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Post by audiobliss on Mar 5, 2017 20:25:34 GMT -5
I have been thinking about getting one for a long time. There is still a few things on this Gen 2 that I am not crazy about.
So, anybody knows if there is a Gen 3 in the works.
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Post by Casey Leedom on Mar 5, 2017 21:27:23 GMT -5
Hhmmm, why don't you outline what you'd like to see different? That would give the Emotiva designers something to chew on ...
Casey
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Post by vcautokid on Mar 6, 2017 0:04:10 GMT -5
I am going to second that. Suggestions on what you like, and would like to see in the XSP-1 that would make it complete for you. You never know. Maybe someone, or others are curious too. I think the XSP-1 is an amazing Preamplifier already. There is a YouTube video Emotiva did on the XSP-1 a while back. I invite you to give the video a view. It might clear up some things that may concern you. Or at the very least give some additional understanding of the XSP-1 Gen 2.
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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 6, 2017 10:37:12 GMT -5
I'll list my XSP-3 requests:
1. Built in DAC with DLNA over Ethernet input capability
2. Digital bass management without additional D-A, A-D conversions
3. MQA capability - software download is acceptable, but hardware is preferred
4. Switch for driving "low-impedance" (5 to 15K) solid state amps AND for driving "high-impedance" (300K) tube amps
5. Sound quality equal to the PT-100
Others will have their own preferences (NONE of which will match mine) - but that's what me, myself, and I would like to have in the next Generation Emotiva flagship stereo preamp.
Boomzilla
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Post by Casey Leedom on Mar 6, 2017 11:45:59 GMT -5
Boom, you bring up DLNA streaming. Have you had any luck in getting DLNA Servers to stream high-resolution DSD, etc. files to a DLNA Client without converting them? A friend of mine who's gone over-the-top with DSD, etc. files gave up on DLNA because he couldn't get any of the DLNA Servers that he tried to send the data in native High-Resolution Format. (Plus all of the User Interfaces he tried sucked.) This experience is what led him down the road to trying Roon (which he loves).
I'm beginning to think that what we need is just a simple, not-too-expensive, easy-to-use "Streaming Module" which has Ethernet on one side and USB and S/PDIF (optical/coax) on the other. I've been hoping that this would just be built into things like the RMC-1, etc. but I understand the desire not to add complication and cost ... and that it really does require a separate CPU/OS to avoid impact to the main Real-Time OS running the processors. I.e. something like the Sonore microRendu but not as pointlessly expensive ($600 for the equivalent of a Raspberry Pi, a digital audio board, and a cheesy case is a bit much).
But of course, then you have to pick DLNA, or Roon, or Squeeze Client, or, or, or ... Or maybe not. I suppose since such a Streaming Module wouldn't have any other purpose it could simply run all the popular digital media servers ...
Casey
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Post by doc1963 on Mar 6, 2017 11:51:46 GMT -5
Unlike Boomzilla's ideas, I would like the next generation of Emotiva's flagship ANALOG preamp to pretty much remain as it is (especially the "all analog" part)...  ... with the exception of: - two subwoofer inputs for HT Bypass - HT Bypass "active" while unit is in standby - If preceding isn't achievable, then automatic "all lights off" while in HT Bypass mode. For me, that's it...  |
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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 6, 2017 12:39:46 GMT -5
DLNA can be problematic IF you're trying newer formats / speeds. But it's the best way I've found to get music from one end of the house to another beyond wi-fi ranges.
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Post by Casey Leedom on Mar 6, 2017 13:02:55 GMT -5
Okay, so your experience with DLNA and newer High-Resolution formats mirrors that of my friend. Good to know that it wasn't just him smoking rope ... :-)
Casey
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Post by mfeust on Mar 6, 2017 14:49:21 GMT -5
I'll list my XSP-3 requests: 1. Built in DAC with DLNA over Ethernet input capability 2. Digital bass management without additional D-A, A-D conversions 3. MQA capability - software download is acceptable, but hardware is preferred 4. Switch for driving "low-impedance" (5 to 15K) solid state amps AND for driving "high-impedance" (300K) tube amps 5. Sound quality equal to the PT-100 Others will have their own preferences (NONE of which will match mine) - but that's what me, myself, and I would like to have in the next Generation Emotiva flagship stereo preamp. Boomzilla To me this would be called the DSP-1. As usual some of your opinions totally baffle me. Number 5 as an example. Mark |
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Post by Gary Cook on Mar 6, 2017 15:43:50 GMT -5
There is only one single thing that I would like change in my XSP-1 and that's HT bypass when in standby. Otherwise it does everything that I want, brilliantly.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 6, 2017 17:28:43 GMT -5
...5. Sound quality equal to the PT-100... To me this would be called the DSP-1. As usual some of your opinions totally baffle me. Number 5 as an example. Mark No problemo! Some of my opinions baffle ME! LOL Number 5 isn't a typo, though - I've listened to the PT-100 in some snazzy systems, and to my ears, it sounds better (more open, airy, and transparent) than the XSP-1. Others may or may not agree, but that don't befun' me none - I say what I hear. YMMV Boom |
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Post by audiobliss on Mar 6, 2017 23:29:12 GMT -5
Hhmmm, why don't you outline what you'd like to see different? That would give the Emotiva designers something to chew on ... Casey They just need to replace those crappy crossover pots on the rear, with better quality ones with nobs. Then the addition of a dac and Bluetooth streaming capability would help me get rid of those extra boxes and wires. Those are not much to ask, they could even charge a couple hundred more, I would pay it. |
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Post by RichGuy on Mar 7, 2017 2:23:10 GMT -5
The XSP series should remain pure analog. Those wanting otherwise should either go with a processor or request a new series model that has combined digital features.
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Post by vcautokid on Mar 7, 2017 10:37:54 GMT -5
The XSP-1 is analog to the core. The XMC-1 or MC-700 are fantastic in their respective categories. Not sure if Emotiva needs to reinvent the Digital input Wheel. The XMC-1 especially gives big love to the 2 channel world even though multi-channel play is its reason for being. Direct inputs, Dirac, full balanced architecture for the front 2 channels. Full bass management. I think this one clicks all the boxes elegantly, and effortlessly. So the things stated earlier that are needed, the XMC-1 does it.
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Post by chaosrv on Mar 7, 2017 14:16:05 GMT -5
Maybe do something like Schiit ha done with the Jotunheim. Make a "base" model then allow customers to choose if they want to add an optional module for a DAC, phono stage, or something else entirely.
HT bypass when in standby would be pretty phenomenal as well.
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Post by rvsixer on Mar 7, 2017 15:25:30 GMT -5
The XSP-1 is analog to the core. The XMC-1 or MC-700 are fantastic in their respective categories. Not sure if Emotiva needs to reinvent the Digital input Wheel. The XMC-1 especially gives big love to the 2 channel world even though multi-channel play is its reason for being. Direct inputs, Dirac, full balanced architecture for the front 2 channels. Full bass management. I think this one clicks all the boxes elegantly, and effortlessly. So the things stated earlier that are needed, the XMC-1 does it. Couldn't agree more. There are those of us who want both great stereo and great movie surround in one setup, but KNOWING I will later lose most or all my entire investment by having to replace the entire box when the latest and lamest HDMI/HDCP/8K/WTF comes out (been there done that)...I cannot bring myself to spring for an XMC-1. A stereo only version of the XMC-1, used in conjunction with the likes of the MC-700, would tick so many boxes for me. All digital w/full DSP setup flexibility up until the analog preouts for both the stereo and movie processors. When the the video "standards" move on just replace the movie processor. I am readying to do this the best way I can right now with an XSP-1 and Yamaha RX-A1020, but with all the analog in there now it will be messy at best (both connection wise, and we will see how the complete lack of time domain adjustment tries my patience and ear). But I digress...I agree any future XSP-x should remain all analog. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Mar 7, 2017 15:44:09 GMT -5
My view, installing a DAC in an XSP-1 is not something that I would ever consider. It just means the the XSP-1 would go out of date just as fast as the UMC-1, UMC-200, MC-700 and all the other processors and AVR's. Keep the XSP-1 all analogue and ensure that it has companion stand alone DAC's of equal quality. To me that's where Emotiva has missed the boat, not replacing/updating the XDA-2. Yes I know that there is a DC-1 but it's form factor and specs are more aimed at the professional market.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by Axis on Mar 7, 2017 16:05:45 GMT -5
I think Dan is going to keep his XSP an analog preamp no matter what you guys say. At least I hope he does.
Just hang in there folks. Big Dan told me he has a team that knows there stuff with digital. Let Big Dan roll out the new gear when it is most profitable for him to do that. Things are changing.
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Post by chaosrv on Mar 7, 2017 16:35:22 GMT -5
For clarification, I think the XSP should remain all analog as well.
But the ability to swap out a DAC/Phono etc.. module would be groovy especially if DAC tech progresses to the point when an upgrade makes sense, you can swap out just that piece rather than the entire unit.
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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 7, 2017 16:42:53 GMT -5
All analog is fine with me - BUT the world is going digital - AND the majority of potential customers (remember them) have other options competing for the same market $$$ that offer additional features (like that DAC that y'all so firmly reject). Dan isn't out to please you (or me). He's out to sell preamps. If he's as smart as I suspect he is, the next XSP may be a analog/digital hybrid like most of the competition is.
As to any (ANY) contention that having a DAC in the box hurts sound quality - I call an unmitigated BS. Long, long ago (say three to five years), I'd have agreed with you that one couldn't get the best of analog sound out of a hybrid box due to the internal RF interference. But just LISTEN to the PT-100. It has a DAC, and it sounds better (to my ears) than the XSP. Proof of concept, amigos - it's THERE.
So the question of DAC / No DAC boils down to whether Dan'll sell more boxes with or without one. I can't answer that question, but I'm (strongly) suspecting that the answer is with.
Boom
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