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Post by rossonero3 on May 14, 2017 19:33:49 GMT -5
Just want say that I'm thoroughly enjoying my $750 Lore reference and PT-100 / A-300 combo
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Post by Boomzilla on May 16, 2017 4:16:23 GMT -5
Well... If Legacy can sell these:  ...and have them considered serious, then how is Tekton's stuff somehow not? Tekton's Ulfbhert looks like a "standard" d'Appolito configuration to me... And before you dismiss Eric Alexander by rolling your eyes, maybe, just maybe, you should actually HEAR some of the designs... If the designs "sound great," then who are you (or I) to claim that there isn't "real science" at work? Offhand, I'd say that increasing sensitivity by adding drivers does at least one "real science" thing - It reduces the amount of excursion that each driver must provide to achieve a given SPL. And by reducing that excursion, one also reduces intermodulation distortion. Fact. Other speakers do this with acoustical (horn) loading, but Alexander has opted to achieve the same thing with multiple drivers. Now if we assume that lower distortion is desirable in a speaker design... Just my two cents... Boomzilla PS: Two observations, however - 1. Tekton's patent (and advertising) are pure hyperbole 2. "MY" speaker color proved popular enough that it's now a standard catalog offering from Tekton (this amuses me):  |
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Post by pawsman on May 16, 2017 7:11:26 GMT -5
Well... If Legacy can sell these: ...and have them considered serious, then how is Tekton's stuff somehow not? Tekton's Ulfbhert looks like a "standard" d'Appolito configuration to me... And before you dismiss Eric Alexander by rolling your eyes, maybe, just maybe, you should actually HEAR some of the designs... If the designs "sound great," then who are you (or I) to claim that there isn't "real science" at work? Offhand, I'd say that increasing sensitivity by adding drivers does at least one "real science" thing - It reduces the amount of excursion that each driver must provide to achieve a given SPL. And by reducing that excursion, one also reduces intermodulation distortion. Fact. Other speakers do this with acoustical (horn) loading, but Alexander has opted to achieve the same thing with multiple drivers. Now if we assume that lower distortion is desirable in a speaker design... Just my two cents... Boomzilla PS: Two observations, however - 1. Tekton's patent (and advertising) are pure hyperbole 2. "MY" speaker color proved popular enough that it's now a standard catalog offering from Tekton (this amuses me): Couldn't agree more, Boom. I'm strongly considering the new Impact Monitor which has the SB Acoustics Mid/Bass Drivers crossed over very low (400 hz) to the Tweeter array. It's basically the top half of the Double Impact.  |
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Post by craigl59 on May 16, 2017 12:39:33 GMT -5
Having a set of DIs delivered today and will post my reactions. Am used to the 5-channel T1 set at my other place and am looking to see if the stereo DIs can better this very fine Emotiva set. Told Rory that the T1 set is so good it brings out a smile every time the music hour arrives. Have played it for others and they are startled by the realism of better feeds such as the SACD Brothers In Arms.
It's hard to buy quality speakers these days because there are so few retail stores offering the major players for personal inspection. So my decision to give Tekton a try has been based upon Internet threads and the one Home Theater Review. The one fact of interest is that all of the Tekton owners who offer assessments of their speakers praise the sound and Eric's skills. This uniformity is unusual.
Have talked with Eric about his patent and while I agree with the naysayers that it is at best vague and incomplete, he provides additional explanations that suggest there might be something there. Having very low mass drivers can have any number of benefits but the relationship to musical instruments is fanciful.
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Post by foggy1956 on May 16, 2017 13:16:25 GMT -5
Having a set of DIs delivered today and will post my reactions. Am used to the 5-channel T1 set at my other place and am looking to see if the stereo DIs can better this very fine Emotiva set. Told Rory that the T1 set is so good it brings out a smile every time the music hour arrives. Have played it for others and they are startled by the realism of better feeds such as the SACD Brothers In Arms. It's hard to buy quality speakers these days because there are so few retail stores offering the major players for personal inspection. So my decision to give Tekton a try has been based upon Internet threads and the one Home Theater Review. The one fact of interest is that all of the Tekton owners who offer assessments of their speakers praise the sound and Eric's skills. This uniformity is unusual. Have talked with Eric about his patent and while I agree with the naysayers that it is at best vague and incomplete, he provides additional explanations that suggest there might be something there. Having very low mass drivers can have any number of benefits but the relationship to musical instruments is fanciful. If they act like my Enzo's, give them at least 15-20 hours to open up. Enjoy😎 |
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Post by gzubeck on May 16, 2017 14:31:42 GMT -5
I can most likely build you a pair of speakers for half the amount of money $6000 and put his $12000 speakers to shame and I'd still pocket some cash. Any takers?
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Post by Boomzilla on May 16, 2017 14:48:39 GMT -5
I wouldn't necessarily call you a liar, gzubeck. The DIY option is almost always the better deal... After all, Tekton (to the best of my knowledge) isn't in the actual driver manufacturing business, which means that Mr. Alexander is using someone else's drivers. That being the case, one could probably reverse-engineer any of the Tekton products & for less than half the cost have identical speakers (if "identical" was the goal). I've gotten beyond the urge to DIY for most things. I'm not a great carpenter - I don't have CNC machining available - I don't have the inclination - I don't have the time. That being the case, I'm content to buy "ready-made" products. And in that category, the majority of the Tekton products are fair values for what you get. Yes, I agree that the "new patent" products strike me as overpriced, but I haven't heard them, either. Even with 2x the woofers, 4 lower-midranges, 18 or so upper midranges, and a super-tweeter, the parts & cabinet don't add up to $12K in my mind. But if Mr. Alexander would like to ship me a pair to review, I wouldn't turn them down... Boom |
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Post by garbulky on May 16, 2017 15:28:35 GMT -5
He's a business not a diy hobbyist. Have you built speakers before gzubeck ? Not trying to be snarky. I am interested. Do you have any pics to share? |
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Post by gzubeck on May 16, 2017 20:09:55 GMT -5
He's a business not a diy hobbyist. Have you built speakers before gzubeck ? Not trying to be snarky. I am interested. Do you have any pics to share? Yes, I've built my own and still do considerable research on different types of drivers. Learned a helluva of a lot by playing with crossover sims and frd and zma files. Looking at the tektons I'm not sure where he's crossing over between the multitweeters and the midranges. whether it's some type of mtm or something else altogether (2.5 way). I'd also not put any ports close to mid-ranges as every speaker I've listened to with the port close to the mid-ranges is diminished somewhat in clarity. I don't know everything there is with speaker design but I do feel confident that as you gain familiarity with certain drivers you figure out how to maximize their strengths and weaknesses. What I don't understand is why he uses more tweeters when there are better and more sensitive tweeters that are available that would reduce time and effort. He should name his speakers after arachnids because the multi-tweeter layouts remind me of spider eyes... I can give you some of the free tools of the trade that would help tremendously with anyone looking to build or design their own speakers. I don't have any solid pictures because I'm using an off the shelf speaker enclosure with select drivers with a 3rd order crossover on the high pass and low pass crossed over around 1650 hz on a two way monitor.   |
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Post by garbulky on May 16, 2017 21:13:10 GMT -5
He's a business not a diy hobbyist. Have you built speakers before gzubeck ? Not trying to be snarky. I am interested. Do you have any pics to share? Yes, I've built my own and still do considerable research on different types of drivers. Learned a helluva of a lot by playing with crossover sims and frd and zma files. Looking at the tektons I'm not sure where he's crossing over between the multitweeters and the midranges. whether it's some type of mtm or something else altogether (2.5 way). I'd also not put any ports close to mid-ranges as every speaker I've listened to with the port close to the mid-ranges is diminished somewhat in clarity. I don't know everything there is with speaker design but I do feel confident that as you gain familiarity with certain drivers you figure out how to maximize their strengths and weaknesses. What I don't understand is why he uses more tweeters when there are better and more sensitive tweeters that are available that would reduce time and effort. He should name his speakers after arachnids because the multi-tweeter layouts remind me of spider eyes... I can give you some of the free tools of the trade that would help tremendously with anyone looking to build or design their own speakers. I don't have any solid pictures because I'm using an off the shelf speaker enclosure with select drivers with a 3rd order crossover on the high pass and low pass crossed over around 1650 hz on a two way monitor. View AttachmentView AttachmentI've actually wondered that myself about the drivers. In the past he has used drivers from Seas for the Tekton and Lore "S" models. I'm not sure why he doesn't do that with his more expensive stuff. I think the drivers he uses are similar to Zu Audio. I want to say Eminence drivers and Vifa ring radiator tweeters though I may be wrong about all this. |
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Post by pawsman on May 17, 2017 6:48:01 GMT -5
"I've actually wondered that myself about the drivers. In the past he has used drivers from Seas for the Tekton and Lore "S" models. I'm not sure why he doesn't do that with his more expensive stuff. I think the drivers he uses are similar to Zu Audio.
I want to say Eminence drivers and Vifa ring radiator tweeters though I may be wrong about all this"
I talked to Eric on the phone a few days ago re: the new Impact Monitor. It uses 2 SB Acoustics Mid/Bass drivers and 7 Tymphany tweeters.
Tymphany is a new name for me, but they apparently own Peerless and Vifa now. He crosses the SB Acoustics Mid/Bass drivers over to
the tweeter array at a very low 400hz(!!), which means the tweeters do a lot of the heavy lifting in the Midrange. Each tweeter carries
just a small part of the signal so they're loafing most of the time. This may account for the very airy, well defined midrange that many have
heard in the Double Impact Tower-
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Post by Mark on May 17, 2017 14:54:39 GMT -5
"I've actually wondered that myself about the drivers. In the past he has used drivers from Seas for the Tekton and Lore "S" models. I'm not sure why he doesn't do that with his more expensive stuff. I think the drivers he uses are similar to Zu Audio. I want to say Eminence drivers and Vifa ring radiator tweeters though I may be wrong about all this" I talked to Eric on the phone a few days ago re: the new Impact Monitor. He uses 2 SB Acoustics Mid/Bass drivers and 7 Tymphany tweeters. Tymphany is a new name for me, but they apparently own Peerless and Vifa now. He crosses the SB Acoustics Mid/Bass drivers over to the tweeter array at a very low 400hz(!!), which means the tweeters do a lot of the heavy lifting in the Midrange. Each tweeter carries just a small part of the signal so they're loafing most of the time. This may account for the very airy, well defined midrange that many have heard in the Double Impact Tower- pawsman Eminence in the Pendragon - here is a review discussing the Pendragon parttimeaudiophile.com/2012/01/25/part-ii-digging-in-to-the-tekton-pendragon/ |
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Post by craigl59 on May 17, 2017 18:00:27 GMT -5
Tekton Double Impacts This photo shows both grill and open versions; grills are just now available as Eric build them in bunches. 
Have been listening to these for a day and a half; they are BIG speakers both physically and in their sound. Full range with a wide and robust tonal quality. As a result, older recordings with "thin" textures sound very enjoyable. Some have reported a muddy quality; suggest this comes from inadequate amplifier damping. The Emotiva monoblocks used here sound superb with the DIs and are crystal clear with both thin and thick textures. The DIs do a superb job of disentangling dense textures -- allowing you to hone in on any of the individual voices. Bass is very good with no need for a sub and has these advantages: 1) timbral accuracy is accurate and you can well distinguish instrument types and 2) with deep response in each speaker you avoid the kind of spatial uncertainty resulting from a single sub. Heard these qualities in spades on Flight of the Cosmic Hippo (Fleck and the Flecktones). Am used to AMT tweeters and wasn't sure how the DIs would compare. Good news here. The advanced 7-speaker design sounds every bit as open and effortless as AMTs with, to my ears, transients that are even more crisp. And in this regard, timbral and vocal accuracy is high and getting better as the speakers age. Huge dynamic range and control. So much headroom that recordings I had always thought of as very loud now appear at the same DB level but with an ease that makes them sound less stressed/loud. They will fill a very large room(s) and can take the level up to 100db comfortably (if you can stand it...). The midrange is mostly handled by the tweeters and they are under so little tension/load that the sound has wonderful detail. On the Live at the Quick DVD (also Fleck & Flecktones) heard for the first time passages and detail in the steel and tabla drums. When the bass is loud, and the mid range purrs easily, it makes for a pleasant listening experience. Because the "gatlin' gun" tweeter array is placed at exactly ear height when seated, there is strong presence generated. Very nice. Reach out and touch... The DIs sound seamless from bass to treble but, oddly, did not measure this way when I ran several REW checks. Since the rooms and the DACs used are less than ideal, cannot state with accuracy what the measured frequency response is. But it might be that this is one of those odd cases where the speakers sound much more seamless than their measurements suggest. Hopefully some of the upcoming reviews (Eric told me two more were on the way) will provide accurate data here. Originally intended on comparing these with the T1 5-channel set I am very familiar with. The two are so different, however, that the best I can do is to state both are exceptional, each in its own way. |
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Post by Mark on May 17, 2017 20:04:23 GMT -5
Tekton Double Impacts This photo shows both grill and open versions; grills are just now available as Eric build them in bunches. Have been listening to these for a day and a half; they are BIG speakers both physically and in their sound. Full range with a wide and robust tonal quality. As a result, older recordings with "thin" textures sound very enjoyable. Some have reported a muddy quality; suggest this comes from inadequate amplifier damping. The Emotiva monoblocks used here sound superb with the DIs and are crystal clear with both thin and thick textures. The DIs do a superb job of disentangling dense textures -- allowing you to hone in on any of the individual voices. Bass is very good with no need for a sub and has these advantages: 1) timbral accuracy is accurate and you can well distinguish instrument types and 2) with deep response in each speaker you avoid the kind of spatial uncertainty resulting from a single sub. Heard these qualities in spades on Flight of the Cosmic Hippo (Fleck and the Flecktones). Am used to AMT tweeters and wasn't sure how the DIs would compare. Good news here. The advanced 7-speaker design sounds every bit as open and effortless as AMTs with, to my ears, transients that are even more crisp. And in this regard, timbral and vocal accuracy is high and getting better as the speakers age. Huge dynamic range and control. So much headroom that recordings I had always thought of as very loud now appear at the same DB level but with an ease that makes them sound less stressed/loud. They will fill a very large room(s) and can take the level up to 100db comfortably (if you can stand it...). The midrange is mostly handled by the tweeters and they are under so little tension/load that the sound has wonderful detail. On the Live at the Quick DVD (also Fleck & Flecktones) heard for the first time passages and detail in the steel and tabla drums. When the bass is loud, and the mid range purrs easily, it makes for a pleasant listening experience. Because the "gatlin' gun" tweeter array is placed at exactly ear height when seated, there is strong presence generated. Very nice. Reach out and touch... The DIs sound seamless from bass to treble but, oddly, did not measure this way when I ran several REW checks. Since the rooms and the DACs used are less than ideal, cannot state with accuracy what the measured frequency response is. But it might be that this is one of those odd cases where the speakers sound much more seamless than their measurements suggest. Hopefully some of the upcoming reviews (Eric told me two more were on the way) will provide accurate data here. Originally intended on comparing these with the T1 5-channel set I am very familiar with. The two are so different, however, that the best I can do is to state both are exceptional, each in its own way. I am jealous, those look phenomenal! |
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Post by pedrocols on May 17, 2017 20:37:59 GMT -5
Tekton Double Impacts This photo shows both grill and open versions; grills are just now available as Eric build them in bunches. View Attachment Have been listening to these for a day and a half; they are BIG speakers both physically and in their sound. Full range with a wide and robust tonal quality. As a result, older recordings with "thin" textures sound very enjoyable. Some have reported a muddy quality; suggest this comes from inadequate amplifier damping. The Emotiva monoblocks used here sound superb with the DIs and are crystal clear with both thin and thick textures. The DIs do a superb job of disentangling dense textures -- allowing you to hone in on any of the individual voices. Bass is very good with no need for a sub and has these advantages: 1) timbral accuracy is accurate and you can well distinguish instrument types and 2) with deep response in each speaker you avoid the kind of spatial uncertainty resulting from a single sub. Heard these qualities in spades on Flight of the Cosmic Hippo (Fleck and the Flecktones). Am used to AMT tweeters and wasn't sure how the DIs would compare. Good news here. The advanced 7-speaker design sounds every bit as open and effortless as AMTs with, to my ears, transients that are even more crisp. And in this regard, timbral and vocal accuracy is high and getting better as the speakers age. Huge dynamic range and control. So much headroom that recordings I had always thought of as very loud now appear at the same DB level but with an ease that makes them sound less stressed/loud. They will fill a very large room(s) and can take the level up to 100db comfortably (if you can stand it...). The midrange is mostly handled by the tweeters and they are under so little tension/load that the sound has wonderful detail. On the Live at the Quick DVD (also Fleck & Flecktones) heard for the first time passages and detail in the steel and tabla drums. When the bass is loud, and the mid range purrs easily, it makes for a pleasant listening experience. Because the "gatlin' gun" tweeter array is placed at exactly ear height when seated, there is strong presence generated. Very nice. Reach out and touch... The DIs sound seamless from bass to treble but, oddly, did not measure this way when I ran several REW checks. Since the rooms and the DACs used are less than ideal, cannot state with accuracy what the measured frequency response is. But it might be that this is one of those odd cases where the speakers sound much more seamless than their measurements suggest. Hopefully some of the upcoming reviews (Eric told me two more were on the way) will provide accurate data here. Originally intended on comparing these with the T1 5-channel set I am very familiar with. The two are so different, however, that the best I can do is to state both are exceptional, each in its own way. REW cannot be fooled as easily as ears and brain. REW, objective, accurate. Ears and Brain, subjective, foolish.  |
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Post by Masif on May 17, 2017 22:08:43 GMT -5
My system comprises of XMC-1, XPA 3, Definitive technology 8060 tower speakers, 8040 center and surrounds. How does Tekton Pendragon compare against definitive technology 8060 series?
some online forums i see people bashing Pendragons and some reviewers outlined that pendragons has some design flaws/against laws of physics/doesn't disclose materials used .... Any insights on pendragons is appreciated
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Post by Boomzilla on May 18, 2017 5:20:41 GMT -5
My system comprises of XMC-1, XPA 3, Definitive technology 8060 tower speakers, 8040 center and surrounds. How does Tekton Pendragon compare against definitive technology 8060 series? some online forums i see people bashing Pendragons and some reviewers outlined that pendragons has some design flaws/against laws of physics/doesn't disclose materials used .... Any insights on pendragons is appreciated Mine sound GREAT! |
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Post by bluemeanies on May 18, 2017 6:58:38 GMT -5
I never heard TEKTON speakers 🔊...none of them.
However, I do like Eric's design and from most reviews I have read good things about his products. I believe he offers a 30day trial period so how can you go wrong. As far as his new monitors...I LOVE the design, but how it performs is another question.
Saying this and couple the experience that Boom has is this hobby I would at the very least take that 30 day trial if I were in the market for monitors.
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Post by novisnick on May 18, 2017 9:11:52 GMT -5
My system comprises of XMC-1, XPA 3, Definitive technology 8060 tower speakers, 8040 center and surrounds. How does Tekton Pendragon compare against definitive technology 8060 series? some online forums i see people bashing Pendragons and some reviewers outlined that pendragons has some design flaws/against laws of physics/doesn't disclose materials used .... Any insights on pendragons is appreciated Mine sound GREAT! 
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Post by pedrocols on May 18, 2017 9:40:23 GMT -5
I never heard TEKTON speakers 🔊...none of them. However, I do like Eric's design and from most reviews I have read good things about his products. I believe he offers a 30day trial period so how can you go wrong. As far as his new monitors...I LOVE the design, but how it performs is another question. Saying this and couple the experience that Boom has is this hobby I would at the very least take that 30 day trial if I were in the market for monitors. It would be also good to mention there is a 15% restocking fee. |
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