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Post by wrxified on Apr 11, 2017 13:32:54 GMT -5
I received the customer email today regarding Emotiva at this months Axpona event. They briefly mention a new CD transport but I can't find any information on it. Anyone have any details? Been holding out for an emo player that plays more than the red book layer of an SACD.
This was the comment in the email.
"We will also be featuring our first public demo of our exceptional BasX components and speakers, including our brand new A-800 multi-zone power amplifier and our CD-100 precision player and transport."
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Post by cawgijoe on Apr 11, 2017 13:49:37 GMT -5
Looking forward to seeing this cd player also. Someone mentioned it will not have XLR's.
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Post by garbulky on Apr 11, 2017 13:55:40 GMT -5
The picture that novisnick showed said "differential reference". I may be wrong on the final product but the picture had the words differential reference on its faceplate as well as CD-100. That means fully balanced + XLR outputs in Emotiva terminology. Every one of their CD players is differential reference. I don't know if they'll step down to single ended for this unit. But single ended seems to conflict with the picture I saw.
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Post by Hair Nick on Apr 11, 2017 13:58:57 GMT -5
The picture that novisnick showed said "differential reference". I may be wrong on the final product but the picture had the words differential reference on its faceplate as well as CD-100. That means fully balanced + XLR outputs in Emotiva terminology. Every one of their CD players is differential reference. I don't know if they'll step down to single ended for this unit. But single ended seems to conflict with the picture I saw. The image posted was from CES which was our pre-production model and didn't have final artwork screened on it. The production unit is NOT a Differential Reference piece. |
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Post by chaosrv on Apr 11, 2017 14:00:17 GMT -5
Maybe they didn't have a blank CD tray/cover available and had use one from the ERC-3 for the show. The picture that novisnick showed said "differential reference". I may be wrong on the final product but the picture had the words differential reference on its faceplate as well as CD-100. That means fully balanced + XLR outputs in Emotiva terminology. Every one of their CD players is differential reference. I don't know if they'll step down to single ended for this unit. But single ended seems to conflict with the picture I saw. |
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Post by chaosrv on Apr 11, 2017 14:01:39 GMT -5
Dang, beat me to it. The picture that novisnick showed said "differential reference". I may be wrong on the final product but the picture had the words differential reference on its faceplate as well as CD-100. That means fully balanced + XLR outputs in Emotiva terminology. Every one of their CD players is differential reference. I don't know if they'll step down to single ended for this unit. But single ended seems to conflict with the picture I saw. The image posted was from CES which was our pre-production model and didn't have final artwork screened on it. The production unit is NOT a Differential Reference piece. |
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Post by wrxified on Apr 11, 2017 14:16:31 GMT -5
So if I'm following correctly we're talking about a plain Jane cd transport, with no added SACD capability? Is there really even a market for that? What I mean is while Emotiva's crowd is budget conscious, doesn't it seem like the community as a whole is made up of audiophiles as a whole.
Just doesn't seem like a there is really a market for a stripped down CD player.
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Post by brutiarti on Apr 11, 2017 14:28:16 GMT -5
So if I'm following correctly we're talking about a plain Jane cd transport, with no added SACD capability? Is there really even a market for that? What I mean is while Emotiva's crowd is budget conscious, doesn't it seem like the community as a whole is made up of audiophiles as a whole. Just doesn't seem like a there is really a market for a stripped down CD player. I think that there is a market for it, maybe not huge but big enough to add it to the basx line. Specially if used as transport to an outboard dac. The ERC-3 is quite pricey to be used as transport only and there is not a reliable cd transport under $200 , |
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Post by siggie on Apr 11, 2017 15:08:59 GMT -5
I'm interested in the BasX cd player. I've been using DVD and Blu Ray players and an X-box to play cds. The ERC is too expensive for what I suspect to be a modest improvement in sound quality (compared to upgrading speakers or an amp).
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Post by teaman on Apr 11, 2017 15:24:27 GMT -5
Personally I love the ERC players. I found a substantial improvement over previous cd players and it sounds better than my Bluray players as well. I find the ERC-3 sounds a little better than the ERC-2, and the ERC-2 a little better than the ERC-1. Definitely still a bargain when it goes on sale...oh wait, no more sales...
Tim
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Post by stiehl11 on Apr 11, 2017 15:32:09 GMT -5
So if I'm following correctly we're talking about a plain Jane cd transport, with no added SACD capability? Is there really even a market for that? What I mean is while Emotiva's crowd is budget conscious, doesn't it seem like the community as a whole is made up of audiophiles as a whole. Just doesn't seem like a there is really a market for a stripped down CD player. First, the current (and previous) ERC players did/do not play SACD (DSD layer). Any recent CD player to my knowledge can play the hybrid layer of a SACD of which the ERC players can do. Second, there are audiophiles that would be interested in both a transport and/or or player. A transport has all the R&D and build quality in, well, the transport. Thus giving the unit unsurpassed reading abilities. This type of audiophile will hook a transport to a high quality DAC to turn those flawlessly read and sent ones and zeros into an analog wave to his/her liking. A CD player has an added DAC built in. The advantage is that it's a one-stop-shop to get an analog signal from a digital medium. The disadvantage(s) are that you (generally) can only convert digital signals that are on a supported disc format and (again generally) you're not going to get the same level of DAC that you will from a high-end stand-alone. That said, all of Emotovia's ERC players have had great sonic qualities and the ERC-3 is highly praised. Furthermore, the DAC section on the ERC-3 is similar (same) as the DC-1 pro-gear that they sell (also highly regarded for SQ). I believe what this unit (CD-100) will be missing is the ability to output over XLR connection. Other than that, it may very well be exactly like the ERC-3. So, if this unit is only a transport, then as long as it reads and sends (near) flawless ones and zeros on par with other highly regarded transports and is $300 then it is a bargain (look at the price of good transports!). If it has the SQ of the ERC-3 along with everything that comes with the the ERC-3 at $300 minus just the XLR outputs, then it is a bargain not only to the ERC-3 but to other CD players that cost twice as much as the ERC-3 (3x as much to the CD-100). And the ERC-3 is an extreme bargain compared to some transport/DAC combinations, YMMV. |
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Post by pknaz on Apr 11, 2017 16:43:51 GMT -5
I don't see this as a value add. If they were releasing a Blu-ray player, maybe, but a CD player these days is a commodity item, especially when used with an external dac....its digital....being able to flawlessly read digital media and send a bit perfect, low latency, low jitter stream is a trivial task these days. If it wasn't, Blu-ray players would show issues in video much faster than audible issues would be discernible.
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Post by wrxified on Apr 11, 2017 17:08:24 GMT -5
Agree with pknaz but it sounds like quite a few people disagree. I personally don't have a need for a CD player only.
Need an ERC-3 with full SACD capability.
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Post by teaman on Apr 11, 2017 17:20:56 GMT -5
Personally, I would have preferred a new player introduced with the option to play SACD/DVD Audio but I am extremely happy with the ERC players I have already. I have over 1400 cd's that I have no thought of getting rid of. I work from home and have a system in every room so I literally have a cd in each player waiting to fire up wherever I am.
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Post by pknaz on Apr 11, 2017 17:27:00 GMT -5
Bit perfect CD rips stored on centralized storage that can be played back from any room of the house, controlled from any mobile device, is the way of the future. (in this case, centralized location doesn't need to be in the same building, think Cloud). Having an Audiophile playback device that can accept Apple Lossless streams is at the top of my list...Apple TV works, as do a number of other devices. Convenience and audio quality, I'll have that piece of cake and eat it too!  |
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Post by Gary Cook on Apr 11, 2017 17:52:26 GMT -5
I have a differential reference, fully balanced, discrete system all the way from the CD in the ERC-3 through the XSP-1 to the XPA-1L's and it is the best sounding stereo 2.1 system that I have ever had, which is also dead silent when it should be. I don't see it in the same light as SACD 5.1 which are played on the Oppo 103 through the UMC-200 to the XPA-1L's and the XPA-5 (with the XSP-1 in bypass mode). For stereo 2.1 music there's only the one "conversion" and that happens internally within the ERC-3, the rest of the way is untouched 100% analogue. This is far from the case with SACD 5.1 music where multiple "conversions" happen. There's DSD to PCM in the Oppo, then equalisation plus digital to analogue in the UMC -200.
The comparison is interesting, being differential, reference, fully balanced, discrete removes the old world issues of introduced noise in multi piece analogue systems. Whereas the presence of multiple digital conversions/manipulations still remains an area that many people question as to their effect on the pureness of the sound. As a result I'm entirely happy with having the quality of the ERC-3 to play my 2.1 stereo music without any possibility of contamination.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by creimes on Apr 11, 2017 18:07:20 GMT -5
Bit perfect CD rips stored on centralized storage that can be played back from any room of the house, controlled from any mobile device, is the way of the future. (in this case, centralized location doesn't need to be in the same building, think Cloud). Having an Audiophile playback device that can accept Apple Lossless streams is at the top of my list...Apple TV works, as do a number of other devices. Convenience and audio quality, I'll have that piece of cake and eat it too! This is why I enjoy and use Tidal HiFi on a daily basis |
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Post by garbulky on Apr 11, 2017 18:37:47 GMT -5
My bad. it's an single ended piece. It's not an ERC-3. Not sure why they would use a cover that said differential, but at least Hair Nick confirmed otherwise.
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Post by whitwye on Apr 11, 2017 18:58:20 GMT -5
I'm interested in the BasX cd player. I've been using DVD and Blu Ray players and an X-box to play cds. The ERC is too expensive for what I suspect to be a modest improvement in sound quality (compared to upgrading speakers or an amp). siggie I replaced an Onkyo C-7030 CD player with an ERC-3, mostly because I wanted to see if HDCD decoding would add something to my Dead collection. That Onkyo had a slightly better DAC than my Onkyo TX NR828 AVR. The ERC-3 has a wildly better DAC than the Onkyo AVR -- which I'm still happy with for AVR sound duties. The ERC-3 made CDs sound so much better than my turntable, I then had to acquire a decent phono pre-amp so it could catch up. |
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Post by bluemeanies on Apr 11, 2017 19:11:37 GMT -5
Bit perfect CD rips stored on centralized storage that can be played back from any room of the house, controlled from any mobile device, is the way of the future. (in this case, centralized location doesn't need to be in the same building, think Cloud). Having an Audiophile playback device that can accept Apple Lossless streams is at the top of my list...Apple TV works, as do a number of other devices. Convenience and audio quality, I'll have that piece of cake and eat it too! This is why I enjoy and use Tidal HiFi on a daily basis Exactly😎 |
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