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Post by vinylguy on May 18, 2017 10:23:29 GMT -5
I am considering a pair of Pendragons, before I do I plan to build a cardboard mock up as per advice from this thread.
IF I decide they are to large what is a smaller with an emphasis on low end?
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Post by craigl59 on May 18, 2017 15:33:31 GMT -5
Actual REW Data for Tekton Double Impact Speaker In the review provided above, I noted that the first REW response curves did not seem to match with the seamless nature of the speaker. Now that my set is in its 3rd day, have noticed a substantial aural change in smoothness across the board, and, so, thought it would be good to check the REW results again. Here is the actual data, made with professional studio gear. NOTE this was made in a very large living room that is not particularly flat by itself.  The more irregular line is the actual response; the very smooth line represents the result with a small amount of filtering (am using ApQualizer hosted by JRiver). Some, if not most, of the first irregularity is the room's fault -- in particular, the dips at 450 and 1.8k hz appear with all speakers checked so far in this room and can be ignored. This is exceptional performance in this room and bests in linearity by a large amount the 3 other speakers tested here in the last year. NOTE IN PARTICULAR the extraordinary response at 20 hz; the subwoofers I have tested do not provide this good a response at this low frequency. There is no reason for a sub with this kind of response. SO, it is clear to me that the DI speakers become VERY FLAT when they open up. The response may continue to improve as the speakers age and, so, will wait for a final EQ until a week or so of listening. Have noted one other characteristic hinted at by other reviewers. These speakers make all feeds listenable. In particular, older recordings that are not up to today's recording standards sound significantly more "full" and enjoyable with the DIs. As a result, have been returning to old favorites from the 60s and 70s and thanking Eric in my mind for a speaker with this renaissance capability. |
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Post by dwwjr56 on May 18, 2017 16:25:22 GMT -5
I am considering a pair of Pendragons, before I do I plan to build a cardboard mock up as per advice from this thread. IF I decide they are to large what is a smaller with an emphasis on low end? Try the Enzo XL not as tall and uses same drivers. 2300 with all the upgrades. Well not the oil caps but other quality caps |
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Post by foggy1956 on May 18, 2017 16:47:26 GMT -5
Actual REW Data for Tekton Double Impact Speaker In the review provided above, I noted that the first REW response curves did not seem to match with the seamless nature of the speaker. Now that my set is in its 3rd day, have noticed a substantial aural change in smoothness across the board, and, so, thought it would be good to check the REW results again. Here is the actual data, made with professional studio gear. NOTE this was made in a very large living room that is not particularly flat by itself. The more irregular line is the actual response; the very smooth line represents the result with a small amount of filtering (am using ApQualizer hosted by JRiver). Some, if not most, of the first irregularity is the room's fault -- in particular, the dips at 450 and 1.8k hz appear with all speakers checked so far in this room and can be ignored. This is exceptional performance in this room and bests in linearity by a large amount the 3 other speakers tested here in the last year. NOTE IN PARTICULAR the extraordinary response at 20 hz; the subwoofers I have tested do not provide this good a response at this low frequency. There is no reason for a sub with this kind of response. SO, it is clear to me that the DI speakers become VERY FLAT when they open up. The response may continue to improve as the speakers age and, so, will wait for a final EQ until a week or so of listening. Have noted one other characteristic hinted at by other reviewers. These speakers make all feeds listenable. In particular, older recordings that are not up to today's recording standards sound significantly more "full" and enjoyable with the DIs. As a result, have been returning to old favorites from the 60s and 70s and thanking Eric in my mind for a speaker with this renaissance capability. Didn't somebody mention REW as being objective as upposed to our subjective ears😎 |
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Post by pedrocols on May 18, 2017 17:01:50 GMT -5
Actual REW Data for Tekton Double Impact Speaker In the review provided above, I noted that the first REW response curves did not seem to match with the seamless nature of the speaker. Now that my set is in its 3rd day, have noticed a substantial aural change in smoothness across the board, and, so, thought it would be good to check the REW results again. Here is the actual data, made with professional studio gear. NOTE this was made in a very large living room that is not particularly flat by itself. The more irregular line is the actual response; the very smooth line represents the result with a small amount of filtering (am using ApQualizer hosted by JRiver). Some, if not most, of the first irregularity is the room's fault -- in particular, the dips at 450 and 1.8k hz appear with all speakers checked so far in this room and can be ignored. This is exceptional performance in this room and bests in linearity by a large amount the 3 other speakers tested here in the last year. NOTE IN PARTICULAR the extraordinary response at 20 hz; the subwoofers I have tested do not provide this good a response at this low frequency. There is no reason for a sub with this kind of response. SO, it is clear to me that the DI speakers become VERY FLAT when they open up. The response may continue to improve as the speakers age and, so, will wait for a final EQ until a week or so of listening. Have noted one other characteristic hinted at by other reviewers. These speakers make all feeds listenable. In particular, older recordings that are not up to today's recording standards sound significantly more "full" and enjoyable with the DIs. As a result, have been returning to old favorites from the 60s and 70s and thanking Eric in my mind for a speaker with this renaissance capability. Didn't somebody mention REW as being objective as upposed to our subjective ears😎 Science is science even if you do not agree with it. Reading at this it seems to me these DI speakers are conveying some serious coloured sound. Maybe is not the speakers or REW but an artifact of the listeners subjective ears....  |
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Post by foggy1956 on May 18, 2017 17:10:41 GMT -5
Didn't somebody mention REW as being objective as upposed to our subjective ears😎 Science is science even if you do not agree with it. Reading at this it seems to me these DI speakers are conveying some serious coloured sound. Maybe is not the speakers or REW but an artifact of the listeners subjective ears.... Did you look at his REW graph? |
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Post by monkumonku on May 18, 2017 17:26:48 GMT -5
Didn't somebody mention REW as being objective as upposed to our subjective ears😎 Science is science even if you do not agree with it. Reading at this it seems to me these DI speakers are conveying some serious coloured sound. Maybe is not the speakers or REW but an artifact of the listeners subjective ears.... But now shouldn't it be that one prefers pleasing their ears over whatever the actual specs and response graphs are? Besides, our hearing capabilities may differ from one another so us older folks will hear high frequencies differently than younger ones, in general. Maybe what we think is clear and crisp is like screeching to them.  |
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Post by foggy1956 on May 18, 2017 17:32:45 GMT -5
Science is science even if you do not agree with it. Reading at this it seems to me these DI speakers are conveying some serious coloured sound. Maybe is not the speakers or REW but an artifact of the listeners subjective ears.... But now shouldn't it be that one prefers pleasing their ears over whatever the actual specs and response graphs are? Besides, our hearing capabilities may differ from one another so us older folks will hear high frequencies differently than younger ones, in general. Maybe what we think is clear and crisp is like screeching to them. Agreed, but I do like it when the science backs up my subjective mind😊 |
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Post by copperpipe on May 19, 2017 8:40:31 GMT -5
Science is science even if you do not agree with it. Reading at this it seems to me these DI speakers are conveying some serious coloured sound. Maybe is not the speakers or REW but an artifact of the listeners subjective ears.... But now shouldn't it be that one prefers pleasing their ears over whatever the actual specs and response graphs are? Besides, our hearing capabilities may differ from one another so us older folks will hear high frequencies differently than younger ones, in general. Maybe what we think is clear and crisp is like screeching to them. I think you're on to something - I had a dealer tell me that the only peopl who like klipsh are deaf old guys and kids throwing parties  He said the same thing for KRK studio monitors, and having tried a pair of those I know exactly what he meant. |
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Post by Eric Alexander on May 19, 2017 11:50:20 GMT -5
Folks - the generated frequency response curve you're all reviewing contains the cumulative energy bouncing around the room generated by 2 speakers. I've seen an image of the room - it's very large and highly reflective. The Double Impact has ±1.5dB deviation, just remeasured one this morning.
Also note: there's no 15% restocking as someone posted yesterday. Tekton Design has not had a 15% restocking fee for over 5 years now and the trial period is 60 days.
Eric Alexander - designer
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Post by garbulky on May 19, 2017 11:53:01 GMT -5
Folks - the generated frequency response curve you're all reviewing contains the cumulative energy bouncing around the room generated by 2 speakers. I've seen an image of the room - it's very large and highly reflective. The Double Impact has ±1.5dB deviation, just remeasured one this morning. Also note: there's no 15% restocking as someone posted yesterday. Tekton Design has not had a 15% restocking fee for over 5 years now and the trial period is 60 days. Eric Alexander - designer Eric, it's great to see you on the website!!! Excited about your Uber speaker! |
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Post by novisnick on May 19, 2017 12:16:15 GMT -5
Folks - the generated frequency response curve you're all reviewing contains the cumulative energy bouncing around the room generated by 2 speakers. I've seen an image of the room - it's very large and highly reflective. The Double Impact has ±1.5dB deviation, just remeasured one this morning. Also note: there's no 15% restocking as someone posted yesterday. Tekton Design has not had a 15% restocking fee for over 5 years now and the trial period is 60 days. Eric Alexander - designer Thanks so much for chiming in Eric. I know that you are a conscience person that realcares about your customer and products. |
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Post by pawsman on May 19, 2017 12:27:12 GMT -5
Folks - the generated frequency response curve you're all reviewing contains the cumulative energy bouncing around the room generated by 2 speakers. I've seen an image of the room - it's very large and highly reflective. The Double Impact has ±1.5dB deviation, just remeasured one this morning. Also note: there's no 15% restocking as someone posted yesterday. Tekton Design has not had a 15% restocking fee for over 5 years now and the trial period is 60 days. Eric Alexander - designer Good to hear that Eric, I look forward to receiving my pair of Impact Monitors- pawsman |
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Post by Boomzilla on May 19, 2017 12:42:09 GMT -5
The sound of my Pendragons did change (for the better) over their first 15 days.
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Post by gld3gld3 on May 19, 2017 16:59:27 GMT -5
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Post by teaman on May 19, 2017 17:11:04 GMT -5
I actually like those. Not necessarily in blue but cool design...much less over the top than some of his designs. |
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Post by Masif on May 19, 2017 20:16:33 GMT -5
Folks - the generated frequency response curve you're all reviewing contains the cumulative energy bouncing around the room generated by 2 speakers. I've seen an image of the room - it's very large and highly reflective. The Double Impact has ±1.5dB deviation, just remeasured one this morning. Also note: there's no 15% restocking as someone posted yesterday. Tekton Design has not had a 15% restocking fee for over 5 years now and the trial period is 60 days. Eric Alexander - designer Hey Eric- Nice to hear from you and thanks for chiming in .. |
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Post by copperpipe on May 20, 2017 8:01:33 GMT -5
Just in case Eric happens to be reading this page again; please, please, add a ring or some molding to fit over the speaker/tweeter mounting screws in the style of Kef, Paradigm, and many others. It would improve the looks of your speaker 200% for the cost of pennies.
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Post by adaboy on May 20, 2017 8:07:32 GMT -5
Just in case Eric happens to be reading this page again; please, please, add a ring or some molding to fit over the speaker/tweeter mounting screws in the style of Kef, Paradigm, and many others. It would improve the looks of your speaker 200% for the cost of pennies. Counter-sunk or beveled outer ring? I think I'd be fine with either |
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Post by milsap195 on May 20, 2017 14:48:44 GMT -5
There is a $20k pendragon now!
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He said the same thing for KRK studio monitors, and having tried a pair of those I know exactly what he meant. 
