; end of the year for the rmc1 +/- your best guess
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Post by alucard on Aug 3, 2017 8:23:15 GMT -5
I am gearing up (HDR/DV capable stuff) and was ready for this board to be released in a couple weeks. Needless to say, the delay is a disappointment. I more concerned what the ETA will be changed to when Q4 rolls around.
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Post by cwt on Aug 3, 2017 12:45:30 GMT -5
I am gearing up (HDR/DV capable stuff) and was ready for this board to be released in a couple weeks. Needless to say, the delay is a disappointment. I more concerned what the ETA will be changed to when Q4 rolls around. I think its a factor of getting the boards to communicate . The logistics of doing 2 simultaneous pcb jobs to 1 chassis is helpful for time management I imagine too. Now the atmos board is available there should be clear sailing I hope - relatively
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Post by mattfaske on Aug 3, 2017 13:53:45 GMT -5
Really getting antsy here... I don't know if I can wait until End of Year - or beyond. I need an upgrade and I need it bad! Plan B was to find a slightly used Marantz, Anthem or the like and use it until the new HDMI board and Atmos are available. Plan B is looking better all the time. My worry is that I will become complacent with whatever I get and never make the Emotiva switchover. TALK ME OUT OF IT!!!
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Post by doc1963 on Aug 3, 2017 14:14:39 GMT -5
Really getting antsy here... I don't know if I can wait until End of Year - or beyond. I need an upgrade and I need it bad! Plan B was to find a slightly used Marantz, Anthem or the like and use it until the new HDMI board and Atmos are available. Plan B is looking better all the time. My worry is that I will become complacent with whatever I get and never make the Emotiva switchover. TALK ME OUT OF IT!!! What are your current needs...? If you can get by without support for Dolby Vision (until later this year), then THIS will work quite well. It does far more than the MC-700 (including native DSD support) and costs far less. It's a Yamaha Factory Refurbished unit, but comes with a one year warranty. A firmware update for Dolby Vision support for this unit has been confirmed by Yamaha and will arrive later this year. Considering it features 7.2 channel pre-outs, you're all set...
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Post by novisnick on Aug 3, 2017 14:15:38 GMT -5
Really getting antsy here... I don't know if I can wait until End of Year - or beyond. I need an upgrade and I need it bad! Plan B was to find a slightly used Marantz, Anthem or the like and use it until the new HDMI board and Atmos are available. Plan B is looking better all the time. My worry is that I will become complacent with whatever I get and never make the Emotiva switchover. TALK ME OUT OF IT!!! Easy job my friend! I wanted to maximize my return on my XMC-1, best processor Ive ever owned, so I sold it at minimum loss anticipating the release of either of Emotivas newest processors. It seems that ive miscalculated 😢 And will have an even longer wait. In the interim I have a wonderful Yamaha Avantage 3020 That will do untill the release. Notrilled but wlpurchase the new Emotiva processor when available. With no regrets of putting the Yamaha in a secondary system.
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Post by rbk123 on Aug 3, 2017 14:28:03 GMT -5
' Life's too short to wait. Get something you can enjoy now and revisit later.
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Post by mattfaske on Aug 3, 2017 21:35:46 GMT -5
I currently have a UMC-1, but recently upgraded to 4k video... so the lack of HDCP2.2 and no Audio Return Channel support has made the UMC suddenly very obsolete. A quality 7.1 processor with HDMI2/HDCP2.2 compatibility would make me happy again, but ideally I would really like to move on to an even more immersive Atmos/DTS-X config. I was really hoping the next gen of XMC would be here soon... but I might just have to settle for something to tide me over in the interium.
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Post by doc1963 on Aug 3, 2017 22:10:23 GMT -5
I currently have a UMC-1, but recently upgraded to 4k video... so the lack of HDCP2.2 and no Audio Return Channel support has made the UMC suddenly very obsolete. A quality 7.1 processor with HDMI2/HDCP2.2 compatibility would make me happy again, but ideally I would really like to move on to an even more immersive Atmos/DTS-X config. I was really hoping the next gen of XMC would be here soon... but I might just have to settle for something to tide me over in the interium. Understood.... So, if you're open to the idea of using an AVR as a pre/pro, the Yamaha receiver I've linked to above checks all of you're boxes including support for a basic (5.1.2) Atmos/DTS-X setup as well as support for Dolby Vision coming later this year. I've just installed one of these for a friend who has it mated to my old XPA-5. It's actually a really nice little unit. I've owned the UMC-1 and know the unit quite well. This would be a worthwhile upgrade for you. It might even get you farther down the road than you might think. For a little over $400, it's certainly worthy of some serious consideration...
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Post by ÈlTwo on Aug 3, 2017 22:12:52 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the two board combo will be ready for my birthday, which will make it easy to decide on a present for myself.
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